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Dinko Oscar® Winner	Sorry, this is another Star Wars thread. If you are allergic to Star Wars, click on "Back" button. Bought Star Wars 2 this morning. Other than being hit on the head by how great Williams' score is, I take back all I've said about Shawn Murphy's crummy recordings of late (think AI and it's muddy sound). Star Wars 2 has depth, clarity. It's near and focused, yet 'concerty' and 'dispersed' enough not to sound as claustrophobic as the Star Wars 1 recording. And, there are all the little subtle elements of Williams' music which can be heard. Solo vocalists and instruments, little themes and motifs... all there, and you don't need a superexpensive audio system to hear them. Williams may have composed a great score, but Murphy outdid himself on this one.
posted 04-23-2002 04:05 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Now that's great news! I was hoping that Williams might have used Rhodes again and the sound would be great, but great sound by Murphy is even better. Perhaps he got himself a new set of ears? NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #7 (Münchner Philharmoniker, Sergiu Celibidache)
posted 04-23-2002 04:48 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Glad to hear this, Dinko. I'll be sure to pick a copy up tomorrow at Target. (Sorry Peter )
posted 04-23-2002 07:20 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	Phantom Menace never sounded bad. AOTC is more closely miked than TPM, but TPM is also much more of a lush, denser score, no doubt requiring different engineering solutions (I assume 3 years of engineering progress probably help a lot, too, but I don't know what they use for that).
posted 04-23-2002 10:55 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: Phantom Menace never sounded bad. Not very good though, either. Too loud, not enough detail. NP: Hector Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique (LSO, Sir Colin Davis)
posted 04-24-2002 12:42 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	I hear everything just fine...
posted 04-24-2002 01:34 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: I hear everything just fine... The medication the doctors gave you seems to be working then, eh JJ?
posted 04-24-2002 04:03 PM PT (US)

Spicy Ramen Oscar® Winner	None of my Star Wars scores sound muddy or muffled. Perhaps it might be your speaker system or earphones.
posted 04-24-2002 04:04 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: I hear everything just fine... The basses in the main title? (The bit that was played by timpani in the original SW main title). You CAN hear it, but barely. But TPM is a lot better than Murphy's other recent jobs. NP: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Ennio Morricone)
posted 04-24-2002 04:07 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Spicy Ramen: None of my Star Wars scores sound muddy or muffled. Perhaps it might be your speaker system or earphones. Jedi is muffled, the Anthology release sounds better. I doubt it's my system, it cost enough. As I said, in the case of TPM, it's mostly that they're playing so loudly, many of the details are buried. But not nearly as much as in other recent Murphy recordings, like A.I. or Call of the Champions. Summon the Heroes, now that's the Murphy sound I like. NP: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Ennio Morricone)
posted 04-24-2002 04:11 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	yes, Jedi is awful sounding. we agree, Marian! yipee!
posted 04-25-2002 01:13 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Well, I just made my first purchase at the only Target store in Maine. I have to agree that the recording done by Murphy is way above some of his past output. Like JJH said, it sounds more closely miked, revealing details not often heard in other Murphy recordings. While doing this, the recording still manages to retain the sound of the room... "concerty," as Dinko put it. Thumbs up!
posted 04-25-2002 07:01 PM PT (US)

Spicy Ramen Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: yes, Jedi is awful sounding. we agree, Marian! yipee! Hm....I'm gonna have to go back and relisten to it then.
posted 04-25-2002 08:18 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Well, I just picked it up, and for only €13.79 (that's $12.36!)! The cover is the standard movie poster (they had the Fett cover as well, but I thought it looked stupid), but there's a sticker on it saying "Includes Exlusive Bonus Track On The Conveyor Belt - Collect All Four Covers While Supplies Last". Now I want to be sure that I really have the bonus track, but as I said above I don't want to listen to the score yet. I don't want to read the tracklisting either, but I saw that it has 13 tracks (why do so many Williams albums have exactly 13 tracks?), and OTCB is NOT among them. Can anyone tell me how to check if I have the track - CD length or number of tracks (should it have 14 tracks, or is it tagged at the end of track #13)? Now the tempation begins... [Message edited by Marian Schedenig on 04-26-2002]
posted 04-26-2002 06:16 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Marian on my cd it's not listed but there is a seperate track 14. Plus check the CD number. If it says SK89965 then you have the bonus track on it. [Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 04-26-2002]
posted 04-26-2002 06:42 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Duh. I had written down the "good" and "bad" catalogue numbers from JWFan just to forget about them. Thanks! SK 89965, and 14 tracks - yippie! To find that out, I had to place the CD in my player...all I would have needed to do was to press the "Play" button... Also, the DVD player made very strange noises, I just hope it can play the disc (with the copyrightprotection and all). NP: Not AOTC
posted 04-26-2002 10:14 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	My copy certainly doesn't have copy protection. Who the hell started that rumor anyway?
posted 04-26-2002 07:53 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	There's a white box in the bottom right corner of my CD's cover that says "will NOT play on PC/MAC". And I suppose the strange sounds my player's drive made come from this protection. (It reads DVDs, audio CDs, MP3 CDs and (S)VCDs, so I guess it might have a standard computer drive built in or at least something similar).
posted 04-27-2002 04:18 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Someone said only Eurocopies have the anti-copy thing. Like the latest Céline Dion album.
posted 04-27-2002 06:09 AM PT (US)

