ICE AGE is great in that it's very varied - powerful action stuff, sweet idyllic quiet cues, lively comical writing...pretty good for an animated movie, IMO, a genre of scoring I generally don't get into (save ATLANTIS and a few others that were really juicy fleshed out full on scores not like "hey how much music can we squeeze in around the nineteen songs").

Nice little use of "THE COMEDIANS" too in one of the tracks, which is either a classical piece or an old film score piece, in either event I knew I'd heard it somewhere before when it popped up in the score. Good stuff.

I found this fairly complete as far as what I remember - animated films always seem to have a lot of spotty/choppy stuff in it and they've seen fit to try and eliminate that as much as possible here, only the "dodos" cut is very short, under a minute.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
While it's interesting to discuss the bootleg, it is your duty if you currently own the bootleg to actually buy the legitimate release. Not later, either. Now. Because now is when it matters. There's something about owning an illegally "released" recording when there's nothing else available. However, when the release becomes available through legitimate means, you should immediately purchase the official release. Otherwise, you have no say as a consumer of legitimately released film music.

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I agree with you Peter. However, I'm one who owns the bootleg and paid nothing for it. I acquired it before it was known that Varese would be releasing an album. As a po' college student, buying the Ice Age album, while something I want and will eventually purchase, isn't something I can afford any time soon. I can afford free cd-rs. Not overpriced (nor underpriced) cds... especially when my mother is complaining that I spend too much on food. A boy's gotta eat, goshdarnit! I'm certainly not above this "responsibility" you speak of Peter, but there are certain exceptions to the rule.

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Originally posted by Jeron:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
[b]While it's interesting to discuss the bootleg, it is your duty if you currently own the bootleg to actually buy the legitimate release. Not later, either. Now. Because now is when it matters. There's something about owning an illegally "released" recording when there's nothing else available. However, when the release becomes available through legitimate means, you should immediately purchase the official release. Otherwise, you have no say as a consumer of legitimately released film music.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you Peter. However, I'm one who owns the bootleg and paid nothing for it. I acquired it before it was known that Varese would be releasing an album. As a po' college student, buying the Ice Age album, while something I want and will eventually purchase, isn't something I can afford any time soon. I can afford free cd-rs. Not overpriced (nor underpriced) cds... especially when my mother is complaining that I spend too much on food. A boy's gotta eat, goshdarnit! I'm certainly not above this "responsibility" you speak of Peter, but there are certain exceptions to the rule.

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Sorry Jeron...I just had a laugh at your situation.

I was just reminded of all those "starving college students" who expected me to just give away CDs I was auctioning on e-bay or elsewhere.

It always amazed me because when I was in college I managed to have money for things I really wanted (we called them LPs back in the 80s), as well as for tuition, textbooks, clothes, etc.

I'm sure a resourceful man such as yourself will eventually find his way to getting the legit CD. Afterall, you managed to get a boot for free!

Me...I've learned to just try to be patient and wait for a promo or used copy to come my way. I realize there is an argument against this as no royalties are paid to the composer, etc. but that is what happens after college when you become a homeowner with a mortgage and other finances.

(Just a little something for you to look forward to.)

And no offense Peter...but I bet you get quite a few CDs for free just by running this website. True?

Whatever label paid their dues to get the album released would be none-too-pleased to know there are people trading CDRs of its counterpart illegal "release."

"I plan to get it in the future" is purely and simply an excuse, especially if the illegal "release" continues to be enjoyed.

The responsible person, should they not have the money to buy the CD right now, will trash the bootleg (not making yet another copy) until they are able to buy the official CD.

The point is not about getting music for free. The point is this: it is a collector's responsibility not to put his or her favorite label out of business (or dampening plans for future releases) with inexcusable "I don't have the money" or "I am planning to get it" statements.

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Originally posted by Jeron:
I'm one who owns the bootleg and paid nothing for it. I acquired it before it was known that Varese would be releasing an album.

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Actually Jeron, if memory serves, you do NOT have the bootleg.... you have an agency promo CD-R.....

Trust me on that.

Maybe I’m old fashioned and out of touch, but I still like to buy my scores commercially, support the composers and the record companies and the small businesses such as FSM, Intrada, Screen Archives Entertainment, Prometheus, MovieMusic.com, etc. who help put out and/or sell this stuff.

