Been lurking here for many a month. Finally decided to come out of the shadows because I wanted to share something.

I don't know how many of you are into anime but I was watching Gundam 0083 the other day and noticed that the score is the most blatant example of plagiarism that I've ever heard.

It mainly rips off Horner, but I was able to identify sequences that are identical to peices out of Brainstorm, Glory and the finale to Shire's 2010. They've just been very slightly remixed.

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So...Wisconsin, eh? I have some friends from there...not that it matters or anything...

Yeah, as great as some anime scores can be, they can also be full of cribs. Take Record of Lodoss War and Super Atragon for example, to name just two crib-loaded anime scores off the top of my head. Record cribs from Herrmann, Rozsa, Legrand, and Morricone; Atragon cribs from Debussy and Stravinsky. Atragon is a great score despite (or because of) this however.

But Anime is not the only place the cribs can be hound. Horner himself cribs so often that cribbing scores has become known around here as "Hornering" (as the verb 'To Horner' means to crib and compose poorly, sorry Horner fans you know it's true). In fact, since Gundam cribs Glory which cribs Prokofiev's War and Peace opera, it's obviously getting harder to follow the provenance of these things any more.

And when there aren't cribs, there are temp tracks so that one composer's cues have to sound like some other composer's cues.

But at least cribbed cues are more lively than sonic wallpaper, but that's for another topic debate altogether.

Hey, no one said loving film production practices was easy. But we were all deprived as children so masochism comes naturally to us.

Still, putting all this aside, we're all fans of film music here and we're glad to see another soul foolish enough to own up to being one as well.

Cheers and welcome aboard!!!!!

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Originally posted by Usul:
I don't know how many of you are into anime but I was watching Gundam 0083 the other day and noticed that the score is the most blatant example of plagiarism that I've ever heard.

It mainly rips off Horner, but I was able to identify sequences that are identical to peices out of Brainstorm, Glory and the finale to Shire's 2010. They've just been very slightly remixed.

But besides that it's a good score.

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Really? I didn't notice much in way of stealing, though, there is a big amount of sameness compared to other anime series from the time. Personally, I love it and it's one of my better purchases.

BTW, has anyone else notice how good most of the songs are on such OSTs from Japan compared to bulk of the crap that gets attention song wise, over here in the US? The ones included on the 0083 albums are especially good IMO!

Oh well, I have to really hear more Gundam music and hope to pick some more Symphony albums of a few of them. Very well done, from what I heard thus far.

I'd give the edge to Windtalkers, for having good end titles. I hear repetitions in both. Goldsmith pulled a "Horner" by throwing in a song in his score. Actually, one of the best things about Sum is the inclusion of "Nessa Dorma". Goldsmith had a hand in that, certainly.

Is Goldsmith a better composer? I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say he's a worse composer, either. I think both of them, as composers, have a discipline to sit down and play music. It's their job--and it's not necessarily their job to be innovative and original each time. Some say "water-treading"....I say "employed". It's great when and if they're inspired, when and if they get a great project...or even if they've got the time to devote to being innovative and inspired. Which, let's be honest--they don't always have.

As we've already noted, the American public at large sadly doesn't care about originality so much as they care about feeling something at some time. No one says that's the right way to approach a film score, but who beyond us cares that much? Does it has to be us, then, who decide who is a "better composer"? Neither is better.

Thus, as far as I am concerned, they're only different. And it's only our preferences (opinions) and our numbers that seem to determine this. Goldsmith has the edge on years. Horner has the edge on mass appeal. But then, we play the snob card and say, "well, Titanic was only sucessful because thousands of normally film score ignorant people bought into the sentimentality. That doesn't mean he's a good composer." No? Didn't he do his job?

Horner resonated with people, and some of us, who have been film score fans for much longer resent it, because EVERY score resonates with us. (And not always in a good way.) So if you want to play the "better than" card when it comes to composers, that's fine. I have to say they're both great composers, and I have to take their scores as they come. Some will be good, some will be mediochre, some will be craptastic.