Philipp Oscar® Winner	Well, that´s not too much a loss when you can´t copy a Dion album Philipp np: swing kids (james horner)
posted 04-30-2002 02:28 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Yeah, mine has that 'bonus'14th track, what I don't understand is why they didn't place this amongst the rest of the score and then let the end credits play us out?!...'bonus'...more like bogus! Good score but I DIDN'T like Murphy's recording!...not as bad as A.I. but not great either. NP : Englishman Who Went Up A Hill etc etc - Endelman...very good it is too
posted 04-30-2002 05:29 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	...and is that Vaughan Williams Symphony Antartica at the begining of track 13 or what?
posted 04-30-2002 05:31 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Yeah, it's not bad, but not overly impressive either. It still sounds "hollow" like many of Murphy's better-sounding discs from the last years. But who of you has one of the copy-proteced discs? I get noises in some tracks that sound like tape hiss (e.g. in track #6, or in track #2, but it's much deeper there). I wonder if this is the recording or the protection mechanism. In either case, I find it rather annoying. NP: Attack of the Clones (John Williams)
posted 05-21-2002 05:40 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Roger Feigelson was complaining recently about the hiss on the ATOC album in his "Pick of the Week." I personally haven't noticed the hiss, but maybe I'm not listening close enough. And if I did hear the hiss and complained about it, I'm sure somebody would have complained about my complaining. In other news... Cheap pen cracks 'copy-proof' CD. It appears some "copy-proof" mechanisms can be overcome by simply blacking them out with a permanent marker. I guess at the outer edge of the disc contains a corrupt data track which is what confuses some CD-ROM/DVD players. Ooh, don't throw me in jail! [Message edited by jonathan_little on 05-21-2002]
posted 05-21-2002 07:11 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by jonathan_little: Roger Feigelson was complaining recently about the hiss on the ATOC album in his "Pick of the Week." Was that the copy-protected disc or an unprotected one? And I don't really feel like painting my CDs... NP: Sibelius: Serenade #2 (Bournemouth SO, Berglund)
posted 05-22-2002 08:38 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	I have a feeling it was an unprotected one, since Roger is in the USA.
posted 05-22-2002 11:47 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	So it's Murphy and not the copy protection...
posted 05-22-2002 01:46 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	A good test of how bad the sound is for this recording (and pretty much every other film score recording from the last 7 years or so) is to make a compilation disc. Put on "Jango's Escape" and then follow it with "Hollywood Blvd Chase" from Lethal Weapon. Keep the volume at a normal level and be prepared to change your diaper when the Lethal Weapon cue begins. Damned digital recording technology, Shaun
posted 05-22-2002 03:01 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Huh? I don't have Lethal Weapon, but I assume you mean it's recorded louder? The Chapter III version of El Cid is recorded wicked loud, but I wouldn't call it a fantastic recording because of that.
posted 05-22-2002 06:00 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	I understand what you mean, man, but the Lethal Weapon is recorded WELL. Attack Of The Clones isn't. You shouldn't have to increase the volume 10dbs for Clones, but you do. Didn't Elfman used to use Murphy for his recordings? Now he uses Sands........I wonder why........ Anyway, Shaun
posted 05-22-2002 07:55 PM PT (US)

SkyMakers Oscar® Nominee	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford: [B]I understand what you mean, man, but the Lethal Weapon is recorded WELL. Attack Of The Clones isn't. You shouldn't have to increase the volume 10dbs for Clones, but you do. You're talking about levels that are finalize in Mastering. Perhaps you need to blame the Mastering Engineer. AOTC have an incredible amounts of his, and I am opt to blame the mastering engineer for it. But, I don't want to release Shawn Murhpy of no responsibility also, until the facts are laid out. Perhaps he didn't know about it.
posted 05-23-2002 12:12 PM PT (US)

Nicolai P. Zwar Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: [B] But who of you has one of the copy-proteced discs? I get noises in some tracks that sound like tape hiss (e.g. in track #6, or in track #2, but it's much deeper there). I wonder if this is the recording or the protection mechanism. In either case, I find it rather annoying. Told you so. (Sorry, I couldn't resist. I still refuse to buy those §$*'#§! copy protected abominations that shouldn't even dare to carry the red book seal!)
posted 05-23-2002 02:24 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Nicolai P. Zwar: Told you so. I know, but since Intrada also noticed it, it might not be connected to the copy protection. Plus it's a constant hiss (sort of tape-hiss like, as I said above), which isn't really what I would expect copy protection side effects to sound like. quote: *(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I still* refuse to buy those §$'#§! copy protected abominations that shouldn't even dare to carry the red book seal!)* To be fair, Sony don't use the red book seal (or the CDDA logo) for AOTC (they didn't even use it for TPM). But copy protection is still crap. NP: Attack of the Clones (John Williams)
posted 05-23-2002 04:52 PM PT (US)

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