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    Topic:   I just had to get this off my chest.....

     jeffy
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    Just a little letter I wrote that may not get to the top brass, but I feel better having written it. Thought my film score friends would want to read it and post any thoughts you have about it here (if you're a member of starwars.com, post there).
    http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jsp?forum=19&thread=49210&start=0&msRange=25#1155638

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    posted 05-20-2002 10:49 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    An excellent post Jeff...I hope it does get there attention. While the music editing does not bother me, I do agree with diminished use of themes in Episodes One/Two.

    Oh well--well written--I hope you get the response you deserve.

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    posted 05-20-2002 11:19 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    What's with all this "diminished use of themes" kind of nonsense (no offense intended, Quill) that people come up with all of a sudden?

    you can't hear the themes Williams uses?

    the only one I can think of that hasn't made an appearance is the theme (more of a motif really) Williams wrote for the droids in the original trilogy.


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    posted 05-20-2002 01:40 PM PT (US)     

     jeffy
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    Allow me to answer this. I just meant that with the heavy presence of Yoda, his theme is hardly present. And Mace Windu gets nada, as does Jango Fett. Lots of new characters. No themes for them. Even the Force theme (which people also refer to as Ben's theme), got little play.

    Compare this with Empire or Jedi. You'll see what I mean.

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    posted 05-20-2002 02:04 PM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    Is it possible that there is such a thing as too many themes? I mean, come on. Does there really need to be a distinct theme for every character in the movie?

    And I don't think themes were used that way in Empire either. There was the Imperial March along with the themes from A New Hope, the rebel theme, the force theme and the Star Wars theme plus the love theme, Yoda's theme and an ominous motif (not really a theme) for Boba Fett. Those themes were used when it was dramatically important or appropriate.

    In the new trilogy he's used those themes where appropriate. He can't really use the rebel theme since the rebellion hasn't started yet.

    And does there really need to be a theme to tell us that there's Yoda on the screen whenever he shows up? I'm satisfied with what Williams has done (despite Lucas' tampering in the final print) and am glad he hasn't succumbed to the temptation to have themes run amok.

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    posted 05-20-2002 02:30 PM PT (US)     

     jeffy
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    Originally posted by HAL 2000:
    Is it possible that there is such a thing as too many themes? I mean, come on. Does there really need to be a distinct theme for every character in the movie?
    Yes, since just about everyone got a theme in the first three, and it wasn't overbearing.

    And I don't think themes were used that way in Empire either. There was the Imperial March along with the themes from A New Hope, the rebel theme, the force theme and the Star Wars theme plus the love theme, Yoda's theme and an ominous motif (not really a theme) for Boba Fett. Those themes were used when it was dramatically important or appropriate.
    And I think a theme for Qui-gon would have been dramatically important and appropriate.

    In the new trilogy he's used those themes where appropriate. He can't really use the rebel theme since the rebellion hasn't started yet.
    But he could have composed a theme for the Clone Wars instead of using the Imperial March at full steam too early in the saga.

    And does there really need to be a theme to tell us that there's Yoda on the screen whenever he shows up?
    For Episode 2, yes, considering his role there. It would have been cool to hear a battle orchestration of his theme during the big fight.

    I'm satisfied with what Williams has done (despite Lucas' tampering in the final print) and am glad he hasn't succumbed to the temptation to have themes run amok.
    I'm satisfied to a point, but I don't think Williams ever had his themes run amok. When he used more than one theme in a cue, the transition was seamless. I just had hoped for a little more. I didn't have high expectations, just high hopes.


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    posted 05-20-2002 02:46 PM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    quote:
    Originally posted by jeffy:

    And I think a theme for Qui-gon would have been dramatically important and appropriate.

    [/B]


    But Qui Gon did have a theme.


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    posted 05-20-2002 02:55 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Jeffy,

    nice open letter. I hope it gets Lucas attention. Ehm, one comment though. Are you really surprised that Lucas is treating the music this way? His original idea was to use classical music for the original film because he did not trust any composer could come up with the kind of score he was looking for. Where it not for Stephen Spielberg, we might be hearing Yoda's theme as composed by Amadeus Mozart. So, no, I'm not surprised he is chapping up the music like crazy for he have never ever had the kind of respect and devotion to film scores as Spielberg has.

    Hopefully your letter will have the power to change things, it would be great and anything I can do to help, I certainly will.


    Scott

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    posted 05-20-2002 04:07 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by jeffy:
    Originally posted by HAL 2000:
    Yes, since just about everyone got a theme in the first three, and it wasn't overbearing.
    [/Quote}

    Well, it makes sense there, since everyone who was going to be around for a while would warrant a theme. Many characters in episode 1 and 2 are around for a little while and then gone. I do think the use of a theme for every moving character could be just a tadd too much.


    But he could have composed a theme for the Clone Wars instead of using the Imperial March at full steam too early in the saga.

    Actually I don't think a theme for an event is appropiate at all. I also don't see where this notion comes from that he used the Imperial March too early. I was impressed in the last scenes how he used it. It makes so much sense. It was then that the Empire was born. Sure, not in full force and all out in the open, but when everyone looks on and sees all these clone warriors and the ships, you just know that was the quite birth of the Empire and it was musically very fitting (IMHO). I just loved how Smith kinda hit the balcony and his facial expression of not liking the whole matter one bit. Very nice indeed.

    For Episode 2, yes, considering his role there. It would have been cool to hear a battle orchestration of his theme during the big fight.

    Hmm, he Did use the his theme, albeit not much granted. I think however, Yoda's theme has special significance in the Empire due to the fact that he is now not simply a Jedi master but Luke's teacher and the only remaining Jedi. Here the Force was pretty all about Yoda, he was the only one still using it up until Luke was trained. In episode 1 and 2 the Force is with the Jedi order, so it's not just about Yoda. Yoda is part of a group, in the latter he IS the group thus his character becomes more important, more in need of the theme than in the first two episodes.


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    posted 05-20-2002 04:17 PM PT (US)     

     HadrianD
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    Wasn't one of the original fascinations with Star Wars scores was their notable use of MOTIF????? Carry on with the tradition!!!!

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    posted 05-20-2002 09:22 PM PT (US)     
     

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