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Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	There's that little rumbling noise in the opening and closing titles of the Young Sherlock Holmes score, and I've always been wondering what that sound is. I even asked for it at this board once. And what do I have to read in Broughton's liner notes for the promo? And that odd sound that accompanies the opening of the main title? It's one of those ponderables easily solved by some deductive reasoning. But like Holmes' riddle to Watson about the white bear, the answer won't be given here. You'll just have to figure it out. D'oh! NP: Night Crossing (Jerry Goldsmith)
posted 04-17-2002 03:54 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	It sounds like the orchestra rumbling their chairs.... I know John Ottman did something like that in SNOW WHITE: A TALE OF TERROR.... Dan PS - I'm sure Jeron will chime in just because of that topic title! Yowza Marian!
posted 04-17-2002 03:57 PM PT (US)

Good King Harry Oscar® Winner	It's just thunder, isn't it? That's what I've always thought.
posted 04-17-2002 03:59 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Good King Harry: It's just thunder, isn't it? That's what I've always thought. You mean Broughton is the god of thunder and can summon thunderstorms at will? NP: Wes Craven's New Nightmare (J. Peter Robinson)
posted 04-17-2002 04:04 PM PT (US)

Erik Woods Oscar® Winner	I forgot where I read this but the rumble noise is the string sections tapping their bows against their chairs or their empty instrument cases. I forgot which one it is... I've gone through almost every piece of film music literature I have in my apartment and I still can't find where I got this info from... but trust me, it's bows tapping against something. Erik [Message edited by Erik Woods on 04-18-2002]
posted 04-17-2002 07:59 PM PT (US)

Good King Harry Oscar® Winner	Not to appear dense here, but what is the big mystery? Why couldn't it just be recorded thunder? (Occam's razor and all that.) Am I missing something?
posted 04-17-2002 10:56 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Good King Harry: Not to appear dense here, but what is the big mystery? Why couldn't it just be recorded thunder? (Occam's razor and all that.) Am I missing something? Well, it's NOT recorded thunder. It was recorded live on the scoring stage as part of the orchestra. So the "big mystery" is exactly HOW did they do it. Ottman had the orchestra rattle their chairs. Other people have used their bows to rap on their instruments. Dan
posted 04-17-2002 11:15 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	it sounds for all the world like the orchestra (well, those NOT playing) banging their feet on the floor to make that scuffling sound. NP -- not YSH
posted 04-17-2002 11:40 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: I'm sure Jeron will chime in just because of that topic title! Yowza Marian! Ooooh, Marian. The things I could say. I'll see if I can't find out what the "rumbling" is. I've been wondering myself. I would venture to say JJ's suggestion is probably correct. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 04-18-2002]
posted 04-18-2002 12:55 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Yeah, JJ's/Dan's or Erik's suggestions sound very much like it. Your Harryness: It's easy why we don't think it's recorded thunder - it doesn't sound like thunder. NP: Young Sherlock Holmes (Bruce Broughton and the Chair Rattlers)
posted 04-18-2002 10:09 AM PT (US)

Marc Flake Oscar® Winner	Geez, don't you guys ever watch the movie? That rumbling is the sound of a sleigh on ice. And you'll have to watch the credits all the way through to the end to find out who is riding in the sleigh.
posted 04-18-2002 03:20 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marc Flake: Geez, don't you guys ever watch the movie? That rumbling is the sound of a sleigh on ice. Umm.... no, that would be a sound effect, and not part of the score. And the sleigh doesn't show up until the End Credits - and we're talking about the Main Title here...... Dan
posted 04-18-2002 03:31 PM PT (US)

Marc Flake Oscar® Winner	The rumble in the main title is a carriage going over cobblestone streets. It is carrying young master Watson. These rumbles are sound effects placed into the score.
posted 04-18-2002 03:45 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marc Flake: These rumbles are sound effects placed into the score. <sigh> I am gonna give up now. But for the last time, no, they are created by the orchestra. (We're just trying to nail down the actual method - since there are multiple ways of doing so.) Dan
posted 04-18-2002 03:50 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Plus the sound is the same in the main titles and end credits. And it's synched with the rest of the music.
posted 04-18-2002 04:11 PM PT (US)

Marc Flake Oscar® Winner	Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa. Listened to the soundtrack and watched the movie recently. The rumbling has nothing to do with what is going on in the opening and closing scenes. They are not sound effects. An incredibly senior moment. My take -- it wasn't the whole orchestra drumming their feet, it was probably just one section. We did something similar in high school band. The director just chose and appropriate section that wasn't playing (trombones for one passage and flutes for another) to provide the effect he was seeking. But, I'm wondering WHY he put it in the music.
posted 06-09-2002 05:40 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Maybe someone here can find out, Marc.
posted 06-09-2002 09:35 AM PT (US)

Good King Harry Oscar® Winner	quote: Well, it's NOT recorded thunder. It was recorded live on the scoring stage as part of the orchestra. Says who? quote: <sigh> I am gonna give up now. But for the last time, no, they are created by the orchestra. <sigh> I repeat, says who? Why are you so positive about this unless you know for sure how they were done (which you obviously don't).
posted 06-09-2002 01:57 PM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	It definitely isn't thunder, it's too percussive for that and a close listen with a set of headphones will reveal a slew of rapid tap-tap-tappings. To me it's obviously an instrumental technique, and the theory that it's bows being struck against instrument cases makes perfect sense. However, I still contend that in addition to the bows there's also a "rumble" or "crash" box being used. Essentially, it's a medium-sized wooden box into which a material is placed, such as rocks or metal objects, which will give the desired effect when the crank on the box is turned. A box filled with rocks, such as I believe this to be, will give the effect of thunder and this, Good King Harry, may be what sounds to you like thunder.
posted 06-09-2002 07:36 PM PT (US)

Good King Harry Oscar® Winner	quote: . . . may be what sounds to you like thunder. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck . . . [Message edited by Good King Harry on 06-10-2002]
posted 06-10-2002 07:44 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	It doesn't sound like thunder AT ALL.
posted 06-10-2002 08:29 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: It doesn't sound like thunder AT ALL. Well, maybe that is what thunder sounds like in Good King Harry's Magical Kingdom? Dan
posted 06-10-2002 09:33 AM PT (US)

Leonardotdragon Oscar® Nominee	Whoever said it was the orchestra "rumbling in their chairs" is correct. I'm a string player and it's a common thing for musicians to applaud the soloist my rumbling their feet on the stage floor. It's also a very cool effect that's been used in 20th Century music-- film music included. It's low-tech, cheap, and doesn't cause any damage to the instruments-- whereas tapping bows on stands can damage the varnish as well as the stick itself! Hope this helps! Leo
posted 06-10-2002 10:54 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Leonardotdragon: I'm a string player and it's a common thing for musicians to applaud the soloist my rumbling their feet on the stage floor. The Gustav Mahler Jugendorchester did the same for conductor Franz Welser-Möst after their performance of Bruckner's 8th in Vienna a ew months ago. They were even louder than the audience.
posted 06-10-2002 11:50 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	After getting frustrated with this thread, I just emailed Bruce himself and asked. here is his reply: quote: All the string players were instructed to tap on the body of their instruments. Easy, huh? Bruce That should take care of everyone. Dan
posted 06-10-2002 04:27 PM PT (US)

jeffy unregistered	<bows to the Almighty Dan>
posted 06-10-2002 04:33 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Don't you mean man-god, Jeffy?
posted 06-10-2002 07:56 PM PT (US)

Good King Harry Oscar® Winner	Well, Bruce ought to know. At last we have the definitive answer. Sounded like thunder to me (as I assume it was intended to), but what do I know? It also sounded to me like there were some rude people responding to this thread, but I could be wrong. [Message edited by Good King Harry on 06-10-2002]
posted 06-10-2002 08:10 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner
posted 06-11-2002 06:42 AM PT (US)

Marc Flake Oscar® Winner	THANK YOU, Dan. I know I contributed to your frustration and apologize for it. Did he mention WHY he did it? He must have been trying to convey a feeling with this technique. Was it meant to represent thunder? OOPS, did it again, didn't I? Sorry [Message edited by Marc Flake on 06-11-2002]
posted 06-11-2002 07:12 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Don't you mean man-god, Jeffy? Oooohhh - you're gonna get it for that one!! Dan
posted 06-11-2002 08:11 AM PT (US)

jeffy unregistered	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by dgoldwas: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Jeron: [b]Don't you mean man-god, Jeffy? <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Oooohhh - you're gonna get it for that one!! Dan[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Maybe Jeron's dyslexic. He meant "god-man." [Message edited by jeffy on 06-11-2002]
posted 06-11-2002 09:50 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by jeffy: Maybe Jeron's dyslexic. He meant "god-man." no.... Jeron is referring to my first AICN article where Harry Knowles called me a "man-god"... eesh! Dan
posted 06-11-2002 09:57 AM PT (US)

Joey168943 Oscar® Winner	{{{"You mean Broughton is the god of thunder and can summon thunderstorms at will? "}}} "God of Thunder" is one of my favorite KISS songs. I like it because it's when Gene Simmons spits blood and then breathes fire. KISS is cool. Joey
posted 06-11-2002 10:17 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	::sigh:: "man-god" LOL (whatever....) --Brian
posted 06-11-2002 10:18 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Does this thread prove there's a lack of deductive reasoning here? I think it does.... yes, "young" Sherlock Holmes is appropriate.
posted 06-11-2002 12:05 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I did like Brad's Rock Box thing.... funky! I'd like to see one in action.
posted 06-11-2002 12:15 PM PT (US)

johnm1019 Oscar® Nominee	Wow ya'll are stupid... 100 bucks says he didn't email the composer... heck if i played in an orchestra like that and had a nice instrument (as im assuming they all have real nice ones considering its there jobs) i wouldn't tap it with anything short of a feather.
posted 06-08-2003 12:07 AM PT (US)

perfpitch Oscar® Winner	Actually, it was just an overdubbed track from the score to 1983's RUMBLE FISH.
posted 06-08-2003 01:02 AM PT (US)

EarthAngel Oscar® Nominee	quote: Originally posted by johnm1019: heck if i played in an orchestra like that and had a nice instrument (as im assuming they all have real nice ones considering its there jobs) i wouldn't tap it with anything short of a feather. Actually, I recently attended a concert at which Young Sherlock Holmes was performed (with Bruce conducting) and the performers did in fact all tap their instruments at the begining of the piece.
posted 06-08-2003 02:38 AM PT (US)

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