Producing and selling film scores isn’t exactly a road to riches for these small companies/businesses, so every dollar lost by someone not buying the commercial product because they got a free CD-R means less money available for their next production, until it reaches the point where they figure why bother putting out a commercial film score product – there’s easier money to be made elsewhere. The upshot of that is that commercially available CD scores could dry up, and there is no guarentee that there will always be a bootleg freebie to replace it.

Also, the commercial product has some $$$ and investment value – you can resell it and get some of your money back. You can’t take your CD-R, regardless of how much an expanded version it represents, to your local second hand shop and flog it. An original “Cherry 2000” is worth a fair bit of money. The CD-R bootleg of “Cherry 2000” isn’t worth much at all.

That said, I have no moral/ethical problems with bootlegs IF there isn’t anything else commercially available, or if it is near impossible to get the commercial release. That’s not the case of course with “Ice Age” and dozens of other CD-R expanded scores you see being offered for trade on the Score Trader website for example.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
YOU GUYS ARE MISS THE POINT.

The point is not about getting music for free. The point is this: it is a collector's responsibility not to put his or her favorite label out of business (or dampening plans for future releases) with inexcusable "I don't have the money" or "I am planning to get it" statements.

If you are enjoying the music now, hopefully, the label that released has been given what is owed them. Quite simple.

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Peter,

I got your point and agree with it to a point. There is no way in hell I am paying $20 at Tower Records for a Varese Sarabande CD of Ice Age or any other score.

I'll wait and get a used/promo copy.

But...there are occasions when I do buy new CDs, I prefer to go to specialty shops such as SuperCollector or online to Screen Archieve, Intrada or Footlight.

Some things you obviously can't do this with...like the Varese & FSM Club CDs. Those things I order directly from them.

Now...some things I will get a copy of. Academy Promos, etc. And I don't have any problem if someone wants to make me a copy of those or vice versa. If a regular copy comes out...sure I will buy it. I ALWAYS want the legit release (unless it has dialog all over it like "Ocean's 11").

Just my take on things.

Mark, you've got it all wrong... "I can't afford it, but I want it anyway, so I get a cdr of it so I can listen to it, and therefore I don't have to pay for it." <-- that isn't my mentality at all. I acquired the cd PRIOR to its commercial release... at that time, it hadn't even been announced there was going to be a release. I never, never, never ask for cd-r's of things I can't afford. I'm too anal - I need ORIGINALS. LOL. At this point in my life, the only way for me to acquire ORIGINAL copies of cds are 1) if they are given to me or 2) if I purchase them myself.

Sorry guys... while I respect and support what you are trying to uphold, your accusations shouldn't be aimed at me. I'm just a guy fortunate enough to get a few things every now and then without having to pay for them. What's the harm in that? It's a blessing, that's for sure. And TRUST ME, my parents sure do appreciate it...

Try being 20 years old, living in Los Angeles, struggling with school, while also dealing with the knowledge that you are depleting your parents' retirement fund... then tell me what matters. The state of the film music record label industry is the last thing on my mind at the moment. Thankfully, I'm not doing any damage to it. I'm simply not participating. When you don't have extra cash, that's what happens. It's called priorities.

Jeron

PS- By not participating, I should add that I am in no way perpetuating the bootleg community. That's not a system I believe in.

The promo, while good and all, is hardly the listening experience I'd hoped for. I'm a big David Newman fan (normally), but to tell you the truth, I've only listened to the thing all the way through... once. That's it, one time. It's too long and the sequencing is bad. And frankly, I have no desire at the moment to go back to it, and that's not because I have too many CDs to listen to. Trust me, if I wanted to, I would. I'd rather put on Galaxy Quest, which I did pay good money for (when such a thing existed in my wallet).

Just thought I should add that.

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Originally posted by Jeron:
Sorry guys... while I respect and support what you are trying to uphold, your accusations shouldn't be aimed at me.

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No one's said this is personal. MarkA even said "don't take it personal."

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Originally posted by SBD:
Thank you, Mills and Jeron. Apparently, you two are the only posters at this thread who felt like answering my question. I'll get the Varese CD.

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Did I not answer the question? I think I did... it's the whole reason I posted! This past week has been very wacky, though, so maybe I didn't.

Delightful, in fact.