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Mark Hatfield
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Hello all.I’m typing this as quickly as my limited ability allows; a storm front has moved into The Valley Of The Sun, and I wanted to get this out before The Claw gets too achy to write.
I got to see a work print of THE SUM OF ALL FEARS tonight…..
….and it was very, very, very damned good.
I think that the movie opens late next month; I will certainly be seeing it again, and only partially out of the natural curiosity to note what changes have been made between tonight’s showing & its eventual release.
First off: much as I’d love to be more specific about all of the many reasons that I flat loved this movie, I really don’t want to create spoilers for anyone. So….
The performances were very good, particularly Morgan Freeman, Liev Schreiber (cast as Tom Clancy’s “fix it” man, John Clark, and surprisingly good in the role), and the actor portraying the newly-empowered Russian president (sorry, but I didn’t get his name – there were no end titles, and his name was not a familiar one in the otherwise powerhouse cast; he looks quite a bit like a thinner, more dour, somewhat younger Barry Corbin from WARGAMES and TV’s NORTHERN EXPOSURE). Ben Affleck acquits himself well in the Jack Ryan role - with one small caveat: it was weird to see fresh young Affleck being called DOCTOR Ryan. Yes, I KNOW many people acquire their Doctoral degree before age 30, and perhaps it’s just me; but it was distracting and sort of incongruous every time his character was referred to in that manner. Sorta like Will Smith as a high-powered attorney (!!!) in ENEMY OF THE STATE. For those worried that he is just too young for the role, period, I am not giving anything away to note that his character is far less advanced within the machinations of the CIA than he has been portrayed in all of the other filmic Tom Clancy adventures……less a seasoned expert than a knowledgeable, workaday office drone. This adds some believability relative to his age (as well as serving the improved youthful filmgoing demographic that the film’s creators and/or studio no doubt desired with this change; the film’s story, however, is resolutely intelligent and adult). Amanda Peet is OK as his girlfriend/wife-to-be, but I had some of the same believability issues with her – her character is supposed to be a second-year medical resident – and she didn’t really do anything spectacular with what is, admittedly, perhaps the smallest role in the film. James Cromwell and that fella that portrayed the crooked D.A. in L.A. CONFIDENTIAL (sorry, no name again) are pretty sharp. Additionally, it is always nice to see ANIMAL HOUSE’s erstwhile Daniel Simpson Day (“D-Day”), Bruce McGill, getting work.
I like a couple of this director’s other films, but nothing in either SNEAKERS or FIELD OF DREAMS prepared me for Phil Alden Robinson’s work in this movie. A really, really assured directorial effort here. He seems to be deft with his performers in drawing strong work out of them, and it would not surprise me at all to find that his reputation is one of being an “actor’s director”. This print was too early for me to speak definitively about either the editing or the photography (outside of my gripe with some bleached-print artsyness; can we PLEASE give this “trick” a rest?), but the story was well served by its visuals.
This was not temp-tracked with anything I could recognize; and, if my conversation after the screening with some of the people from the studio is on the level, the score as heard in the film is the release version (sans edits, of course). If this really is the case, get ready Jerry Goldsmith fans – this is a GREAT score! One track in particular, over a montage of action and a rendition of the national anthem, is as propulsive and compelling percussive as anything Jerry Goldsmith has done in two decades. TOTALLY neato.
I’m writing all this at least partially in hopes that more folks might be curious to see this film when it arrives. I think that it richly deserves some business. Unfortunately, both the movie’s subject matter/plot and some of the shocking events depicted will, in my opinion, limit its appeal and repeat business this close to the tragedy of September 11th. That would be too bad, because this is a very fine film.
Please go see it.
posted 04-25-2002 01:00 AM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Good deal, Mark.I've never been a huge fan of the Clancy films -- I think Red October is strangely overrated and haven't seen either of Ford's for many a year -- but I dig Affleck (!), and both Sneakers and Field of Dreams were extremely solid films.
I'm even more pumped for Goldsmith's score, but it must be said that I'm remaining a little pessimistic (as always) here, mainly because I was told by someone (you know who you are
) who heard Goldsmith's The Last Castle early how amazing it was. And it was, well, good -- let's leave it at that. 
Anyhow, good news. With this, Spider-man, Episode II, and that new Woody Allen movie next month, it should be a good time for us fans.
posted 04-25-2002 02:02 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Very cool, Mark. Thanks for the update. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the film in it's entirety. Like you, I had the opportunity to see quite a bit and was very impressed. Can't wait for the score. It's sure to be a winner!
posted 04-25-2002 02:23 AM PT (US) 
Boatnh8084

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That's music to my ears. I love the hunt, and while Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger may not have been as good, i still enjoy them quite a bit. Needless to say, the trailer for sum of all fears left me a little dissapointed. I'm not a big fan of Affleck, and he seemed kinda flat to me on screen. But this is good news, and i like good news. As for the new woody allen movie, i'm attending a screening tommorow, so i'll let you guys know what i think.
posted 04-25-2002 02:27 AM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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The run time on the print I saw was about two hours and twenty minutes; outside of color correction, end credits & the like, it seemed to be all of a piece.Fair bet that it'll lose about 20 minutes by May 31st; but I really don't know how that'll happen without truncating the narrative flow.
GOOD movie.
posted 04-25-2002 04:21 AM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Well as big Tom Clancy fan I'm relieved to here this news. I was so worried about the changes they were making to the character of Jack Ryan and how this film would be considerably different from the book.I love The Hunt For Red October and thought the other films were ok but this is indeed good news.
It's good to see you back on the board Mark.
posted 04-25-2002 06:53 AM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Caught the trailer today in the theatre, and wasn't too impressed. Hopefully it means nothing.On the other hand, I caught Changing Lanes today, and it once again proved why I like Affleck. Sure, he does some Hollywood trash (thanks to Mr. Bay), but his relationship with Kevin Smith has amounted to some great results, and here he proves that he can do drama as well.
The film was solid, though the last half a bit farfetched.. Overall, worth a watch.
posted 04-25-2002 02:26 PM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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Hopefully the trailer was a bit flat because they wisely decided NOT to give away too much - which would be a break from convention, these days.I know taste is a very subjective thing, so I can't guarantee your satisfaction with some promise to refund your money, or anything ('sides, I need my pennies for honeymoon in June!).
But it really is a far more polished and entertaining movie than I expected. I loved it. Hope you'll still give it a chance next month, man.
posted 04-25-2002 04:17 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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posted 04-25-2002 05:23 PM PT (US) 
Lorien
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quote:
Originally posted by Hasta:
With this, [b]Spider-man, Episode II, and that new Woody Allen movie next month, it should be a good time for us fans.[/B]The new Woody Allen movie. HOLLYWOOD ENDING. I's not bad. I skipped CURSE OF THE JADE SCORPION because everyone I knew said it was Woody on auto-pilot - in a very bad way. Truth be told, the same could be said of this one, but in a good way. It's no stand-out, like ANNIE HALL or MANHATTAN, but its a fair companion piece for the likes of MANHATTAN MURDER MYSTERY or SMALL TIME CROOKS. Nice, light, funny.
posted 04-26-2002 02:31 AM PT (US) 
Donovan448

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Not only do I hope that The Sum of All Fears is a good movie, I hope the soundtrack score is good too. Episode 2, Spiderman and The Sum of All Fears are on my list to see in the month of May. Surely, at least one of those movies is good. I will let you know in the "What Have You Seen In May" section.Hasta, I agree on your The Hunt For Red October opinion. I too think it is a little over rated. I hope Tom Clancy blows us away with this film.

DON
[Message edited by Donovan448 on 04-27-2002]
posted 04-26-2002 11:23 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Just got back from a screening of the film. It was MUCH better than I was expecting! Once you get past the whole "Jack Ryan is young" thing, and don't worry about the changes from the novel, it's really quite an engaging film.Goldsmith's score was just right for it - the main theme (from his song "If We Could Remember") is really really good, and the rest of the music was "typical Goldsmith", but QUALITY "typical Goldsmith". I found the use of SILENCE rather interesting too - it's nice to see a film that doesn't need wall-to-wall music, and give your ears a break to focus on the dialogue.
Dan
posted 05-28-2002 09:42 PM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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Thanks for posting that, Dan.Here's hoping that, between bad STAR WARS movies and good comic book adaptations, THE SUM OF ALL FEARS doesn't get lost in this season's theater shuffle.
posted 05-28-2002 10:33 PM PT (US) 
Bulldog
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I just cannot wait for this film, this score!
posted 05-29-2002 06:08 AM PT (US) 
miss tonya

