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Topic: Star Trek: Enterprise - Decca or GNP?

Dinko

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GNPCrescendo has an announcement for the Enterprise CD on their website. Simultaneously, all record stores list it as a Decca/Universal Music release, and there's a cover and track listing now available at Unviversal's Iclassics website.So is this going to be a Decca or GNP release?
posted 04-28-2002 02:28 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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I'd guess Decca since Russel Wilson is on that label...--Brian
posted 04-28-2002 03:20 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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...but GNP *lists* a CD on their site. They wouldn't do that if there wasn't a GNP disc planned.Here's what I think... and am hoping for: GNP will release a score CD for "Broken Bow" and Decca will release a compilation disc of various Season One scores, similar to GNP's Stargate SG-1 disc.
Keeping my fingers crossed...
Jeronposted 04-28-2002 05:08 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Jeron,However, that's not the case. Decca is releasing the album, and GNP is just selling it on their site, so everyone can get their Trek fix in one place.
And it's just the pilot score to "Broken Bow". And unless something changes significantly, it should also have McCarthy's original main title theme.
Dan
[Message edited by dgoldwas on 04-28-2002]
posted 04-28-2002 05:21 PM PT (US) 
Kosh

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Well, none of that in the track listing, but there's an "Archer's Theme" in there at the end... might be like for TNG, where McCarthy's original Main Title was actually Picard's Theme.
posted 04-28-2002 05:35 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Yep, McCarthy's original theme for Enterprise is referred to as "Archer's Theme".
posted 04-28-2002 06:56 PM PT (US) 
justin boggan

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Gooood. Wanted to hear the original version by McCarthy, even though there is supposedly 3 different versions out there.
posted 04-30-2002 10:44 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Thank goodness for the repeat airings on Sunday nights...last week's episode was excellent!IMHO...if you compare the first seasons of all Star Trek shows to date this is by far the best. Now, I am not saying that it will ever be as good as TNG but the fundamentals were there out of the gate.
Sorry to digress from the topic...uhhh...me like the music to.
posted 04-30-2002 12:19 PM PT (US) 
JeffBond

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Wow, I strongly disagree about the quality of Enterprise. To my mind it's had one or two good episodes ("Dear Doctor" being the only standout) and tons of lost opportunities--right now it's about on a level with Voyager, which I hated. I really think it is shrugging off its entire reason for being (the scary exploration of a new frontier and laying the groundwork for later Trek history) and just doing business as usual--very low jeopardy, low-drama plots and situations. I like the cast but the stories have mostly been rehashes of other Trek show plots. I agree it's probably on a par with the first seasons of TNG and DS9 but can you really say Enterprise has had any episodes that even come close to first season TOS episodes like "Devil in the Dark," "Balance of Terror," "Shore Leave" or "City on the Edge of Forever"? Oh, yeah--Enterprise DID do "Balance of Terror"--except they devoted half the episode to finding out what Reed's favorite food was...Okay, nerdy rant over--I hope Enterprise improves. Right now it's 89th in the Neilsen ratings.
posted 05-01-2002 10:19 AM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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But... what about the Vulcan hottie?
posted 05-01-2002 10:58 AM PT (US) 
JeffBond

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Yeah, Voyager had Jeri Ryan too--that didn't make it a good show.
posted 05-01-2002 12:16 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by JeffBond:
Yeah, Voyager had Jeri Ryan too--that didn't make it a good show....but it certainly made it easier to watch!
Dan
posted 05-01-2002 01:26 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by JeffBond:
Yeah, Voyager had Jeri Ryan too--that didn't make it a good show.I enjoyed Voyager quite a bit... enough with this hyper-critical "it doesn't live up to TOS" non-sense. Star Trek has morphed into something new, and while it does maintain many of its grandfather's attributes (which yes, were great!), it has taken on a new form, serving a new audience. If you're stuck in a mental rutt of comparitive expectations, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. I'm a huge, dedicated fan of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and now Enterprise. I think Enterprise is a great show - the character interactions being my favorite aspect. I enjoy the temporal cold-war plot they are sticking to and look forward to what the show will bring in the coming seasons.
Take it for what it is. Don't compare it to anything else. Enjoy its nods to past incarnations, but don't forget that it's serving a dual audience: the "dedicated"-Trek fan base and the new comers. I've been personal witness to Enterprise appealing to an otherwise non-sci-fi crowd. My roommate, aunt, and cousins, all of whom never cared to sit through past-Trek incarnations, find themselves thoroughly entertained by the show. I think that's a good thing.
And Nielsen ratings? Who cares... those don't say anything of value to me.
With a smile,
Jeron
[Message edited by Jeron on 05-01-2002]
posted 05-01-2002 03:17 PM PT (US) 
JeffBond

