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edgen Minimember	Stoopid Horner.. doesn't he know how to use something besides his silly snare drums? And the same frickin' 4-5 notes thats in all his scores? Does originality come to play? Not to mention the movie itself sucked b*lls. Maybe I got spoiled with We Were Soldiers Do these producers not know how to pick someone with a little more diversity? my two.5 cents worth. -j
posted 06-14-2002 10:57 PM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Goldmember	Countless debates about the above subject in this site-never reach a conclusion. Better drop it before it starts all over again.. k NP: The Spitfire Grill (Horner)**/***-(for the people who once said that i only like Goldenthal or Goldsmith.)
posted 06-15-2002 12:38 AM PT (US)

Christopher Goldmember	Snare drums in a military film? What an idiot, Horner is.
posted 06-15-2002 07:23 AM PT (US)

edgen Minimember	If you've seen and heard horner's films.. you'll know exactly what I mean by the military snares. Someone who's done that many movies surely has a more extensive library and would have a wide range of snares. Or if it's recorded live.... **** , move the microphone to the other side of the drum set. Not to mention... I heard Willow again. :\ but.. to say one good thing.. I did like Braveheart. That's about it. Tit-tanic was OK too. I agree.. it'll be a heated discussion, but again, that's my opinion -j
posted 06-15-2002 09:48 AM PT (US)

Christopher Goldmember	The heat went out of this sort of discussion yonks ago. Anyway, if anyone is still shocked that Horner consistently delivers "his" sound (snares and 4-note motif included), that's on them. It should surprise no one that Horner delivers Hornerisms left and right...that Elman delivers his brand of music...Zimmer his...Williams his...and all that entails. These guys are well-established in their unique styles/sounds and it might be a good idea to not expect them to abandon those sounds...no matter how many times they are used and re-used. Only on rare occasion does one of the a-list boys truly surprise me by composing against type. Surprise? No. Disappoint? Yeh...maybe they do that, but that's because we're expecting them to NOT do what they have done for so long. Of course we want something different, but as we know, they aren't thinking about film music fans when they sit down and write. Expect the big-boys to do what they always do...and be happily surprised when they mix it up a little...case in point - MINORITY REPORT.
posted 06-15-2002 01:22 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Goldmember	I'll say again that I'm amazed Horner is continuing to get work. The movie makers who hire him must not give a crap what their music sounds like. Why don't they just track in old stuff?
posted 06-15-2002 01:36 PM PT (US)

edgen Minimember	Maybe the movie itself just blew... And that sparked my dislike in the score. NOthing seemed to fit in the movie. Once again, half of it was in slowmotion, millions of bullets, all the bad guys died, heros stand up in a gun fight, Slator does some retarded tuck, roll, and shoots, Kerosene potholes everywhere, horrible dialog, lame ass love story... what else? Again, I guess that's what makes horner stand apart from the rest. Lets take clips from his past movies and subliminally put them in the next. I just think it could have been better that's all. -j
posted 06-15-2002 02:01 PM PT (US)

Hasta Goldmember	jonathan_little, because while you find him to be awful, I find him to be a great dramatist (now as well as 15 years ago). He might not be pulling out the freshest material (as we all know), but most composers only wish they could heighten a picture the way good ol' Jimmy does. Of course, it all comes down to personal preference.
posted 06-15-2002 02:18 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Hasta: jonathan_little, because while you find him to be awful, I find him to be a great dramatist (now as well as 15 years ago). He might not be pulling out the freshest material (as we all know), but most composers only wish they could heighten a picture the way good ol' Jimmy does. Of course, it all comes down to personal preference. Cheers to that! My personal Horner Favorites are Enemy At The Gates, The Perfect Storm and Braveheart. But I enjoy all of his music.... mostly. Clayton
posted 06-15-2002 04:34 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Goldmember	Hasta, my only problem is that (in my opinion) many good composers have been banished to scoring TV while Horner continues to push out the same one score over and over again. I'll admit that the music does work fine in any one film, but when I keep hearing this same "dramatic" stuff over and over, I tire of it. After Enemy at the Gates, I've gotten to the point where I am leary of watching any film scored by James Horner. Horner fans, don't take this personally... this is just how I feel.
posted 06-15-2002 05:18 PM PT (US)

edgen Minimember	ha!! I really hope Horner watches these threads!! he'll never be the same ! -j
posted 06-15-2002 05:20 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Goldmember	The Perfect Storm was so ridiculously overscored it's not even funny. Shaun
posted 06-15-2002 09:54 PM PT (US)

sean Goldmember	Horner's action music sucks! It was totally inappropriate for the film, and that main theme he had got really annoying since it was so clumsy and sounded like The Perfect Storm. His action music made all the war sequences cheesy like an espisode of "Combat!" or something from the 50s. Personally, I think the only music in the film should have been Christian Slater's harmonica and Roger Willie's flute. I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but prior to September 11 there was only one editor attached to the film, and after it was postponed because of Sept. 11, two new editors megically appeared in the credits. My guess is that the film was an anti-war film and then MGM decided to re-cut John Woo's final cut to match the dumb patriotic pro-war spirit the US then adopted. Regardless, even if a John Woo movie sucks, at least the action makes sense, and it was very evident that someone else had re-cut most of the material.
posted 06-16-2002 09:53 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I can't wait twenty years from now to read the definitive John Woo biography to learn what happened to this movie. The movie has a good idea.... but it was completely missed. I won't be paying much attention to the score, either. There's so much else to be listening to from days of yore.
posted 06-16-2002 10:59 AM PT (US)

