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    Topic:   Your Favorite STAR TREK Score?

     David Maxx
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    To be honest, I have only given the non-Goldsmith ones an Amazon sample. However, just for the time being, out of....

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan (James Horner)
    Star Trek III: The Search For Spock (James Horner)
    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (Leonard Rosenman)
    Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Cliff Eidelman)
    Star Trek: Generations (Dennis McCarthy)
    Star Trek: First Contact (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Star Trek: Insurrection (Jerry Goldsmith)

    I'd have to go with Insurrection. I am very fond of Goldsmith's more recent style than his 1979 ST works. I still am proud to have TMP and FF in my collection. I can't wait to see what Mr. Goldsmith has in store for us with....

    Star Trek: Nemesis!

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    posted 07-08-2002 12:42 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    ST:TMP...easily far and away the best! In fact I like Horner's 2 scores better than any of Goldsmith's post TMP scores

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    posted 07-08-2002 04:09 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Fave TV score is Gerald Fried's AMOK TIME (damn, but the ORIGINAL series just had so many great scores!), afraid the majority of TNG, DS 9 and STV are not much more than wallpaper scores...mostly due to the muzzling effect of Rick Berman!

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    posted 07-08-2002 04:29 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    Star Trek 2. When Hackner still had talent. (Relatively.)

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    posted 07-08-2002 06:06 AM PT (US)     

     Erik Woods
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    IMHO,

    1. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Jerry Goldsmith) - One of the best scores of all time.

    2. Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan (James Horner) - One of Horner's all time best.

    3. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Cliff Eidelman) - The most underrated Star Trek score... I've probably underrated it here

    4. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (Jerry Goldsmith) - The Mountain cue alone is worth picking this score up. The score also features some of Goldsmith's best action writing.

    5. Star Trek: First Contact (Jerry Goldsmith) - Beautiful main theme. If you rate this score based on the commercial album may I suggest finding the session bootleg. The unreleased tracks including "The Launch of the Phoenix" cue will have you appreciating this score more.

    6. Star Trek: Generations (Dennis McCarthy) - Last score to feature an overture... and what an overture. Action cues are fantastic although repetitive. Nice choral work during the quiet moments of the film.

    7. Star Trek III: The Search For Spock (James Horner) - Rehash of Khan... "The Katra Ritual" is the only highlight.

    8. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (Leonard Rosenman) - Just too goofy for me. Nice overture but nothing else interests me about this score.

    9. Star Trek: Insurrection (Jerry Goldsmith) - Just plain bad. The Ba'ku theme is nice but that's about it. This is Goldsmith's rehash of U.S. MARSHAL’S, which is a even worse score then Insurrection. I'm praying Goldsmith makes up for this mess with his score to Nemesis.

    -Erik-

    [Message edited by Erik Woods on 07-08-2002]

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    posted 07-08-2002 07:17 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    The best is of course STTMP, by far. I won't rank the rest, but give comments on them.

    ST2: The Wrath of Khan: I still think Horner captured the TOS feeling better than the others, but I admit I've become tired of the WoK score. There's nothing in it to find anymore - the orchestrations are too thin. Still a fine score though.

    ST3: The Search for Spock: Very good in parts as far as I remember (the overture, for example), though the Katra Ritual sounds like an exaggerated version of ET's finale. The only Trek score I still don't have on CD.

    ST4: The Voyage Home: Very underrated Rosenman score. Goofy but fun in parts (and it fits the movie), with a wonderful main theme.

    ST5: The Final Frontier: I keep forgetting how good it is when I haven't played it for some time. Some outstanding adagio pieces.

    ST6: The Undiscovered Country: Different from the others, very good, too. Lovely main theme, and it has a really good TOS-feeling, too.

    ST: Generations: Underrated. Rosenman-like in parts, fits the movie very well. Nexus music is unpleasently cheesy, which is perfect for the movie but annoying on the CD.

