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Originally posted by Hasta:
Hey Bond,

Can you go more into that instance where Bay foul-talked Rabin with him and his son in the audience? From what I've seen/read, Bay seems like nothing less than a hard-on-bastard, so I'd love to hear this story that makes me disrespect the guy more than I already do.

Oh yes, and here's MY opinion: [b]Pearl Harbor was an absolute travesty, and the score was (despite being enjoyable on album) one of the most obtrusive I've ever had the displeasure of hearing.[/B]

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Well...basically it was a story about how he push Trevor so hard that when he left the room he stood outside and heard him swear after he was gone. It was the repeating of certain 12 letter word in particular that he thought was so amusing. I just found it tasteless as Rabin had his young son sitting right up front.

That same seminar we had the pleasure of Bryan Singer & John Ottmann on a panel and they were absolutely wonderful. Both were funny and entertaining...like an old married couple. They were a blast.

In the end...I just felt bad for Rabin because I think what Bay did was disrepectful to Rabin's young son.

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
How odd...a story that seems to detract from Bay and garner sympathy for Rabin at the same time. The universe must be imploding.

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Doesn't mean I think Rabin is a great composer. He's okay. I just think it was really tasteless to do that to him.

By the way...how's Rabin's "American Outlaws" CD? I saw it cheap and may check it out.

I'd say aside from Armageddon, Deep Blue Sea, and Remember the Titans, it's his best album, probably standing right along side Con Air (which, I realize, most people despise).

As far as differentiating the composers, you just find out who wrote what cue in the film, and it so happens that Steve Jablonsky wrote that big air battle cue in PH, which is so cool; obviously though, he was using Zimmer's themes for the film. And in the Black Hawk Down end credits each track from the film is listed that was not written by Zimmer or had a split credit with him.

As far as Pearl Harbour goes, the film was complete racist American propaganda; shame on Hans Zimmer for undertaking the project! But, the score was good for the amount of time he spent on it.

Merriam-Websters - propaganda: the spreading of ideas or information deliberately to further one's cause or damange an opposing cause.

Scott, I am pretty sure Zimmer wrote the cue where they fought over Battle Ship row, hense the Gladiator sounding parts.

Zimmer can't always give credits to the people, it's called contracts. And maybe when he does, the artwork people screw it up. And he does give A LOT of credit to people. Peacemaker, in the credits of the CD it says All Tracks by Hans Zimmer except: Devoe's Revenge composed by Gavin Greenaway. And look at the Gladiator CD sometime, you'll see lots of credit given there.

Like the 20 other people who worked on Black Hawk Down. He gave them credit, right?

Oh wait, no.

The Japanese sequences are retarted. Yeah, sure a Japanese gunner signals baseball playing children to take cover seconds before his duty to the Emperor compels him to reduce them all to ashes; gimme a break, man! Oh, please as if the Japanese didn't wanna hurt anyone, do you even know what the Japanese military did during their conquest of the Pacific? And that awful epilogue by Kate Backinsale about the "trial" America went through! Oh, that's what it was all about, the "trial"? Some "trial," and it seems that the napalm assaults on Japanese civlians and the two subsequent nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki just slipped her mind; and, lest we forget the racist Japanese-American internment camps in the US! Something very similar happen after September 11, 2001 with Muslims and Arabs throughout the US.

As far as the credits go, Zimmer has said that he gives credit where credit is due. Gavin Greenaway's piece from Peacemaker is a re-working of Hans Zimmer's original track for that scene, like a remix. So even if Greenaway did not infact write the music, Zimmer still gave him full credit for the track.

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Originally posted by scoreguy16:

Scott, I am pretty sure Zimmer wrote the cue where they fought over Battle Ship row, hense the Gladiator sounding parts.

Clayton

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Wait...are you talking about the Gladiator ones that were a direct ripp-off from Holst's The Planets?

..hehe..

Kyri

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Sorry, Lancelot.....if you're American and you loved Pearl Harbour it would be very hard to convince you as to why bad filmmaking and a recruitment video for the US Air Force combined would be propaganda. Anyway, patriotism blinds most Americans from the truth, you only like the American Way, I'm sure.

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Sean--sans hostile sentiments, that, in itself, seems like the most racist sentiment shared so far--Assuming all citizens of the United States wear blinders to the world when it comes to truth.

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The Japanese sequences are retarted.

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Retarded: Slow or limited in intellectual development, in emotional development, or in academic progress.

I'm not trying to sound neutral at all; I have always loved the guy's music, but as of late, I'm getting sick of his tendency to what "seems" to be scores with less and less music written by him. (though it must be said that I didn't care much for Pearl Harbor or Hannibal, though The Pledge was a commendable effort)

Pearl Harbor, for example, is just one. Tell me if I'm wrong here, PLEASE DO... Jablonsky writes 3 tracks on the commercial release, about 1/3 of the album. Don't you think he should get credit on the cover as Badelt did in The Pledge? Sure, it could be up to the people releasing the CD -- and probably is -- but it still leaves a bit to be desired. From what's been said on Black Hawk Down, literally 20 guys worked on it... Sorry, that just hits me the wrong way. Whatever (as Shaun would say) "Scorekid" says, I and a lot of others find it unsettling that it takes a freakin' team to come up with two hours of music, while there are individual composers working there buts off (and throwing out better scores, no less)... 20 people?! Why not include a booklet with the CD on the whole TEAM like Asche & Spencer's Monster's Ball... Tell me that.

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Originally posted by Vestard:
YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! I WANNNNNNNA IT A LOT!!! Listen, folks, e-mail me also if somebody has this VERRRRRY expected album, PLEASE!

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...hmmmm just saw your profile...
Have one question though...WHY???????????do you like Zimmer?

Kyri