Hasta Goldmember	Shaun, blame that on Peterson. I actually watched the DVD again a few days ago, and hadn't seen the film since its initial release at theatres. Still don't understand why it was taken from behind with critics upon it's release -- there are some melodramatic moments that are pretty unbearable (mostly the kid and Lane), but the action is all admirable. After I saw the movie I actually said to my friend "Jesus there's just wall to wall music." Yeah, you're right, the film is totally overscored, but I don't think that was Horner's problem. He simply provided material for nearly every scene, many of which I felt would have worked a lot better with no music at all. But the whole film had that epic, melodramatic tragedy feel to it, so I guess they felt that was their only option. Anyway, hard to blame Horner for that. I'll see Windtalkers eventually, maybe. Not too pumped to see Woo do WWII, and Horner's score is BLAH heaven on CD.
posted 06-16-2002 01:51 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by edgen: I really hope Horner watches these threads!! he'll never be the same ! Nah - he'll just curl up in bed with his wads of cash from TITANIC, and he'll feel a LOT better. Dan
posted 06-16-2002 03:22 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by sean: My guess is that the film was an anti-war film and then MGM decided to re-cut John Woo's final cut to match the dumb patriotic pro-war spirit the US then adopted. Yeah, we're just dumb Americans. How stupid of us to be "pro-war" after being attacked.
posted 06-16-2002 03:42 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by sean: it was very evident that someone else had re-cut most of the material. Well, they did some reshoots for the film in the fall, but the film was finished and locked by October. (it was gonna come out in November, remember?) My understanding is that it wasn't "re-cut" or anything like that... Dan
posted 06-16-2002 03:54 PM PT (US)

sean Goldmember	Yeah, Jonathan Little, it's a pretty stupid mentality. I don't know you, but if you think war solves problems go see if your brain is recieving enough oxygen. It could have been re-cut, Dan, who knows. It's not the first time a Hollywood studio has messed around with John Woo, remember Hard Target? [Message edited by sean on 06-16-2002]
posted 06-16-2002 05:07 PM PT (US)

edgen Minimember	Woo = Slow motion. Woo = Thousands of bullets Woo = Good guy always dodges those bullets. Woo = Good guy kills hundreds of bad guys. Why would someone want to mess with that? bah.. If they did indeed, "re-cut" the film... bad mistake. I'm sure it would have sucked anyway. -j
posted 06-16-2002 05:28 PM PT (US)

sean Goldmember	Hey Edgen, you have your music posted at mp3.com, correct? Under EdgenAnimations? If so, I'd just like to say that I've been very impressed with your material. lol, why does everyone keep putting re-cut in quotations? NP: Moby / 18 ***/***
posted 06-16-2002 07:02 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Goldmember	How is it a stupid mentality when Osama and friends want me, my family, and the rest of my nation dead?
posted 06-16-2002 09:00 PM PT (US)

sean Goldmember	"You're either with us or against us" What a bunch of garbage! I bet you didn't know a bloody thing about Afgahnistan or the Taliban prior to September 11. It's astonishing who can run the White House, having a monkey like Bush (who, prior to his "presidency," had never been outside of the US) running the most powerful country on Earth with such a facist and racist mindset; his new racial stereotyping of people from countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is insane, now those people must have their picture taken and fingerprints recorded upon arriving on US-soil. Remember, the US economy depends on foriegners entering the country and spending money: last year 40,000,000 people from other countries entered the US. Jonathan Little, the Bush adminstration's scare tactics have worked very easily on you, it's evident, so is your lack of knowledge on the issue. In the end, the Bush administration doesn't give a damn about you or your family, Jonathan.
posted 06-16-2002 09:21 PM PT (US)

edgen Minimember	Horner, Windtalkers, Woo, suckin'... member? and ya, EdgenAnimations is me. -j
posted 06-16-2002 09:34 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Sean, Mr. Little, head to the Junkyard if you are so inclined. Or.... continue and watch my scissor kicks.
posted 06-16-2002 10:10 PM PT (US)

sean Goldmember	Good idea, Peter. NP: Lord of the Rings - Howard Shore ***/***
posted 06-17-2002 06:28 AM PT (US)

Camillu Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by edgen: Woo = Slow motion. Woo = Thousands of bullets Woo = Good guy always dodges those bullets. Woo = Good guy kills hundreds of bad guys. Are there any doves in this one?
posted 06-17-2002 08:51 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: Are there any doves in this one? No, but there is a slow-motion shot of seagulls flying.... but it's not out of place, given the nature of the scene. Dan
posted 06-17-2002 08:58 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Goldmember	quote: Woo = Slow motion. Woo = Thousands of bullets Woo = Good guy always dodges those bullets. Woo = Good guy kills hundreds of bad guys. If that's all you think John Woo's films are, that's not the only thing that "sucks" around here.
posted 06-19-2002 02:22 PM PT (US)

edgen Minimember	What do you mean by that? I still think it sucks. And will probably always think that John Woo's films will suck. Pleasing americans with action and nonstop bullets and corny love stories... ya.. sucks. -j
posted 06-19-2002 03:28 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Goldmember	Why argue with solid opinions like that? Well--you did say "probably". You lose that one.
posted 06-19-2002 04:36 PM PT (US)

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