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Philipp Goldmember	I was wondering wether our idols are reading our comments or not...? Best Philipp
posted 06-27-2002 06:51 AM PT (US)

Marc Flake Goldmember	I'm going to pull a dgoldwas and mention that this topic was asked about two years ago. Even so, it's appropriate to bring it up again without trolling through the archives to find it. As I recall, there was one, unnamed film music composer who was supposed to be frequenting several of the film music boards under an assumed name. It was also noted that it was possible that a few lurked, but didn't participate. [Message edited by Marc Flake on 06-27-2002]
posted 06-27-2002 07:01 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother searching for it. I know that record company folks check out these boards, and a few composers I know of do too. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were scared off, as well. Dan
posted 06-27-2002 07:14 AM PT (US)

Tom_B_Stone Goldmember	John Morgan, the composer, arranger, orchestrator, and re-constructor, posts here. I think he is tied with Danny Elfman and William Stromberg for the most isolated scores on DVD (3).
posted 06-27-2002 07:32 AM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: But I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were scared off, as well. Well, looking at the people here, who wouldn't be scared? We just have to educate them as to who the "good" people are. But on a serious side, if these people do read what we say in here, do they really listen, or are we shunted aside as "illiterate loser fans." I've talked to several authors who frequent the newsgroups (Usenet) about them, and they realize that 95% of the people are weirdos, but they do read and (mostly) appreciate the serious postings. They learn to know who to pay attention to, and who to ignore. Kevin
posted 06-27-2002 08:09 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Goldmember	God I hope not. If they do I sure hope they have a sense of humor and don't take things to seriously.
posted 06-27-2002 08:19 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Tom_B_Stone: I think he is tied with Danny Elfman and William Stromberg for the most isolated scores on DVD (3). Actually, Goldsmith and Horner have at least six isolated scores, and Elfman has at least seven of 'em. Sorry, but John Morgan isn't at the top there. Dan
posted 06-27-2002 08:21 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: If they do I sure hope they have a sense of humor and don't take things to seriously. Well, believe me when I say what people post here DOES matter to some people..... Dan
posted 06-27-2002 08:22 AM PT (US)

Tom_B_Stone Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Actually, Goldsmith and Horner have at least six isolated scores, and Elfman has at least seven of 'em. Sorry, but John Morgan isn't at the top there. Dan You're right about the numbers. Guess I was fixating on the ones I had. Back to filmmusic.com resources for further research.
posted 06-27-2002 09:52 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Goldmember	God I hope they don't. I know for a fact that John Scott found these "opinions" from the internet very upsetting. And this was several years ago. I can imagine working so hard for so little recoginition and turning out fabulous work only to have someone of no consequence tell you that what you create is "pedestrian" should be something you should ignore. But it still would upset me. I even remember telling Christopher Young once to NOT read what was on the internet because it just isn't worth it. No wonder Jerry Goldsmith has little use for his "fans" with the attitudes that are "anonymously" presented on the net. James Carrocino
posted 06-27-2002 10:28 AM PT (US)

John Morgan Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Tom_B_Stone: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by dgoldwas: [b] Actually, Goldsmith and Horner have at least six isolated scores, and Elfman has at least seven of 'em. Sorry, but John Morgan isn't at the top there. Dan<HR size=1></blockquote> You're right about the numbers. Guess I was fixating on the ones I had. Back to filmmusic.com resources for further research.[/B] I'm crushed!
posted 06-27-2002 03:31 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	And with that, Dan has scared away the last composer.
posted 06-27-2002 03:46 PM PT (US)

joan hue Goldmember	I think some composers do read the boards, more than we realize. Tan Dun responded to comments on his score at FSM. I've heard that Jeff Beal also commented. I received some very nice e mails from a leading composer's assistant. She thanked me for my Internet comments and mentioned she'd forwarded them to him. NP Henry V
posted 06-27-2002 04:22 PM PT (US)

jeffy Goldmember	I heard that Marc Shaiman used to read these boards religiously. Or maybe he had an assistant read them.
posted 06-27-2002 04:27 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: And with that, Dan has scared away the last composer. lol do I get a prize? Seriously, though, my pointing out FACTS shouldn't scare anyone away, Peter. If John is truly "crushed" about his lack of isolated scores out on the market... then he should do more about it! Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 06-27-2002]
posted 06-27-2002 04:37 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I am thinkin' you'd be just fine if you scared everyone away. Life is not a box of facts... it's more like cholocat. yes, cholocat.
posted 06-27-2002 04:53 PM PT (US)

