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Topic: Caught....PLEASE Forgive me!!!!

Maestro Sartori

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Yes....PeterK is right. Please allow me to explain.I think I've mentioned before that I am a writer. I came up with a story idea so strange and wild, I felt I needed to do heavy research on it. Without revealing the storyline, I wanted to test the effects on personality disorders, by "creating" a new identity that my character wouldn't have a clue about.
I'm sorry that I used your emotions, but I wanted to see what this "character's" effect would have on people. Please understand that I didn't do it to hurt or to harm. I know I made a mistake in doing this experiment, but I couldn't see a way to find out how the "girl" and the "guy" could co-exist, if it didn't appear on the surface as genuine.
Again, my sincerest apologies for this. I still love moviemusic, and always frequent this site for news on great scores and composers.
The experiment just ended sooner than I realised and many questions were answered for my research.
For instance, I've just learned a lot more about computers, PeterK, than I ever thought was possible. Thank you for straightening me out.
If this little episode has ostracised me.... I am truly sorry. It was never my intent to hurt anyone.
Most Sincerely,
Jon Christopher
P.S. I don't know Ace. He's for real.
posted 04-22-2002 11:04 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Thank you, Jon. Apology accepted by me. Thanks for not wasting untold hours (days) of my time trying to disprove the obvious.On to business as usual....
Let Dantoris/Dex be forever remembered so we don't have to go through this yet again....
posted 04-22-2002 11:07 PM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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And The People Said Amen.posted 04-22-2002 11:29 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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...and Scott says...great that Mark is back...(getting repetitive huh?)
Scottposted 04-23-2002 12:07 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Yeah, thanks for clearing this up J.C.And gosh darnit Scott- YES! It is good to see Hatfield back in play. Now, if the bugger would ever e-mail me... I'd be a truly happy person.

Jeron
posted 04-23-2002 12:12 AM PT (US) 
Dave

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What the hell?NP - Symphonic Floyd
posted 04-23-2002 12:17 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Another exciting episode of the moviemusic.com adventures!! Tune in next time!!Jz
posted 04-23-2002 06:05 AM PT (US) 
Kimiakane

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
Yeah, thanks for clearing this up J.C.And gosh darnit Scott- YES! It [b]is good to see Hatfield back in play. Now, if the bugger would ever e-mail me... I'd be a truly happy person.

Jeron[/B]
Speaking of e-mails, Jeron, my home computer "died" on 3/26/02 and have had no access to it (my e-mail account) since then. It went in to Gateway then, came back once, and went back in the next day, and it's supposed to come back tomorrow (almost a whole month!!! I just though you should know if you've sent me any e-mails, you'll know why I haven't answered...sigh.

posted 04-23-2002 06:43 AM PT (US) 
Ace
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quote:
Originally posted by Maestro Sartori:
P.S. I don't know Ace. He's for real.Thanks for adding that in. Yes, I'm quite real. Wait.... Oh, never mind, I'm real

Ace
posted 04-23-2002 07:35 AM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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This is why message boards are totally pathetic.Isn't this exactly the defense Dantoris used?
Has it somehow become "cool" to pretend to be someone else? Any time you guys see that a female has announced themselves on this board, you start e-drooling all over them (TimT should be ashamed of himself.....and not just for this, just in general). And when you find out the truth, you shouldn't be saying, "Oh hey, that's cool. We appreciate that we have been humiliated by a man pretending to be a woman." Think of it this way: you can't retract ejaculate.
People who do this have deep-seeded emotional issues and want.....NEED attention any way they can get it. Some people kill for attention, some people pretend to be a woman on a film score message board. Either way, it's totally disgusting.
PeterK, get this lame-o outta my yard.
Shaun
posted 04-23-2002 08:07 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Thumbs down for the excuse. Don't bother using internet message boards as research for writing material. If you want to conduct genuinely good research and produce quality work as a writer, go out and get a life. If you want to converse with fellow film music fans, hang out here.[Message edited by Al on 04-23-2002]
posted 04-23-2002 08:11 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Also, I'll have to argue against Shaun's statement of ejaculate retraction.
posted 04-23-2002 08:15 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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What AL said.Though I'm still not 100% sure exactly what's going on.
posted 04-23-2002 08:16 AM PT (US) 
Kimiakane