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Woof-woof, Bulldog! Only SIX more days until the score is out!!!!!!!
posted 05-29-2002 08:43 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by dgoldwas:
I found the use of SILENCE rather interesting too - it's nice to see a film that doesn't need wall-to-wall music, and give your ears a break to focus on the dialogue.Dan
that's refreshing to hear regrading a contemporary movie like this. Of course the was the WAY in the early 70's to mid 80's. I think the entire first half hour of Papillion is scoreless as is the bulk of the three hour Patton. Imagine how much score would be shoe-horned into such a film if it were made today. Even documentary-style films such as Schindler's list and Saving Private Ryan had over an hour of score.
It's good to hear some restraint was exercised in Sum oof All Fears.
posted 05-29-2002 08:50 AM PT (US) 
piero2

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From Hollywood Daily Variety Review of THE SUM OF ALL FEARS:Reviewer Robert Koehler writes:
"Jerry Goldsmith's Score will especially bring joy to fans of his great '60s-era work"
When is the CD released? piero2
posted 05-29-2002 05:48 PM PT (US) 
miss tonya

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WOW, Piero!
I think that statement is very interesting. I think it was obviously written by someone who is very familiar with Goldsmith's work. Now, I REALLY can't wait! I ordered mine today. Tuesday won't come soon enough!!!!
posted 05-29-2002 05:51 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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I guess I'll believe it when I hear it... Ahh but I can't help but being excited about a new Goldsmith release.
posted 05-29-2002 06:52 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Gotta hand it to Brother Mark, he called it.GREAT film. Affleck was surprisingly good, Morgan Freeman played Morgan Freeman (and was superb as usual), and Liev Schreiber just kicks ass. Horrifying midsection of film. The scary thing is, this is probably going to happen, and it won't be a movie.
Dan was right, typical Goldsmith, but GOOD. The theme was great, and in one instance especially, it evoked The 13th Warrior. Waiting for the CD.
And Mark, hate to rain on your parade, bud, but that percussive version of the national anthem probably wasn't Goldsmith.
Shaun
P.S. Early in the film, did anyone catch the Sneakers reference? Great stuff!
[Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 05-31-2002]
posted 05-31-2002 09:01 PM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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YAY!Glad you liked it, man. The Lovely Laura and I are going to go catch it again tomorrow, in some small part out of curiousity over any changes from 6 weeks ago.
Again, glad you enjoyed it.
posted 05-31-2002 10:42 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
And Mark, hate to rain on your parade, bud, but that percussive version of the national anthem probably wasn't GoldsmithFrom the film's credits:
"The Star-Spangled Banner"
by Francis Scott Key & John Stafford Smith
Performed by Arnold McCuller
Produced by Greg WellsGoldsmith DID however have a hand in the recording of "Nessun Dorma".
Dan
posted 05-31-2002 10:44 PM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

