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Graham Watt Oscar® Winner	Can anyone fill me in as regards the legal status of Tsunami? Are they complete bootleggers or only semi? I don't buy boots as a rule, but you know what it's like when you go to the corner shop and see COOL HAND LUKE staring out at you from amongst the cabbages. So I got it, and I'm happy with it. That's actually the third or fourth Tsunami I've got, and I'll continue to get them if I see them poking out from under a pile of veg, but I'd never order them specifically. Should I be giving them my support? Second question: What's the connection, if any, between Tsunami and the Best label? I've got a few Bests too, and they're pretty bad. Makes Tsunami look like FSM. I won't be getting any more of those. Third question: If it's morally okay to go ahead and get more Tsunami's, which ones would you recommend? LAND OF THE PHAROAHS was looking very lonely all by itself in a crate of tomatoes, but I let it go. And that's why I'm here, asking your opinions! Thanking you!
posted 04-07-2002 02:34 PM PT (US)

Beatty Oscar® Winner	Non of the Tsunami disks have been satisfactory. They are maybe not the most venal sort of bootlegger but their product is nothing special at all. Mighty amateur overall. And there's the whole bootleg issue.
posted 04-07-2002 03:01 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I think they're semi boots. Apparently they're legal in Germany but illegal elsewhere - or so I've read. I HIGHLY recommend their Captain Blood. A lot of music that's otherwise unavailable, and probably as good-sounding as you could expect from a 1935 score. Bernstein's Hallelujah Trail has sound that varies between bad and absolutely horrible, but it's a fine score.
posted 04-07-2002 03:05 PM PT (US)

SPQR Oscar® Winner	Actually, their single CD release of Helen of Troy boasts superior sound to the 2 CD boot. And, though it was gracious of Varese to release a re-recording of the Sand Pebbles, I'd sooner listen to the Tsunami release.
posted 04-07-2002 05:21 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Tsunami's JUSTINE has very good sound!...the only one I have on this label.
posted 04-07-2002 05:53 PM PT (US)

John Prytz Oscar® Nominee	My POV... If the label (in this case Tsunami) and its productions are legal in the country of origin (and Germany is hardly a third world country), then I have no moral/ethical qualms about buying the product, regardless of the legal standing it may have in other countries. And to the best of my knowledge, since I've seen the now and again Tsunami CD in the record shops, Tsunami products are also legal to sell in Australia (where I hail from).
posted 04-07-2002 06:57 PM PT (US)

El Cid Oscar® Winner	In UK/Europe sound recording copyrights last 50 years. So records released before 1952 are fair game. In the classical music world, unauthorized "historical" reissues are very common. (This will be a big deal in a few years, incidentally, when valuable stereo material becomes available).
posted 04-07-2002 10:06 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Timmer: Tsunami's JUSTINE has very good sound!...the only one I have on this label. And what a wonderful score that is... Thank you Shaun Rutherford for sending me a copy way-back-when.
posted 04-07-2002 10:18 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Indeed Jeron, rarely talked about and a very underated Goldsmith score!
posted 04-08-2002 04:26 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	I'm hoping that FSM will get around to Justine. I'd love to have it, but damn... Tsunami blows. NP: Farewell, My Lovely
posted 04-08-2002 06:07 AM PT (US)

Dr Know Oscar® Nominee	When I lived in London, I used to see Tsunami titles in Tower Records at Picadilly Circus. I have to echo what others have already said -- the sound quality is inconsistent, usually pretty bad. Somewhere I have Tsunami's "limited edition" of Cleopatra (2 cds), with crap sound, and obviously now obsolete. The only two that I listen to with some regularity are Fitzwilly and How to Steal a Million, but if and when FSM performs their magic on these scores I will replace them in a heartbeat. Can anyone confirm (or deny) that Tsunami has in fact gone out of business? NP: The Phantom Menace ultimate ed.
posted 04-08-2002 06:28 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Dr Know: Can anyone confirm (or deny) that Tsunami has in fact gone out of business? About a year ago, they released Captain Blood. So if they've gone out of business, they must have done it only recently.
posted 04-09-2002 09:40 AM PT (US)