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quote:
Originally posted by Camillu:
I'm still not 100% sure exactly what's going on.
Creepy gender-switching role-play by a member (see above), and it isn't the first time this has happened.
posted 04-23-2002 09:01 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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What is it with this board and people who wish to conduct psychological experiments? Everybody wants to study the film score fan for some reason. I know our musical tastes aren't the norm, but damn, what makes us so freaking special to be the target of this sort of thing not once, but TWICE!Damnit.
posted 04-23-2002 09:09 AM PT (US) 
Kimiakane

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Our buddy, Andre Lux, did it once also...but it was in an upfront and way-too-obvious manner so to say it was deceptive would be exagerating on what was a joke persona of his. Hi, Andre!Gala

posted 04-23-2002 10:06 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I'm Spartacus!NP: Ed Wood (Howard Shore)
posted 04-23-2002 10:12 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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I agree with our resident Ass/Retard the Shaun'ster, every time this shite happens it becomes that little bit harder to accept new 'faces' as legitamit posters and insults those of us who welcome them with open arms....and to those of you who "e-drool" as Shaun put it, "go out and find a real life flesh n'blood woman fer cripes sake!"

posted 04-23-2002 10:36 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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...and Mark H, your input is much missed around here, lets hear more from you ol'buddy!
posted 04-23-2002 10:40 AM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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quote:
Originally posted by Maestro Sartori:
P.S. I don't know Ace. He's for real.All is forgiven but I think you owe Ace an apology. Your little stunt forced me to question his legitimacy.
That said, Ace - sorry to doubt you. My initial welcome still stands.
Rochelle
posted 04-23-2002 10:46 AM PT (US) 
Philipp

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Jon Christopher? Not that Jon Christopher of The Tripods and The Watcher fame??Philipp
posted 04-23-2002 11:35 AM PT (US) 
Ken S

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So, "Maestro",
was it just Belinda or would you really be interested in a MR CDR ?
KEN,
who doesn't "drool" on anybody (except Jen Connelly) and yet would have e-mailed to "Hollywood Girl" politely if this revelation wouldn't have happened...posted 04-23-2002 11:37 AM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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I'm with Shaun and the others here denouncing this gender-bending bullshit.My problem is NOT some wretched homophobia-as-empty-morality; those who know me would, I think, confirm this.
Here's my primary problem:
It is an ugly abuse of the anonymity afforded by the Internet. Now, I'm not arguing for some compulsory registration of ACTUAL names, with attached birth certificates, etc. But this is vile. Shaun was more profane and somewhat derogatory about the sequence of events, but it goes like this: "woman" signs up/on; leaves a "Notice Me!" post, perhaps with a picture from one of the better Target or JC Penney catalogs; people do notice It, and respond with enthusiasm and warmth (and a bit of desperation - kinda sad). Then "woman" turns out to be a dude that's been here, and It was either "conducting an experiment" or, more sadly, runs the ruse and refuses to budge from the position that It is actually a lying ****o.
With that as preamble, The Problem: the It in question IS USING THE BEST NATURES OF FINE AND WARM PEOPLE AGAINST THEM, AND IS TAKING VICARIOUS PLEASURE IN THIS VERY THING.
Sorry, folks, but I find that inarguable. Kudos to PK for airing it out so quickly this time. That thing with the infamous "Dex" It left wanting to laugh and cry in turn.
And Yes, the "experiment" gambit is EXACTLY the defense offered up by weaklings in the past. It doesn't wash. Were this argument to be taken at face value, it is AT BEST an unconscionable abuse of the trust of good people who were willing to extend it. At its worst - and the smart money leans to this latter - it is a feeble, masturbatory manipulation of others from afar by maladjusted sorts without the courage to try something like this with people who can demand and effect some sort of redress in person.
Cowardly and shameful. I have MANY faults, guys, to be sure. I can rush to judgement, and have done so with folks in this forum, to my shame and regret. But I am a WYSIWYG person; I just wish we could trust some of the others here to be the same.
posted 04-23-2002 11:55 AM PT (US) 
JeffBond