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I saw this film last night (it's Saturday morning here) in a THX, Dolby Digital equipped theatre. I was blown away. What an incredible film that was. Robinson really needs to direct more films, because of the big three he's known for (Field of Dreams, Sneakers, and now this), I don't think any are bad. Goldsmith's score is one of his best in a few years, and definitely superior to anything since The 13th Warrior was released. I was deeply moved by the mightily impressive opening credit music, and can't wait to hear it on CD.As for the Star Spangled Banner in the film, damn, that was impressive. But, I noticed what Dan posted in the credits as well, wondering if Goldsmith had a hand in it. Perhaps he just wrote the percussion line, and it wasn't credited. Who knows...I'd LOVE to see it somewhere on the CD, but I doubt it'll be on it.
Mike
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posted 05-31-2002 11:06 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Dan, did he conduct it? What?Shaun
posted 06-01-2002 06:54 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
Dan, did he conduct it? What?No - Goldsmith produced the new recording of the song for the film. It was conducted by Lawrence Foster.
Dan
posted 06-01-2002 05:50 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Ah, I see now. Just got the disc. I hope that Goldsmith someday does a concert arrangement of the Main Title, as the film version keeps getting broken up. It'd be nice to have a full choral version of it.Just like in the film, it seems like Goldsmith ran out of inspiration toward the end. The first half is superb, though.
Oh, one more thing......anyone else notice the glitches? There's a REALLY bad one during the REALLY bad song (which doesn't really matter if you want the score, of course, but it's a really bad glitch to have in a professionally produced CD), and one toward the end of track 12.
Shaun
[Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 06-01-2002]
posted 06-01-2002 06:35 PM PT (US) 
SCimmerian
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THE SUM OF ALL BORING,ho hum, change everthing in the novel to be politically correct.Nothing interesting here at all, been there before dozens of times.Goldsmith score had about 3 min of intrest.Ben Afflect should find another line of work-maybe infomercials.Cool mushroom cloud though.Knowone to root for in this film as all of the protaganists are of the Statist/Collectivist variety of government thugs.Still why blowup Baltimore? How about D.C instead, it would of raised the intertainment value. Cool mushroom cloud.
posted 06-02-2002 02:50 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by SCimmerian:
Still why blowup Baltimore? How about D.C instead, it would of raised the intertainment value. Cool mushroom cloud.Well, in the book it was Denver - because of the Super Bowl. It was moved to Baltimore for plot - they could toss Ryan's girlfriend over there for drama. What you didn't get from the film was that it was the Super Bowl, which is why the President was going there.
You think putting it in DC would have increased the "intertainment" (sic) value? Doubtful... remember, this is based on a BOOK..... albeit, rather loosely.
Dan
posted 06-02-2002 02:57 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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quote:
Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
Oh, one more thing......anyone else notice the glitches? There's a REALLY bad one during the REALLY bad song (which doesn't really matter if you want the score, of course, but it's a really bad glitch to have in a professionally produced CD), and one toward the end of track 12.Shaun
[Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 06-01-2002]
There was actually something physically wrong with the CD I got. There's a skip right at the beginning of that second pop song. I just made a CDR of the score, dropped the first song and began with the mission. It's a pleasant listen.
posted 06-02-2002 03:36 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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The film was good and the score worked great with it. But on CD, I don't know. I didn't think the film needed a song at all.Good movie, everyone should see it.
--Brian
posted 06-02-2002 04:06 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
The film was good and the score worked great with it. But on CD, I don't know. I didn't think the film needed a song at all.Goldsmith and Robinson explained the genesis of the song at the SCL Film & TV music conference yesterday.
In a nutshell:
1. The original opening was temped with dramatic action stuff from CRIMSON TIDE.
2. Post 9/11, the music was changed (because Robinson felt the tone of the movie wasn't reflected properly by CRIMSON TIDE) to a piece from "Prayer Cycle" by Jonathan Elias.
3. Goldsmith decided to write an opening prayer, which he wrote the music for, and Paul Williams wrote the lyrics for.
4. That song was then translated into Latin by a lady in Greece
5. The result was the main titles.
How did it become a pop song?
6. Mark McKenzie (Goldsmith's orchestrator) suggested that the song would work well as a pop piece. Goldsmith and Robinson agreed.
7. Trevor Horn produced the new arrangement, and Yolanda Adams recorded the song.
viola!
Dan
posted 06-02-2002 06:03 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Ladies and gentleman, the goofball with too much time
--Bri
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posted 06-02-2002 06:05 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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There's also a glitch toward the close of "Empty Lab" or whatever track 12 is called.Why is it that Goldsmith albums are the ones that always have really obvious f*ck-ups in them? You never hear about any of the 12 Zimmer releases every year having glitches, but two Goldsmiths in a row......
Shaun
posted 06-02-2002 09:13 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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I have a hunch this sort of thing happens (at least in the case of The Edge and Last Castle) because the score is produced in such a damn hurry that there is just not enough time to do quality control. Since there's actually a scratch of some kind on my Sum disc, this may just be a bad run of discs, which can certainly happen. I remember ordering Dangerous Beauty for the store and having to return 3 or 4 copies because they all had physical defects on the discs, in exactly the same spot!
posted 06-02-2002 09:47 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
Ladies and gentleman, the goofball with too much time
Yeah, whatever Brian. Your objection to learning about what happens in film music is duely noted.
Dan
posted 06-02-2002 09:54 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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I don't object. I thought your post was very informative and much appreciated. Now, back to work, Goldwasser!!
posted 06-02-2002 10:19 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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This movie must be a good comedy.
I mean, CIA agents as good guys???Only J. Goldsmith could force me to watch such preposterous movie!!
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