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    Topic:   After a long hiatus...

     Spicy Ramen
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    Ah...What better way to come back to the MovieMusic Board then in the aftermath of one of the craziest storms to hit this island of Guam in years (as of now, there is no water or power running...I'm living off a generator). Few things I wanna know:

    1. Minority Report- Why won't you fools just accept that this was arguably one of the best films that Speilberg has made. Solid script, amazing visuals and John Williams scoring a Film Noir. Classic.

    2. Spider-Man/ AOTC- I enjoyed AOTC a lot more than Spider-Man. Spider-Man seemed a bit underwhelming (No offense to Sam Raimi, interesting visuals though)

    3. Score releases- Sadly I have been unable to pick up any of the newer releases that have come out. A few scores upcoming I will definitely pick (Invinscibles by John Barry, Star Trek: Nemesis by Jerry Goldsmith). Didn't anyone find this years score selection to be a tad bit underwhelming? (No Harry Potter or LOTR my friends...they were released last year )

    4. Hans Zimmer's low key approach- I miss the good ol day's of the bombastic Zimmer. Still don't know what to make of BHD

    5. John Williams retiring- Face it, this legend will continue to write film music until he is firmly in his deathbed.

    6. 2D vs. Cg animation- I don't want CG films to supplant traditional animation plain and simple. Sure CG has brought wonderful movies with insanse box office success (Toy Story 1/2, Ice Age, Monsters Inc, Antz, Bug's Life...wait, isn't that every film???) while traditional animation has been on a decline. Over 60 years of history coming to a close ( please don't let it happen). With the upcoming Treasure Planet I don't recall reading about another hand animated feature coming soon. With the recent success of Lilo and Stitch and Spirit, lets hope the studios continue to support it.


    NP: Frank Sinatra: Live at the Sands

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    posted 07-06-2002 11:33 PM PT (US)     

     Dylan
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    "With the upcoming Treasure Planet I don't recall reading about another hand animated feature coming soon. With the recent success of Lilo and Stitch and Spirit, lets hope the studios continue to support it."

    Hi,

    There is the awful looking Powerpuff Girls and the mediocre Hey Arnold as well. I don't consider the newer cartoon films to fall under the hand animated category though. I know that the original black and white cels are hand drawn, but they color the animations with a computer now, and they also use the computer to sync the voices with the dialog smoother. I don't prefer the way computer-colored cartoons look now over how they used to look when hand colord (the ones we have now, like Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Spirit...it's so smooth, that it just doesn't look right to me), and it seems that it is just a short cut to make these films faster (and it also seems that in doing so, the script is never as good as it could've been if more time were spent on it). I sort of miss the look of traditionally hand colored cel animation. The cartoons we have now I consider to be another area of CGI, though an area that still requires some traditional techniques.

    As far as this medium's future, I wouldn't at all say it is dying. Now, stop-motion animation is dying, and about 96% dead as far as it's use in mainstream films go. I'd call Lilo and Stitch a financial success; it has a large popularity with kids now and it's making a lot of money. People say the Hey Arnold movie bombed, but considering it cost only 3 million dollars to make and it made 6 million opening weekend, I'd say that they're making plenty of money back. So, this medium of cartoon is alive...nothing to worry about for it's fans.

    And I'm sorry about your unfortunate situation; I hope you pull out of it.

    Dylan

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    posted 07-07-2002 12:58 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    1. Minority Report- Why won't you fools just accept that this was arguably one of the best films that Speilberg has made. Solid script, amazing visuals and John Williams scoring a Film Noir. Classic.

    Because it should have ended 40 minutes earlier. It was one of the better movies I've seen in theatres in a very long time. It had just about the right amounts of wit, action, interesting plot turns, new ideas and visuals, mildly interesting dialogues... and the humourous elements were much funnier than the idiotic Bruckheimer sense of humour. (Which idiotic sense of humour I used to love 6 years ago...)


    >>>>SPOILER BELOW<<<<

    BUT: Spielberg screwed up the movie by adding a crummy second ending in which all the possible genre cliches followed one after the other in an endless and frustrating parade.
    The moment the older dude killed the investigative inspector (Danny Boy), the movie dropped down to pure predictable stupidity, and followed this until the end credits. It's a bitter aftertaste...

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    posted 07-07-2002 02:32 PM PT (US)     

     Spicy Ramen
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    Dylan: Yeah I agree, I too prefer the traditional hand drawn animation with slight cg touchups (Anastasia and Beauty and the Beast both of whom I consider to be the best animated) to the current crop of animations (Atlantis and Titan AE). Sad to say that without another breakout movie ( a la Lion King) with a huge box office success, stuidos are forced to close down there departments. Fox Animation closed down right after the Titan AE flopped and they turned to CG houses for Ice Age. Disney and Dreamworks are about the only studios with a strong animation department.

    *sigh* I really hoped that one day we could have seen Fox, Dreamworks, Disney, Universal and Columbia duke it out with their Animated releases. Then the Best Animated Feature for the Oscars would be really interesting.


    Dinko: Speilberg said that he wanted to make this movie more of a popcorn film. I didn't find the ending to be insulting to the viewers. I think that if the film did end the way that you wanted, then you eliminate most of the suspense from the movie. It was interesting to see what Anderton would do in that very moment to alter the course.

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    posted 07-07-2002 08:43 PM PT (US)     

     Kimiakane
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    Despite the success of cg animated films, too many people actually love their cartoons! 2D will never be replaced as too many fans from all walks of life consider it an artform they want to see thrive.

    And then there's anime...which continues to become bigger all the time in the western world! 2D forever!!!

    NP: WALT DISNEY'S BAMBI

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    posted 07-07-2002 09:03 PM PT (US)     

     jeffy
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Spicy Ramen:
    Minority Report- Why won't you fools just accept that this was arguably one of the best films that Speilberg has made. Solid script, amazing visuals and John Williams scoring a Film Noir. Classic.

    I knew it after the first 20 minutes. The ending needed to happen. Lots of loose ends to tie up.

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    posted 07-08-2002 08:43 AM PT (US)     
     

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