Beatty Goldmember	Aiee! for�t du gompe!
posted 06-27-2002 05:14 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	Actualy, i know of 2 composers who frequent the boards. So far they have had no complaints, so why should any company? And if any composer i don't know is reading this, hey there! Nice to have you aboard. You should give us the skinny on your works and talk to use, after all- it is you and your kind we are praising. There are 3 major boards to attest to that.
posted 06-27-2002 05:19 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	I counted 12 isolated scores for Goldsmith. More than any other composer- at least to my knowledge.
posted 06-27-2002 05:21 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: *I am thinkin' you'd be just fine if you scared everyone* away.** Wow Peter, you really don't know me at all... Dan
posted 06-27-2002 06:24 PM PT (US)

TomD Minimember	quote: Originally posted by justin boggan: I counted 12 isolated scores for Goldsmith. More than any other composer- at least to my knowledge. O.K., clue me in, please. Patton, Rudy, Hollow Man, L.A. Confidential, The Mummy, Alien & what else?
posted 06-27-2002 06:42 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	DVD isolated: Blue Max Papillion Patton Rudy Powder Alien L.A. Confidential Holo Man Laserdisc isolated: Star Trek: The Motion Picture The Omen The Boys From Brazil The Satan Bug (iso mixed with FX.)
posted 06-28-2002 05:51 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by justin boggan: DVD isolated: Blue Max Laserdisc isolated: Star Trek: The Motion Picture Are you sure???? I have TMP Laserdisc and I don't remember any isolated score. Now the Patton Laserdisc has an isolated score.
posted 06-28-2002 06:30 AM PT (US)

Tom_B_Stone Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by justin boggan: DVD isolated: Blue Max Papillion Patton Rudy Powder Alien L.A. Confidential Holo Man Laserdisc isolated: Star Trek: The Motion Picture The Omen The Boys From Brazil The Satan Bug (iso mixed with FX.) I'd include The Mummy, even though it is an odd feature (and out of print). Blue Max - nobody lists it - out of print? The score was butchered anyway -- I would not have bought it. Powder & Papillon - isolated score is not a listed feature on retailer descriptions. That does not mean they aren't there. Will check out Papillon, for sure. Including laserdiscs is a trick I would pull! Star Trek Uno - NO WAY! The Omen - one of my favorites, since the score is presented in tact, before it was snipped to pieces. Boys From Brazil - did not know about that one. The Satan Bug - music & effects track. It's very listenable, except the last reel is totally distorted. Patton - score included on deluxe laserdisc
posted 06-28-2002 07:33 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Goldmember	Tom, I have the Boys From Brazil laser with iso score(that many folks here have since ripped). It's all in mono, and some cues have HEAVY dropouts, especially the Frau Doring sequence. However, it's great to have the opening martial cue on its own! Bring on that expanded reissue Varese, I'll be first in line! Sean
posted 06-28-2002 08:18 AM PT (US)

Pete M Goldmember	Isn't the Papillon iso only on the UK version? NP Chicken Run
posted 06-28-2002 09:17 AM PT (US)

Tom_B_Stone Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by OHMSS76: Tom, I have the Boys From Brazil laser with iso score(that many folks here have since ripped). It's all in mono, and some cues have HEAVY dropouts, especially the Frau Doring sequence. However, it's great to have the opening martial cue on its own! Bring on that expanded reissue Varese, I'll be first in line! Sean I call those tracks whose volume bounces up and down "music dubbing tracks," but I doubt that is the correct term. The volume level has been adjusted for dialog placement. The ones from 50's films can be really heavy-handed: Bernstein's Desire Under the Elms, for instance. The transitions are so jarring, I can't stand to listen to the music track. I'll be recalling those laserdisc extras all day, now. 2 more for Goldsmith: Chinatown and Islands in the Stream. Chinatown gets dialed down low, while Islands In the Stream comes through really well, no cuts or surges.
posted 06-28-2002 09:30 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Goldmember	Chinatown is a really bad sounding one, that's true Tom....nice to flip to that analog channel when certain cues come up though Especially welcome to have isolated is that hard edged little bit for piano,scraper and that 'crying' trumpet when Jake is taken to Chinatown at the end. The one I wish I had found on LD is OBSESSION w/iso score. I always wanted to hear this with the film, isolated. A funny side note on iso scores on LD....Donaggio's THE HOWLING is a fun one to listen/watch...there is some interesting music editing in the final cues however...if you listen, they actually took two cues in a couple spots and played them simultaneously! Ex. during the final getaway, 'Shapeshifters'(the proper cue for this scene) plays at the same time with the 'Transformation' cue from another scene! Never noticed it in the film itself, but on the isolated track it's a riot! Best, Sean
posted 06-28-2002 09:48 AM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	I never knew "Blue Max" was available on DVD.
posted 06-28-2002 10:06 AM PT (US)