    ST: First Contact: Very very good. Some of the best music is missing from the official album.

    ST: Insurrection: Very underrated. The score is far better than it's presentation on the official album, which contains mostly redundant action music and leaves out everything that makes the score work. There's a lot more great music on the boot, and in that form, the action bits become very good as well. I actually think it might be better than First Contact.


    So what about Nemesis?

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    posted 07-08-2002 08:33 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    So what about Nemesis?

    After reading the script (and you said I wouldn't, right Jeron? ), I think it gives Jerry a lot of different things to work with, and most possibly(?) a kick-*ss "Romulan" theme that will rival his "Klingon" theme from TMP.

    I see dead people.... Wait...

    No, I see a few different thematic areas:

    (And I won't cite any areas of the script, just for those who don't want to know)

    1. The "quiet, tender moments"
    2. Intrigue
    3. Action and Adventure.

    If this is truly the "Last Voyage of a Generation" and they are (attempting to) pulling out all the stops, Maybe this score will rival ST:TMP.

    One can only hope.

    Kevin

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    posted 07-08-2002 08:55 AM PT (US)     

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    the TMP score is so good because they allowed the score to "breathe." There are numerous [lengthy] places where there is almost nothing but music, such as the V'ger flyover.


    NP -- For Roseanna, Trevor Jones

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    posted 07-08-2002 10:20 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Kevin:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    [b]So what about Nemesis?
    <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    After reading the script (and you said I wouldn't, right Jeron? ), I think it gives Jerry a lot of different things to work with, and most possibly(?) a kick-*ss "Romulan" theme that will rival his "Klingon" theme from TMP.

    I see dead people.... Wait...

    No, I see a few different thematic areas:

    (And I won't cite any areas of the script, just for those who don't want to know)

    1. The "quiet, tender moments"
    2. Intrigue
    3. Action and Adventure.

    If this is truly the "Last Voyage of a Generation" and they are (attempting to) pulling out all the stops, Maybe this score will rival ST:TMP.

    One can only hope.

    Kevin[/B]


    Well, this one is being given the full feature film treatment. Most of the other movies never quite filled the screen the way ST:TMP did. I mean, this was an important film to Paramount... their Star Wars, and they threw an A-list director and the equivelent of what I'd guess to be in excess of 100 million dollars by today's standards at the project.

    The biggest musical difference, I think, from ST:TMP and the following movies is that ST:TMP is a far more grand visual film with a true Sci-Fi core rather than the action/character orientation of the subsequent movies. Goldsmith was scoring vistas rather than action set pieces. Even the Klingon battle is more an experience in scale and power than action.

    Nemesis looks like the biggest, and most mainstream Trek since then and it does have a director who is experienced in feature films rather than TV. I do have high hopes for the score. It would be cool if Goldsmith did a grand anthem for the Romulans. And though I like the pastoral themes of First Contact and Insurrection I hope the main title for Nemesis will be way meaner.

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    posted 07-08-2002 10:51 AM PT (US)     

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    This topis has to be divided between the film scores and the TV scores, since I have favorites from both.

    As for the films, I also have to rank TMP at the top since it is a seminal work for the genre and the composer. It works great on every level and works well as just really wonderful music. The next spot would be a tie between STII and STIII. I always loved Horner's more emotional music for STIII and the marvelous cue "Stealing the Enterprise". I hunted for months to find this on LP and it was completely worth once I discovered. As for STII, there is so much great action music, emotionally charged in a different manner, which never fails to get my adrenaline pumping!

    As for the rest, I love Goldsmith's work for STV and Eidelman's STVI next. FC has a marvelous main theme and the cues "The Dish" and "Flight of the Phoenix" are stellar, but the rest isn't as engaging as it should be. INS holds together better as an album, even just on the commercial release, but it can be repetitive in its action sequences. GEN I liked better in '94. It's kinda fallen by the wayside for me, although there are some nice moments McCarthy achieves with his Nexus music and battle cues. Otherwise, it just marks time.

