And if it doesn't meet those standards, I'll buy it anyway.

It's Goldsmith.

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Los Angeles.

Later this year.

I hope Mr. Townson pays out for this one... surely he realizes how hot a commodity Star Trek is and how many discs he'd be able to sell if he puts out a good, lengthy, solid album. I have faith that he will. He's a good guy and knows what both Goldsmith fans, Star Trek fans, and film music fans in general will expect from this one.

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And yes, let's wait and see how much music is on the CD before singing its praises.

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Los Angeles.

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Will you be there?

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Will you be there?

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Yes, I will be in Los Angeles later this year.

It's a shame it's taken 10 films to finally get to the Romulans.

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Shaun, based on what I've seen of the trailer and read of the script so far this one may just be the first "even numbered" Trek to be just as crappy.

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Well, having read the script, and acclimated to the flaws therein, and seeing the teaser, I'm actually pretty excited for this film. Because even if it's bad, it will still be FUN, and certainly more enjoyable than INSURRECTION.

This is one reason why I applaud TMP, since it is the one Trek film to take some chances storywise, although VOYAGE HOME also took a new path by having no villian (just a menacing probe from the V'ger School of How to Threaten Earth).

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I'm "bravo"-ing them because it's a nice gesture on their part, not because I like the product.

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Originally posted by TV's Frank:
The films play it safe by (over)using stock villians such as the Klingons or just having a standard "bad guy threatens Earth" type plot.

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Hey! Did you read the Nemesis script or something?

Whenever TREK tries too hard to preach, that's when I get bored with it. Like, STAR TREK V, INSURRECTION, and yes, even THE MOTION PICTURE. I go to these movies to be entertained, nothing more. And in the case of NEMESIS, it looks like a nice piece of entertainment.

The fact remains that "Nemesis" is ill-conceived, poorly written, with a joyless and derivative plot. It doesn't "boldly go" anywhere. In the hands of the current producers, Star Trek has become nothing more than a vehicle for special-effects extravaganzas and fan-service. I'm sure the majority of indiscriminate people looking for a few hours diversion will lap it up.

But to argue that its only purpose is to entertain is to miss the point. Entertainment may be the "prime directive" of Trek ... it does need to attain a certain level of media success, after all. But the joy of Star Trek, what made it unique as an entertainment phenomenon, was that beneath all the glitz and and spangles (which were a lot of fun, no one's denying it!) was a surprisingly sophisticated, intellectual, heartfelt and very Human core. Even when it was being goofy and campy, that Human element used to shine through. Now even the camp has become commercial, drained of its spirit. Everything that made Trek great, everything that set it apart, has been smothered underneath a blanket of "entertainment." "The Fans love it," Berman says, and that that's how he knows he's doing his job.

And also, I happen to think that Berman has shot Trek down the toilet. Like Wedge said..

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I think when Berman and Co. got their money-grubbing mitts on the franchise, they blew off the honor and integrity of the concept. No matter that they keep the franchise going, nothing is going to beat TNG and (most of) DS9.

I will remain cautiously optomistic about the movie (didn't I say that about "Enterprise?" ), and will have to see when December comes around.

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my main problem is if you are going to kill Data then damnit do it, don't bring in another damn android that is an earlier version of Data so you can continue his existence. Have the guts to kill off a major charcter and stick with it.

Warf and Riker seemingly have nothing to do in this film. Riker is just in it to avenge his wife's mental rape.

The dialogue for Picard really pushes him away from the intelligent to the gung ho non-thinking type.

Must the Enterprise be destroyed or damn near destroyed each time out? Thank god currency isn't an issue cause Starfleet would be mighty pissed with the expense report for that ship.

Data's death scene, wow how tuching and lame. Obviously they forgot about The Wrath of Khan and how to do a death scene since. Kirk's death was lame and now Data's.

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TO THE FINAL FRONTIER AND BEYOND!

Date: 7/1/2002

THIS DECEMBER

A GENERATION’S FINAL JOURNEY

BEGINS!

The Federation is about to encounter its greatest challenge – The Romulans want peace.

Conceived in the regal senate halls of Romulus and forged in the dilithium mines of Remus comes a nemesis bent on destroying Picard and the Federation … exactly in that order.

Ordered by the Starfleet to be the first line of diplomacy in ushering in a new era for the Federation, the crew of the USS Enterprise-E is dispatched to Romulus for an unexpected peace mission. Once in the shadow of the Romulan Empire, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the Enterprise crew are thrust into the center of a plot that could lead to the destruction of the Earth at the hand of new and chilling nemesis.

Paramount Pictures’ Star Trek: Nemesis, directed by Stuart Baird, and being scored by Jerry Goldsmith, will open on December 13.

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And no matter what kind of phenomenon you think Star Trek may be...it still is just a movie, and a science fiction one at that. Give it a break.

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Science fiction is just as legitimate as any other genre.

I've read the script, too. And while I'm sure it'll have some fun and rousing action sequences, I'm also dreading that that's all it'll be. My biggest problem here is that aside from the names of the characters there's nothing in this film that makes it Star Trek. (And when I say their names I mean just their names; many of them seem to be acting completely out of character.) It's about as standard and routine as action movies can possibly get. You've got big battles, gratuitous sex, a villain with multiple and sometimes contradictory motivations... and not contradictory in that he's conflicted, contradictory in that some of his motivations make no sense when put against others.

Believe me, there are very few cases where I want to like a film more than I want to like this one, and I'm hoping against all odds that some major changes have been made since the draft I read. Changes to dialogue, if nothing else. When an actor opens his/her mouth, I want what they say to sound like something they would say.

And I know exactly how cranky and nit-picky I'm being, so you don't have to remind me. It doesn't matter anyway. I'll keep watching Star Trek no matter how bad I think it is. Lots of fans will. Paramount knows it too; that's why they're in no hurry to make any changes in management.

STAR TREK: NEMESIS
Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

Music Composed by Jerry Goldsmith

THIS DECEMBER

A GENERATION’S FINAL JOURNEY

BEGINS!

The most anticipated STAR TREK film in years! Advance word on NEMESIS has STAR TREK fans around the world ecstatic about the latest voyage of the Starship Enterprise. The Federation is about to encounter its greatest challenge — The Romulans want peace.

Conceived in the regal senate halls of Romulus and forged in the dilithium mines of Remus comes a nemesis bent on destroying Picard and the Federation … in exactly that order.

Ordered by the Starfleet to be the first line of diplomacy in ushering in a new era for the Federation, the crew of the USS Enterprise-E is dispatched to Romulus for an unexpected peace mission. Once in the shadow of the Romulan Empire, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the Enterprise crew are thrust into the center of a plot that could lead to the destruction of the Earth at the hands of a new and chilling nemesis.

When it comes to STAR TREK music, Jerry Goldsmith rules the galaxy. The epic tale of NEMESIS has inspired what may be Goldsmith’s greatest STAR TREK score since his best-selling STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE. The score for NEMESIS is as epic as anything the legendary composer has ever written. Even the musicians themselves gave Goldsmith repeated ovations during the recording sessions and a triumphant round of applause on completion. This is unquestionably the most aggressive STAR TREK score ever. Ingeniously dark textures are mixed with action music that soars to apocalyptic heights. Classic Goldsmith!

STAR TREK: NEMESIS opens nationwide on December 13.

I'm SO there!!