Christian Madsen Oscar® Winner	The CDs from the labels Tsunami and Delphi were relesed in Germany years ago. Then Germany did change the copyright laws and Tsunami moved to Schweiz and they are still releasing their CDs there. Today they are only releasing legal issues of lesser known German and Italian scores. When the German laws were changed Delphi went out of business. A new label called Ticker Tape is now releasing in Luxembourg. I have only seen Tsunami CDs in second-hand stores here in Denmark, but I know that some stores are able to import them. Tsunami, Delphi and ticker tape CDs are available in some German stores, e.g. Tarantula Records in Hamburg. I have also seen them in london in Tower records and HMW, but they are extremely rare there. In Germany they do normal cost about $ 12. Check this store out: www.tarantula-records.com
posted 04-09-2002 12:52 PM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	I have three Tsunami discs, Herrmann's MARNIE and the two volumes of "The Marvelleous Film Wold of Bernard Herrmann". The MARNIE disc has very good sound, and the others have...acceptable sound - probably not due to any mistake by Tsunami, but this is simply the condition of the original master tapes. Some improvement could be made, and has been made, by legitimate labels, but as long as these cds contain yet unreleased music not availible elsewhere, Tsunami isn't the worst bootleg label you could go with. SFT
posted 04-09-2002 01:09 PM PT (US)

Graham Watt Oscar® Winner	Thanks everyone! But I STILL don't know what to do! Here's a teaser for you: imagine you live in a place where the only score CDs on sale in the shops are the usual big-selling things. So you have to send away for most everything. Your "must have" list has about fifty items on it, many of which you'll never get because the ones outside the top ten keep getting displaced. Then one day you see, in the local corner shop, number forty-six on your list, at a reasonable price, but on the Tsunami label... What would YOU do?
posted 04-10-2002 01:57 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Christian Madsen: I have only seen Tsunami CDs in second-hand stores here in Denmark, but I know that some stores are able to import them. I got all my three Tsunami CDs (Captain Blood, How to Steal a Million, The Hallelujah Trail) at the local Virgin Megastore. Cheap too. NP: Est-Ouest (Patrick Doyle)
posted 04-10-2002 03:27 PM PT (US)

John Prytz Oscar® Nominee	quote: Originally posted by Graham Watt: Thanks everyone! But I STILL don't know what to do! Here's a teaser for you: imagine you live in a place where the only score CDs on sale in the shops are the usual big-selling things. So you have to send away for most everything. Your "must have" list has about fifty items on it, many of which you'll never get because the ones outside the top ten keep getting displaced. Then one day you see, in the local corner shop, number forty-six on your list, at a reasonable price, but on the Tsunami label... What would YOU do? Buy it! If you don't, someone else will! Will it be your loss, or someone elses?
posted 04-10-2002 04:40 PM PT (US)

Stephen Lister Oscar® Winner	Just to complicate your decision, Graham ... FSM are releasing a Tiomkin next month, and I suppose there's a faint possibility that it might be LAND OF THE PHARAOHS.
posted 04-10-2002 05:54 PM PT (US)

Graham Watt Oscar® Winner	That's exactly what I mean, Stephen! If it DOES turn out to be LAND OF THE PHARAOHS, I'll never send away to FSM to get it, because I'm short on so many of their other things I want more. But just strolling up to the local veg shop I could get the Tsunami tomorrow. I might take John's advice after all.
posted 04-12-2002 02:52 PM PT (US)

John Prytz Oscar® Nominee	I'll put it this way Graham, none of us (to the best of my knowledge) can foretell the future. The art of crystal ball gazing and reading tea leaves is gone. So, FSM, or Intrada, or SAE, or Prometheus, or Varese Sarabande MIGHT release a title in the fullness of time that already exists today on Tsunami (or other "bootleg" labels). Murphey's Law suggests you err on the side of getting while the getting is good, just in case the Tsunami version will end being the be all and end all of things. If at a later date another, more legit, better sounding version is released, well at least you covered yourself and had something to get on with in the meantime. Whether or not you pay your money up front, you take your chances. You get a Tsunami, you risk paying for a possible better copy later. You fail to get the Tsunami, you'll probably do without! You can bet on Mr. Murphy having the last laugh no matter which way you jump!
posted 04-14-2002 06:57 PM PT (US)

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