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Originally posted by justin boggan:
Well remember, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE. There are more people like me out there piss head.

There, i've said it. :-()

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Well, I'm glad you could resort to name-calling.

Regardless of what you and others want, unless you end up producing the album yourself, you're just gonna have to be happy with what you get. You know, you can always start up a petition for an expanded release or whatever - it's worked in the past...

Seems every chance you got to make some kind of remake, you did- and they were all at me. That's why you are the pin head that you are.
Name calling is fun- lets off sum steam.

There was no hostility until you called him a "piss head," waghalter.

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Originally posted by justin boggan:
Now i have a target whenever i go to this board.

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Nopers. This is not encouraged here. We've been through this before, so let's keep the spiteful relationship you might have with Dan where it belongs: anywhere but here.

Sure, I don't like to delete things and play moderator, but occasionally I must do it. Call it censorship, call it whatever you will. You will be correct, but there's not much you can do about it.

Economically, with re-use fees being what they are, it makes much better economic sense, which is the just about the only thing the labels care about, to release scores that appeal to a broad base of fans (either fans of the movie (Phantom Menace Ultimate Edition) or fans who like pop songs(Sum of all Fears)). Score fans are a minor consideration. The number of CDs that sell to score fans is pretty small from a labels standpoint. The overhead at major label is too high to make selling score releases profitable in general. They just can’t make enough money to bother with it. Release a complete, 2-cd score only release of say, The Mummy Returns, would be like digging not a six foot grave, but a nice twelve foot one with a monument on top. You’ll be just as dead either way, but it will cost a lot more.

Varese’s business model is designed to survive selling small or low numbers. They have a dedicated consumer audience, they don’t have to market heavily and they work the Reuse schedule to make the most of what they can afford to offer. Sometimes, they decide not release a score because they know, before they even release it, that it will lose money (Dinotopia, extended Air Force One). Sometime, they have a wildly successful release (Matrix) that is unanticipated that helps offset CD’s that don’t sell well. I believe that if they had known how well Matrix was going to sell, they would have paid for a longer release.

Artistic merit, like many things, is a matter of personal taste. I honestly don’t feel that I can make a better decision about what cues should be included on a release than a record producer or a composer. While I might know what I like best, in general, I feel a composer is better equipped to decide what the majority of listeners will like best.

In addition, I don’t really want to invest 130 minutes into something like “The Mummy Returns Complete” The regular release is fine and could have been shorter without hurting it. I have both, and I never listen to the complete version. Still, I can see how this is purely a personal decision.

Finally, I think that bootlegs of complete scores only exist because of a tiny amount of demand by an incredibly fanatic and vocal group of collectors who are satisfied with nothing less, regardless of the merit of the complete score. This small group is serviced by bootleggers with the passive neglect of the studios who are the copyright holders.

I want to thank Dan for putting some industry knowledge into the issue, much needed. If we're just going to discuss without learning something about this stuff besides when somethings released, who's doing it, and what it looks like, that's going to promote some sense of stagnation. It doesn't necessarily need to have a goal, but I do think this board is an opportunity to learn something as well as connect.

As to the name-calling, targeting, and such- I don't know the people behind it very well, so I have no comment- I let Peter monitor that stuff and reply as such, and he has.