I would nominate Attack of the Clones, Spiderman (even though the score has not been released yet), The Time Machine, Black Hawk Down, and Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron.

And the winner is............???
I'm just interested in what you think.

Ace

Then again, TPM was snubbed despite having DOTF.

Attack of the Clones, Spider-Man, The Count of Monte Cristo, Unfaithful, The Time Machine and if I could nominate Unearthed by E.S. Posthumus, I would. It deserves some sort of recognition.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Interesting timing. Personally, I'd wait until the year is OVER (like the Academy Awards do) to make some sort of guess. I mean.. think about the great scores we should have coming out over the next 7 months.....

Dan

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Actually, I created this thread to find out what scores people enjoyed this year, so far. I agree that this should be asked again at the end of the year, but by then, I'm sure only a few of the year's early scores would be mentioned.

btw dan, what's your favorite scores of the year, so far?

But, alas, this score will not be elegible for an Oscar, as it is "diminished by the predominant use of songs" -- paraphrased from the Academy rules.

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Originally posted by jeffy:
This is what happened to South Park, and especially, Tarzan in 1999.

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Actually, SOUTH PARK and TARZAN weren't screwed because of that (new) rule.... they were screwed because they dropped the Musical/Comedy score category that year (citing a lack of entries), and then deemed those two scores "ineligible" for the Best Dramatic Score category, because they had already been submitted to the Musical/Comedy category.

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Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
There's people who already like The Two Towers no matter what you tell them. :P

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I'm NOT! Yes, I'm a real Shore's fan but I always seriously consider every work Shore writes. And, of course, I suppose TTT should be one of the 2002's best!

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
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[b]This is what happened to South Park, and especially, Tarzan in 1999.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, SOUTH PARK and TARZAN weren't screwed because of that (new) rule.... they were screwed because they dropped the Musical/Comedy score category that year (citing a lack of entries), and then deemed those two scores "ineligible" for the Best Dramatic Score category, because they had already been submitted to the Musical/Comedy category.

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THE SUM OF ALL FEARS Jerry Goldsmith

Best Original Song:

IF WE COULD REMEMBER (from THE SUM OF ALL FEARS) Jerry Goldsmith& Paul Williams

That's just premature, wishful thinking on my part. Then again, who knows; both song and score are said to be outstanding and some of the very best music to come from the Goldsmith pen!

Dean.

Ace

Ace

AOTC
Count of Monte Cristo
Spirit

I like Spiderman and a couple others, but don't consider them Oscar material at this point.

To put a spin on this thread...what upcoming scores of 2002 would you guess to be Oscar-worthy?

The Two Towers (obviously)
Signs (depending on how well the film is received)
Road to Perdition (probably another quirky score by Thomas Newman...again depends on how well the film is received)

Black Hawk Down was released in 2001. Zimmer will definitely not get nominated for this one.

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Originally posted by Kris:
Ace:

Black Hawk Down was released in 2001. Zimmer will definitely not get nominated for this one.

[Message edited by Kris on 05-23-2002]

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I know, but since the CD was released in mid-January, I figured I'd throw it in. I know that the academy only cares about when the film is released, but it was put in wide-release in 2002, so I added it to my list. Thanks for noticing though, I guess I should've pointed that out. Sorry guys.

The Count of Monte Cristo seems to be a favorite around here. I haven't heard it so I guess I should.

Ace

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Originally posted by Quill:
To put a spin on this thread...what upcoming scores of 2002 would you guess to be Oscar-worthy?

The Two Towers (obviously)
Signs (depending on how well the film is received)
Road to Perdition (probably another quirky score by Thomas Newman...again depends on how well the film is received)

I don't think that Williams or Goldsmith have a chance for Minority Report or Sum of All Fears...I don't remember the last time a good action score won an Oscar.

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I think The Two Towers and The Road To Perdition are automatic nominees. As for Signs, I have to see the movie and listen to the music to determine that. Other possible nominees would be Gods and Generals and Catch Me If You Can.

Ace

The Sum of All Fears and The Count of Monte Cristo are above-average and runners-up, but definitely nowhere near as dramatically coherent as Howard's work.

My choice for a winner, at this stage, would be Road to Perdition. Signs and Minority Report were both very good scores, but I think Road to Perdition has been the best so far.