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Well, I enjoyed a lot of TNG and DS9 (which holds up better in reruns than just about any of the other shows--great depth, production values and supporting characters), but after that I think the shows have just become too juvenile and toothless. I don't compare them so much to each other as to any other dramatic series out there--why can't a Trek series be as sophisticated and dramatic as something like ER or NYPD Blue or anything else for that matter?I know people hate dredging up the original series, but that show was actually ahead of the curve of a lot of dramatic television at the time and that's why it was nominated as Best Dramatic Series. It was a ballsy show that really tried to grab and move the viewer--sometimes at the expense of being silly, but at least it tried. Voyager and Enterprise are just timid by comparison in my view--they're just afraid to do anything that might offend anyone and lose the franchise money. The irony is that in playing it safe they're already losing viewers.
posted 05-01-2002 03:42 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by JeffBond:
The irony is that in playing it safe they're already losing viewers....and picking up unsuspecting viewers like those I mentioned above. It may suffer as a result of the claims you've made, but at the same time, I think Enterprise has stepped "out of the box" a few times in both sexual appeal and language to break the DS9/VOY-trend. Is it whoring itself by giving in to these things? Maybe. The use of sex and language isn't a very complex concept. But I think it has given it an edge against its predecessors, considering today's audiences. Give it a couple more seasons... I think they're crafting a cool plot that in retrospect will be viewed as compelling as say... the last 3 seasons of DS9.
Jeron
[Message edited by Jeron on 05-01-2002]
posted 05-01-2002 03:51 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Good call Jeron...the Temporal Cold War plot thread is quite fascinating. I'm very interested to see where they go with it.For me, the edge brought to the dialogue makes for better acting. The episode where Tucker and Reed are stuck in the shuttle pod for the entire show believing that Enterprise had been destoyed gave us some great dialogue and excellent performances. It is the character interactions that make the show so compelling for me.
And...my wife, who has only had a mild interest in Star Trek loves the new show...I think we will see the fanbase grow over time.
posted 05-02-2002 07:46 AM PT (US) 
justin boggan

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I don't really enjoy the show, but i agree with you on the dialouge. It is better.
I thought T' pal was really going to shop him in that episode. Speaking crazy vulkan and whatnot.
posted 05-02-2002 08:45 AM PT (US) 
FOrbit
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It's interesting to see what people accept when the Star Trek name is attached to it.
And the music is sought after for the same reason.
There are hundreds of TV scores that are far more worthy of a release. The ENTERPRISE scores have been boring because the entire series has been boring.
Each episode has had a five-minute story stretched to fit an hour. The characters are weak and uninteresting. When they aren't whining, they're fighting with their shipmates over insignificant duties.
The captain gets his ass kicked in EVERY episode...even by a Ferengi!
And the main star in almost EVERY episode is FOOD. FOOD plays such a prominent roll in this lame series. If food was featured in TOS, it was interesting because finally you saw Kirk and the crew as human...now it's a bunch of boring crew members getting into uninteresting scrapes when they're NOT eating.
Very weak.
The original series beats ANY Trek series hands down. Hell, I'd be willing to watch an ENTERPRISE scene-for-scene rip off of the original series over the stuff I've been seeing on this new show.The weak writing is evidenced by long drawn-out camera views and pans that follow an actor from one end of a hallway to another or from the top of a ladder to the bottom. The whole show is just one long time killer.
I wanted to give it a chance and have been watching hoping for a shift in quality - but it's going the wrong way. Too bad.
I'll stick with Classic Trek reruns on the SciFi Channel.posted 05-02-2002 11:12 AM PT (US) 
JeffBond

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Well, I'm with FORBit, whoever he is. But having said that, I thought last night's episode wasn't all that bad--a little better written and directed than usual. And it actually had a SCORE in it (by Paul Baillargeon)!I like the IDEA of having rougher language and sex on Enterprise but I don't think it's worked out in reality--seriously, where's the "sex" been? We do get cheesecake with gratuitous scenes of T'Pol in a tank top or in the ludicrous scene in "Shadows of P'Jemm" where she's shoving her fake breasts in Archer's face due to them being tied up. But has anyone actually had sex yet? I think people got a LOT more action on the original show and there was just as much if not much more flesh on display. I just think the TONE of Voyager and Enterprise has been distinctly kiddie-oriented, afraid to offend, excite or frighten the way some of the earlier shows did--and that makes the occasional "adult" moments stick out awkwardly.
posted 05-02-2002 12:51 PM PT (US) 
FOrbit
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I think that you may be using the Star Trek curve to rate last night's show.I've been using it for years on the other Trek series. You aim low and expect nothing, so ANYTHING jumps out as being "okay."
You NEVER would have seen Kirk, Spock, and Bones hanging from tendrils for over 40 minutes in a Classic Trek episode - too much story would have prevented it.
I agree about the score, but it was too subdued. It should have been a slow, building tension piece to make us feel that the crew was running out of time, like in the days of Ron Jones on TNG. But it wasn't.
posted 05-02-2002 01:31 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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You are all too d*mn critical... geeesh. While we're on the topic of TOS, as the valiant Kirk once said in a moment of reality: "Get a life!"
LOL.[Message edited by Jeron on 05-02-2002]
posted 05-02-2002 02:15 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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What?!?!?! You mean I'll have to move out of my parents' basement? And get a job??!?!?!Oh the horrors!
That's it, I'm killing myself right now.
BTW Jeron old buddy, it wasn't "Kirk" who said that. It was Shatner in a spoof on SNL. Boy, talk about someone needing reality? Jeron, you better get out more.

Kevin
[Message edited by Kevin on 05-02-2002]
posted 05-02-2002 03:13 PM PT (US) 
JeffBond

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One of the advantages of writing about the entertainment industry for a living is I just don't have to get a life!
posted 05-02-2002 03:17 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Kevin:
BTW Jeron old buddy, it wasn't "Kirk" who said that. It was Shatner in a spoof on SNL. Boy, talk about someone needing reality? Jeron, you better get out more.
Aww, dude, why do you have to go and do something like that?? I know it was Shatner. But Shatner now owns the likeness of Kirk, and therefore their identities are virtually interchangeable. Sure, Shatner said "Get a life!" but it's mo' funny when Kirk says it.

posted 05-02-2002 03:18 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by JeffBond:
One of the advantages of writing about the entertainment industry for a living is I just don't have to get a life!Touché...
posted 05-02-2002 04:30 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Not that it matters but I thought TOS is still one of the sillier shows to grace the small screen. I love the films and the characters...but the show...no thanks.I'll take Enterprise.
posted 05-02-2002 05:15 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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But Quill, Jeff and FOrbit really, really like the silly stuff!
posted 05-02-2002 05:53 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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I've just taken a good look at this CD and find it super-odd there is no mention at all of "Star Trek" anywhere on the CD.I'm the world's smallest Star Trek fan, so I could really care less.... I just found it very very odd. Are the trekkies pissed, or is this a politically correct move?
posted 05-29-2002 11:35 PM PT (US) 
starblade

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by JeffBond:I like the IDEA of having rougher language and sex on Enterprise but I don't think it's worked out in reality--seriously, where's the "sex" been? We do get cheesecake with gratuitous scenes of T'Pol in a tank top or in the ludicrous scene in "Shadows of P'Jemm" where she's shoving her fake breasts in Archer's face due to them being tied up. But has anyone actually had sex yet? I think people got a LOT more action on the original show and there was just as much if not much more flesh on display. I just think the TONE of Voyager and Enterprise has been distinctly kiddie-oriented, afraid to offend, excite or frighten the way some of the earlier shows did--and that makes the occasional "adult" moments stick out awkwardly.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hoshi just got some........
And I think Tucker has said "sonofabitch" more times than all the other series and movies put together......
[Message edited by starblade on 05-30-2002]
posted 05-30-2002 04:14 AM PT (US) 
meegle
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Don't forget that the best season of VOYAGER was the first one as well. I hope ENTERPRISE doesn't drop off the map writing-wise like that series did.Anyway, I think that this is the best music I've EVER EVER heard from Dennis McCarthy (did he do GENERATIONS? Yuck!) Still with a bunch of monotony but a lot more "adventure".
posted 05-30-2002 08:12 AM PT (US) 
Jack

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As long as Porthos doesn't turn into Wesley Crusher,it's already got a leg up on the first two seasons of TNG.
posted 05-30-2002 04:03 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