    Oh, and as for STIV, I think it works well in the film but as for the album I can only listen to the End Credits track!

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    posted 07-08-2002 11:17 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JJH:
    the TMP score is so good because they allowed the score to "breathe."

    That, and the organ and Blaster Beam. And what HAL said.

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    posted 07-08-2002 11:21 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm rather divided on this matter...and not just for the fact that this same post appears on "another" board. And this subject always pops up everytime another Star Trek album is released, and that somehow, for some reason, they must be equated to each other. But for the hell of it, here's a "notable 3", in no order of value:

    1. Star Trek: First Contact - I was very surprised with this grand score, even though the opening reminded me of Air Force One immediately...I think it's one of the most pleasing scores--there's a real humanity to the music.

    2. Star Trek III - It's a very interesting soundtrack as Horner had to score the destruction of the Enterprise--which always seemed like this untouchable icon, and here they were destroying it. The action tracks are great, it has a great finale which incorporates the original Courage theme, and everyone seems to hate that pop-cue bonus track, but it's still got value, if just for those "behind-the-scenes" films with that cue playing in the background...

    3. Star Trek V - the reintroduction of Goldsmith's original theme is nice, even though when the film came out, audiences had been hearing it every week, anyway. The Yosemite cues really shine here.

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    posted 07-08-2002 11:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Maybe it's nostalgia as I first saw the movie when I was young, or maybe it's on the first first movies that I really remember noticing the music for but I have to vote "Wrath of Khan". It's, IMHO, the best Trek film and the best score. From the opening of "Battle in Mutara Nebula" to the end of "Genesis Countdown" is some of the most expressive and appropriate film music I've ever heard.
    Close second would be "Insurrection", but Khan is the top of the heap.

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    posted 07-08-2002 02:58 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't have all the Trek score but of the ones I have along with the "Music as heard in film".....

    Star Trek: First Contact
    Star Trek 2
    Star Trek: Insurrection
    Star Trek 5
    Star Trek 4

    I uh don't really remember any other scores.....

    Jz

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    posted 07-09-2002 12:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Undiscovered Country hands down!

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    posted 07-09-2002 01:08 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by John Zimmer:
    I uh don't really remember any other scores.....

    Justin! Get STTMP! Now! Having Raiders won't save you as long as you don't know STTMP.

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    posted 07-10-2002 05:59 AM PT (US)     

     JEC
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    DOOMSDAY MACHINE!!

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    posted 07-10-2002 10:34 AM PT (US)     

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    Wrath of Khan for me...since it brought a new emotional level to Star Trek. The theme for TMP is eternal, but the rest did not do much for me. As far as Goldsmith and Star Trek go I actually prefer Final Frontier, as it pulls in the best parts of TMP and blends excellent new themes and motifs.

    Undiscovered Country has a special place in my heart because of its different, darker style, and the fact that it was my first score purchase!

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    posted 07-10-2002 03:21 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    1. Star Trek: First Contact - I was very surprised with this grand score, even though the opening reminded me of Air Force One immediately...I think it's one of the most pleasing scores--there's a real humanity to the music.

    That's an interesting observation Steve, as AFO came out after First Contact. I remember seeing AFO in theaters and thinking to myself "gosh, this is a great theme, but it has a certain First Contact-edness about it."

    Jeron

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    posted 07-10-2002 06:06 PM PT (US)     

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    First Contact is very like Air Force One...but without the militaristic/patriotic flourishes. Sort of like hearing the "mellow" Enterprise theme in Drydock, as opposed to hearing it as the opening credits.

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    posted 07-10-2002 07:50 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm a sucker for Horner's Trek II. Even though I love Goldsmith's score to TMP, It's my 2nd favorite score/sdtk. Hopefully we will see an expanded sdtk. Thanks.

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