Signs, Road to Perdition, Minority Report, Sum of All Fears, Attack of the Clones

It's highly unlikely that the first three will be removed from this list, unless somebody writes something eye-poppingly amazing. The Lord of the Rings score will fill a spot, as might Catch Me If You Can.

The Two Towers
Signs
Count of Monte Cristo
Road to Perdition
K-19

All of Goldsmith's and Williams' work this year were quite good...though nothing that knocked my socks off. Of the scores above I would still have to say that TTT has the best material, but I don't think the Academy would let Shore repeat. Although the key to winning the award should not be the material itself, but rather how it supports, integrates, and elevates the film.

Philipp

Two Towers
Far From Heaven
Minority Report or Catch Me If You Can
Road to Perdition

For the last spot, I wouldn't rule out Frida, Spider, Signs, Gangs of New York, or maybe even The Pianist (depending how much score is in the film, of course!) or something a bit less obvious like Nicholas Nickleby (depending how the film's received).

I can't really say what I'd like to win, since I've not heard all of them yet, but I suspect that this could be Bernstein's year.

Far From Heaven
Frida
The Hours
Road to Perdition
The Two Towers

But that was before I found out that The Hours utilizes pre-exsisting music by Philipp Glass, so my guess is that it will be ineligible for a nomination. (Much like Yann Tiersen's music for Amelie was based on previously released music and was passed over last year.)

So that being said, I am thinking that Catch Me If You Can will be in there now and maybe Minority Report over Frida seeing how the hype for the film has died down. Actually, Frida is a very interesting work when you consider all the effort that was done to re-create the music of that time and place.

I still think Elmer will win. He deserves it.

As always...we'll see.

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Originally posted by Bond1965:
But that was before I found out that The Hours utilizes pre-exsisting music by Philipp Glass, so my guess is that it will be ineligible for a nomination.

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But then this criteria would also rule out The Two Towers, no?
On the other hand, it's not like the Academy cares much about the "pre-existing music" rule: remember Gladiator, Crouching Tiger, Titanic... all had previously existing music but all three were nominated and two of them won.

Catch Me If You Can
Far From Heaven
Nicholas Nickleby
Road to Perdition
Two Towers

I'm surprised Nickleby hasn't been discussed yet. I don't think anyone's heard it so far, but considering it's Rachel Portman I think it has a very good chance at nomination.

As to what I'd like to see, this is what I know for sure are Two Towers and Naqoyqatsi. What I've heard so far of Catch Me If You Can and Far From Heaven tells me I'll probably be adding them to my list as soon as I hear them in full.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Bond1965:
[b]But that was before I found out that The Hours utilizes pre-exsisting music by Philipp Glass, so my guess is that it will be ineligible for a nomination.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

But then this criteria would also rule out The Two Towers, no?
On the other hand, it's not like the Academy cares much about the "pre-existing music" rule: remember Gladiator, Crouching Tiger, Titanic... all had previously existing music but all three were nominated and two of them won.
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When I say pre-exsisting, I mean the score is based on previous Glass compositions. "Amelie" by Tiersen was the same thing.

Remember, "The Godfather" was disqualified because one of the themes was based on a previous score by Nino Rota, yet "The Godfather, Part II" won the score 2 years later. Go figure.

Now...as for "TheTwo Towers," that is something different. That is a continuation of music in a series. If that were to be disqualified, then you would have to disqualify the Indiana Jones and Star Wars films too. I'm sure someone out there has the rules about this, but I think that is a loophole about it being an "original score."

My understanding is that Glass only used portions of some exsisting pieces on a few cues and not throughout the score. As I am not familiar with the pieces he uses I couldn't say how extensive their use is in the score, but I am thinking he won't be disqualified for it.

I found the score to be quite effective while not too emotionally overbearing on the film, which could have easily been the case had the film had a more straightforward composer scoring it.

I also saw "Chicago" tonight and found the mix on the music to be wonderful. Great separation on the score. I couldn't tell you exactly what Danny Elfman did (although I could harbor a pretty good guess) as it fit seemlessly in with the songs and source music of the film.

The film was a lot of fun. I really good musical done in the modern fashion of editing and photography.

Hope to see "Nicholas Nickelby," "Antwone Fisher" and "Catch Me If You Can" this weekend.

James

P.S. This makes my guess back to: