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Philipp Oscar® Winner	Jeez, speaking of deja-vu´s. Two weekends ago I came to hear both works back to back. I started with Sarde´s THE LORD OF THE FLIES, a score I really love. Then I played Sacre by Strawinsky. Man, I never ever heard music that sounded so equally. Did Sarde do that on purpose, because he thought Stravinsky´s music would fit into the movie? Philipp np: symphony no. 38, "prager" (wolfgang amadeus mozart, wiener philharmoniker, levine)
posted 05-13-2002 04:35 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Well, if he didn't do it on purpose, it sure was a HUGE coincidence. NP: Sneakers (James Horner)
posted 05-13-2002 05:40 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	For what it's worth, I've often seen Sarde referred to as the "French Horner".
posted 05-13-2002 07:19 AM PT (US)

JeffBond Oscar® Winner	Sarde is capable of writing his own music--check out his score to Ghost Story. The Rite of Spring in Lord of the Flies was very intentional, I'm sure--"Rite" has always been seen as a kind of primitivist bacchannale (however that's spelled!) and it fits in very well thematically with the idea of kids reverting to primitive savages on an island--it's on the obvious side but it surely was no accident.
posted 05-13-2002 03:15 PM PT (US)

THE GREEK Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: For what it's worth, I've often seen Sarde referred to as the "French Horner". Philipe Sarde has nothing to do with Horner both in talent and influences. I have almost everything he has done in the movies since his first assignement in 1970 ( LES CHOSES DE LA VIE) and anyone who has heard his entire work must admit that he is one of the most original and talented film composers. He composed film music of high quality for films like THE TENANT (1976) in which he used crystal glasses to acchieve an eerie sound, TESS (1980), LE SEINS DE GLACE (1974) in which he utilized an electric violin to create a wonderfull somber score, LES CHOSES DE LA VIE (1970), DEUX HOMMES DANS LA VILLE (1974), THE BEAR (1989), LA GUERRE DE FU (1981), LE FILS (1976) a highly dramatic and unique score, UN HISTOIRE SIMPLE(1978), LE TRAIN (1972)... and many many others. He didn't compose conventional music and his scores were never similar. Most of the times he utilized very unique and influential instrumentations to acchieve the best dramatic result. I think it is at least insulting for this GREAT composer to be compared with the dispeakable mr. Horner.
posted 05-14-2002 12:11 AM PT (US)

monkey Oscar® Winner	And what about the fact that his theme for The Bear is a composition by Tshaikovski (the name of the pice escapes me now) The term the French Horner is more a reference tohim using existing classical works (a topic which has been discussed before I`m sure)
posted 05-14-2002 06:05 AM PT (US)

mlw Oscar® Winner	The Bear central theme used a Jewish folk tune as a base melody. Tchaikovsky and probably Mahler and probably a bunch of other people used it too. Those insults ("the French Horner") at one of the last fine composers are egregiously dumb however they started. Sarde always has a plan, his referent is always thematically correct to the story and it's art-music layering on top of all that. Jeez. Sometimes you can get away with citing the decline in orchestration with his scores but that is true of every composer I can think of. (no more Peter Knight, Herbert Spencer, Arthur Morton, Greig McRitchie, it's a significant loss) [Message edited by mlw on 05-20-2002]
posted 05-14-2002 06:39 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by mlw: Those insults ("the French Horner") Interesting turn... that a reference to Horner should be considered an insult rather than a simple characterization, or comparison.
posted 05-14-2002 07:06 PM PT (US)

THE GREEK Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by mlw: [B]Those insults ("the French Horner") at one of the last fine composers is egregiously dumb however they started. Sarde always has a plan, his referent is always thematically correct to the story and it's art-music layering on top of all that.B] I completelly agree!! Sarde is a really gifted composer.
posted 05-15-2002 02:42 AM PT (US)

Luscious Lazlo Oscar® Winner	THE RITE OF SPRING has gotta be the most plagiarized piece of music extant. Williams (depending on your point of view) stole/"homaged" a RITE brass motif in "Sea Attack #1" from JAWS. Also suspiciously RITE-ish is Goldsmith's "Hot Water" from OUTLAND. And Sandy Courage waxed RITE-ish in a score called WILD ADVENTURE.
posted 05-20-2002 09:05 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	Tchaikovsky wrote a piece called "The Seasons" that uses the melody in question. it's great. Seek it out. NP -- LoTR, Shore
posted 05-20-2002 09:35 AM PT (US)

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