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Marselus Oscar® Nominee	Oh my God !!! I cant´t believe what I´ve felt why listening to Zimmer´s score tracks of Spirit. It´s amazing!! The maestro is back and full of energy!! What a main theme, it´s so great and refreshing that I can´t stop playing it!! I can´t wait to see the movie and see how it fits with the images, and to hear all the music. God bless Media Ventures (come in, those of you who are Media Ventures haters, kick me, insult me, I´m waiting ) NP: of course, Spirit
posted 05-11-2002 05:43 PM PT (US)

MarkA Oscar® Winner	Are you referring to the about-to-be-released soundtrack album? How much score is on it? From the sound clips I heard at cdnow.com, it appears that only 4 of the tracks are score. I've waited a while for Zimmer's "old" style and I'm eagerly anticipating this one.
posted 05-11-2002 05:53 PM PT (US)

Bond1965 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marselus: Oh my God !!! I cant´t believe what I´ve felt why listening to Zimmer´s score tracks of Spirit. It´s amazing!! The maestro is back and full of energy!! What a main theme, it´s so great and refreshing that I can´t stop playing it!! I can´t wait to see the movie and see how it fits with the images, and to hear all the music. God bless Media Ventures (come in, those of you who are Media Ventures haters, kick me, insult me, I´m waiting ) NP: of course, Spirit Okay...you asked for it... I was going to see "Spirit" today but my friend got a new car so I went for a ride in that instead. As for your post...I just think the words "Maestro" and Hans Zimmer don't really mesh well. I do hope the score is good...but Bryan Adams is like listening to sandpaper on a chalk board. The only good song he ever sang in a film was that one for "Don Juan De Marco." James
posted 05-11-2002 05:56 PM PT (US)

Marselus Oscar® Nominee	Sorry,with the excitement I forgot to put the web page: http://www.buzztone.com/spirit/ Enjoy it! Zimmer-Maestro.....mmm, looks wonderful
posted 05-11-2002 06:00 PM PT (US)

John Zimmer Oscar® Winner	I'm right there with you Marselus. Sounds wonderful. I CAN'T WAIT! Jz
posted 05-11-2002 06:11 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	My computer freezes up when I click on that link, but I was wondering how long the 4 score tracks were?
posted 05-11-2002 06:59 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	The score from the clips ran about 21 minutes, but "Run Free" sounds like it is cut off in the beginning, so maybe about 23-25 minutes? Eather way, its a lot of the key stufff from the film, and thats why we have repeat. See my review of the film here: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/009302.html --Brian NP: Spirit [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 05-11-2002]
posted 05-11-2002 07:47 PM PT (US)

SPQR Oscar® Winner	Awful, awful stuff. Vangelis. True Romance. The 80's. All mixed into one soporific bowl movement.
posted 05-11-2002 08:11 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Hardly awful, but nothing great either. In other words, "jah?".
posted 05-11-2002 08:13 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Well I am happy too. Another movie/album I won't have to spend money with. Hail to the "maestro"!!
posted 05-11-2002 08:14 PM PT (US)

MarkA Oscar® Winner	There are 4 tracks of score, but with good running times adding up to just under 20.5 minutes. Run Free - Track 10: 6:25 Homeland (Main Title) - Track 11: 3:40 Rain - Track 12: 2:55 The Long Road Back - Track 13: 7:10 I really like what I've heard. As mentioned, the Main Title (track 11) is a rousing track Think of Zimmer + Western and you'll get an idea of what Track 10 is like -- I even liked it better than the Main Title - in fact I might dare say this is the best track I've heard from Zimmer in some time! What a ride! Track 12 reminds me a lot of the main theme from True Romance (which is really quite good). Track 13 is mellow yet engaging (the classical guitar work is a bonus) with a nice running time at 7:10!
posted 05-11-2002 08:15 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	And, again, I must say this: Go listen to Dru Hill's "We're Not Making Love No More", then take a listen to "Homeland (Main Title)". If that's not a shameless rip, I'm not sure what is.
posted 05-11-2002 08:17 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by MarkA: Think of Zimmer + Western and you'll get an idea of what Track 10 is like -- You just made me puke... thanks a lot!
posted 05-11-2002 08:19 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	It sounds like most people here care about tho wrote the theme than the actual sound of the music. So sad. --Brian NP: Spirit
posted 05-11-2002 09:40 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: It sounds like most people here care about tho wrote the theme than the actual sound of the music. So sad. --Brian NP: Spirit Are you talking about the score people are carring about more than the rest of the music?
posted 05-11-2002 09:55 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Music in general, people bitch that Zimmer is writing the music. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!! Who give a **** who wrote it, as long as it's good music! --Brian
posted 05-11-2002 10:01 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Oh I see what you mean...but I don't know, when I hear good music I get curious as to who wrote it.
posted 05-11-2002 10:05 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: ITS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!! Doesn't the story rank on some level of importance?
posted 05-12-2002 01:22 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: Music in general, people bitch that Zimmer is writing the music. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!! Who give a **** who wrote it, as long as it's good music! It's simple logic: COMPOSER "X" never wrote anything good = his new score will suck too. Music doesn't fall from the sky you know...
posted 05-12-2002 11:27 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Logic: FAN Z, employing pre-judicial self-righteousness, NEVER liked COMPOSER X, statistics favor FAN Z will declare that COMPOSER X's new score "sucks". Faux-Zen: If one COMPOSER X-loathing consumer doesn't buy a CD in Brazil, does anyone give a crap? Pessimism: There will never be an end to this argument. Optimism: Maybe we'll all drop it. [Message edited by Lancelot on 05-12-2002]
posted 05-12-2002 02:57 PM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	Yeah..well i still agree with Andre! Kyri np:Othello (Elliot Goldenthal)************/*** another masterpiece by THE composer.
posted 05-12-2002 03:07 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	Just out of curiosity, why did the IMDB take Steve Jablonsky's name out of the credits? Clayton
posted 05-12-2002 08:27 PM PT (US)

BMUSTANG Oscar® Winner	FOUR tracks of score? Maybe I won't buy it then...
posted 05-12-2002 08:33 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by BMUSTANG: FOUR tracks of score? Maybe I won't buy it then... But those are supposed to be long suites, totaling 30-40 minutes.... Dan
posted 05-12-2002 09:47 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Try 20 minutes... --Brian
posted 05-12-2002 10:07 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Lancelot: Logic: FAN Z, employing pre-judicial self-righteousness, NEVER liked COMPOSER X, statistics favor FAN Z will declare that COMPOSER X's new score "sucks". Lancelot is so illogical!
posted 05-13-2002 01:50 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Lancelot: Faux-Zen: If one COMPOSER X-loathing consumer doesn't buy a CD in Brazil, does anyone give a crap? Isn't racism something politically incorrect?
posted 05-13-2002 01:53 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Oh, fck...I said the "B" word -therefore- I must be a racist. (nota bene: That's* illogical.)
posted 05-13-2002 07:07 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Lancelot: *Oh, fck...I said the "B" word -therefore- I must be a racist.** Indeed you are Lancelot. But, in the end, who gives a crap about what you think???
posted 05-13-2002 07:28 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Apparently you do! You racist Brazillian, you.
posted 05-13-2002 07:31 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Nah, I do not and you know it! I was just mocking you again for not letting anyone say HAZIMMER SUCKS without giving your usual "self-indulgent grumpy nerd" performance... Now I'll ignore you ok? Otherwise PeterK may get angry. It's nothing personal. I know how important I am to you and all.
posted 05-13-2002 01:16 PM PT (US)

jeffy Oscar® Winner	OK, back on topic....the best music in the film is not on the CD. There's a thrilling chase involving Spirit trying to rescue his female love interest from a raging river. That cue isn't on the CD, but it sounds great in the film! Also, there's a theme for Spirit, based on the song "Here I Am," that doesn't get a good representation on CD. But it is a good job by Zimmer. And did any of you notice in the Thank You section of the liner notes, that Zimmer thanks practically all of the composers in his Media Ventures team. Makes me think this wasn't a solo effort, as I was hoping.
posted 05-20-2002 02:40 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by jeffy: Makes me think this wasn't a solo effort, as I was hoping. Well... this is nothing new. And the liner notes say clearly "Additional Music" and "Additional Arrangements".... so... there ya go. Dan
posted 05-20-2002 02:45 PM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	Jeffy, Hans Zimmer always thanks everyone over at Media Ventures, and that in no way implies that everyone at MV wrote part of the score. And the credits are quite clear as to who contributed: Additional Music: Steve Jablonsky Additional arrangements: Jim Dooley, Rupert Gregson-Williams, Me Wesson I would guess that the additional arrangements have to do with the structure of some of the tracks since Mel Wesson is a sound designer, not a composer at MV; but the other two, who knows. NP: Attack of the Clones ***/***
posted 05-20-2002 03:36 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by sean: but the other two, who knows. Well... Jim and Rupert are composers: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Dooley,+James+Michael http://us.imdb.com/Name?Gregson-Williams,+Rupert Again - it's amazing what 2 seconds at the IMDb will yield.... Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-20-2002]
posted 05-20-2002 03:49 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	There's something to be said about the difficulties of translating some of the stuff Hans write (or Steve might write). The orchestrations is often hard to play by normal players so most of the time, with MV stuff, arrangers are used to changed the pitch/tonality of sound so that it'd be easier to play. I remember that it was the case with the Crimson Tide theme for the Live Concert. Some of the materials were just too difficult to play since it was written via computer, and MIDI controllers etc etc.
posted 05-20-2002 05:08 PM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	Oh yeah, Dan, I already know that. What I was trying to say was that perhaps they were simply remixing some of Zimmer's material, sort of like how Gavin Greenaway was involved in The Peacemaker.
posted 05-20-2002 05:27 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	Gavin Greenaway did score some parts in the movie. He doesn't like to score movies so he just did a few cues. Don't ask me which. For the car chase cue, Hans didn't have enough time, I remember..., so he basically gave Gavin a skeleton cue of where to score the onscreen action and let Gavin work with the theme. IF you compare it with the rest of The Peacemaker score, the theme was developed and orchestrated very differently.
posted 05-20-2002 09:03 PM PT (US)

Steve Hughes Oscar® Winner	I'm not really a big fan of the Media Ventures stable, or of Hans Zimmer's more recent scores, but I'm listening to Spirit... and I love it! I'm still on the first score cue "Run Free" and it kicks ass. It's more like his early-90's scores which were energetic and less synthetic-sounding. Top work, Mr Z.
posted 05-21-2002 02:27 AM PT (US)

soundtrackman Oscar® Winner	actually, the clips sound great - nice to get the full tracks, too, not just 30-second exerpts. I'm no big fan of factory music either, but to give Zimmer his due, he has an excellent sense for themes ("Driving Miss Daisy" and "Rain Man" justifiably put him on the map) and he is very skilled at making his electronics sound orchestral. The only drawback is that the "orchestration" get old fast - there's not the variety of sounds you can have with conventional accoustic instruments - especially unusual instruments like Goldsmith always used to pull into his scores. Still, Zimmer has not been a force in film scoring all these years for nothing - when he gets into it, he can pull of some nice stuff, and this certainly qualifies. Mark T.
posted 05-21-2002 06:10 AM PT (US)

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