BMikeJ Goldmember	And what a nightmare to edit... A friend did a transfer of the iso score from The Howling laserdisc and I remember there being around 40 little cues, maybe more. I actually got it down to listenable half hour, combining a bunch of cues. What a nightmare... Fortunately, the music makes up for the trouble.
posted 06-28-2002 10:09 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Goldmember	Exactly Mike! I have a straight LP transfer of this, and an expanded from LD copy...both are valid, and the Varese lp really captured the great majority of the score. Too bad the iso of this, The Fog and Scanners didn't make the jump from LD to DVD See ya in a week and a half!!!! Sean
posted 06-28-2002 10:51 AM PT (US)

Tom_B_Stone Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by OHMSS76: The one I wish I had found on LD is OBSESSION w/iso score. I always wanted to hear this with the film,isolated. Man, that's too weird for me! Seriously, that's one of the useful things about an isolated score, when it is synced to the movie. Not all of them are. I have only transferred a couple of scores for audio listening. Since I usually have a CD anyway, I'd rather see how it works with the picture. I enjoy The Omen far more without the dialog, plus you can see how all those themes and motifs were supposed to work. Kevin commented: > I never knew "Blue Max" was available on DVD. I questioned that too. Can anybody confirm it?
posted 06-28-2002 12:00 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by OHMSS76: See ya in a week and a half!!!! Sean
posted 06-28-2002 12:09 PM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Goldmember	Actually, I must have worded that funny, since I was in a hurry typing....I meant, I would like to have the Obsession LD Pioneer Spec. Ed. with isolated score, since I love watching these films with just the music(especially Obsess. since there is over 70mins. of some of Herrmann's best music to hear!). Chinatown has way too much dead space to sit there and listen to the tracks, sans dialogue and sound efx. Two more that came to mind are 7th Voyage of Sinbad(ok sounding mono tracks, but again, 70mins. of primo Benny) and Golden Voyage of Sinbad by Rozsa(see above ) Sorry to have hijacked this thread, along with the rest o' the whitecoats! Sean
posted 06-28-2002 01:15 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by OHMSS76: Two more that came to mind are 7th Voyage of Sinbad(ok sounding mono tracks, but again, 70mins. of primo Benny) and Golden Voyage of Sinbad by Rozsa(see above ) It's a shame that when they remastered the Score for the 7th Voyage of Sinbad in stereo for the release of the Ray Harryhausen Sinbad Collection on Laserdisc they didn't isolate it. But then the box set says The Golden Voyage of Sinbad has seperate Audio Channels for the score and it sure doesn't work on my set.
posted 06-28-2002 01:46 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	YEs, ST: TMP is isolated. I have run across people who have it. Lost their e-mails though. And i may get a few mismatched. I'm sure there are more laserdisc isolated scores for Goldsmith, but what about others? It's hard to find a list. I know of Something Wicked This Way Comes by Horner.
posted 06-28-2002 03:14 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Goldmember	No, Justin. ST:TMP is NOT isolated on the laserdisc. I own it and it is NOT isolated. Also, there is NO DVD of The Blue Max.
posted 06-28-2002 06:54 PM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by BMikeJ: Also, there is NO DVD of The Blue Max. I didn't think so. Justin must be funnin' with us. I'd know if Blue Max was out. Kev
posted 06-28-2002 07:20 PM PT (US)

Maestro Sartori Goldmember	Amazing how this thread started out talking about whether or not composers read our threads, then briefly moved to a debate on who in here might have scared them away if they ever did read these, to how many isolated scores Goldsmith and others have had released on DVD and Laserdisc. I love stream of consciousness threads! Hey.....that gives me an idea..... J.C.
posted 06-28-2002 07:57 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Goldmember	Yeah, and for the 150th time, there is NO isolated score on the region 1 DVD for Powder. Shaun
posted 06-29-2002 06:18 AM PT (US)

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