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I don't know how you people can get so bent out of shape over a man posing as a woman--that's gotta be the basis for at least seventy five percent of all Internet-based discourse! Deprive men of the right to pose as women and you're threatening the fundamental values of faceless, sociopath-encouraging anonymity that is the Internet's bread and butter!And as for the "experiment"...I judge it an unqualified success! Put a "woman" in a room full of men and just watch the fireworks...
posted 04-23-2002 12:06 PM PT (US) 
Al

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quote:
Posted by JeffBond: And as for the "experiment"...I judge it an unqualified success! Put a "woman" in a room full of men and just watch the fireworks...Who the hell would actually need an experiment to prove that?
For a real man, it's already common knowledge.
posted 04-23-2002 12:23 PM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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Writing good STAR TREK music books doesn't entitle you to be sarcastic here, Mr. Bond.FYI, guys -- he goes by "P. Galore" elsewhere.
posted 04-23-2002 12:27 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by Kimiakane:
Our buddy, Andre Lux, did it once also...but it was in an upfront and way-too-obvious manner so to say it was deceptive would be exagerating on what was a joke persona of his. Hi, Andre!Gala

No, no. I did that just to be able to post on a board from which I was banned. Just that. I wasn't conducting any stupid experiment. I was just mocking those people.
posted 04-23-2002 12:47 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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What a shame, she was much better looking than Dex.
posted 04-23-2002 03:46 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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HATFIELD!!!!!You are alive!! And well too I hope. You were Atlas with the whole weight of the world on your shoulders at one point. Please stick around now that you're back.
posted 04-23-2002 09:54 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I’ve always wondered if a woman poster has ever tried to pass as a male?
Nah, don’t worry PeterK. I’m not that desperate for electronic social
discourse.(This doesn't refer to Maestro, but overall, I don't like multiple personalities on boards.)
Lately, I’ve quit welcoming people to the board because about 90% of them
disappear after one or two posts. I don’t like multiple identities from a single
person because I feel “toyed with.” “I’ll be Dr. Jekyell to several posters for
a while and then turn into Mr. Hyde...welcome to my home said the spider to the
fly.” It’s dishonest and at times cruel.
And it is often very sad and pathetic to need so very much attention.“Attention..attention must be paid to such a man.” NOT.
posted 04-24-2002 09:20 AM PT (US) 
Kimiakane

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Too true, Joan. Has anyone noticed that there are more new identities popping up than ever before? Not just here but at the other big two boards also.Are there really that many new fans of soundtracks joining up, or are there just a few fellows creating multiple names a la old what's-his-name? Ewwwwe, probably best not to think about it. I think I'll just follow your lead, Joan, and wait to say "hi" after they've established themselves as someone I might really want to know. Why does that make me feel bad, though?
Gala

NP: Rhapsody in Blue by Gershwin (Fantasia 2000)
posted 04-24-2002 06:35 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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quote:
Originally posted by Kimiakane:
I think I'll just follow your lead, Joan, and wait to say "hi" after they've established themselves as someone I might really want to know.You're getting into a Catch-22 area with that reasoning (although I can see why you would want to be "cautious").
If you hold off on welcoming someone to the site, perhaps the person (who is a real fan and wants intelligent discussion on film music) will think they aren't welcome, and then leave. They will find somewhere else to park their opinions, and will speak badly of the "unfriendly atmosphere at mm.com."
Conversely, if you welcome them right away, perhaps you've convinced someone to stay who will add to the discussions. Either way you're taking a chance.
Sure, JC had us fooled with his little stunt. But anonymity and "posing" are a oart of internet life.
I welcomed "Hollywood Girl" just like I welcome everyone (if I remember to). Not just because of "hey, there's a new chick here." Heck, I email both the ladies and the guys here regularly.
Remember the wise words: "It's nothing personal. It's strictly business."
Kevin
posted 04-24-2002 08:25 PM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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I don't think there's too much too worry about since there will always be a welcoming committee here. But once the newbie euphoria wears off its up to the new member to have some longevity in this place.Rochelle
posted 04-24-2002 10:51 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
