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André Lux Oscar® Winner	... she just can't sing without her sampler!! Her song was indeed beautiful, but her performance... bleargh!
posted 03-24-2002 11:40 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Enya..is all about her music, not her vocals. The vocals are just for color Even kinda like Enigma. [Message edited by TimT on 03-24-2002]
posted 03-24-2002 11:45 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by TimT: Enya..is all about her music, not her vocals. Even kinda like Enigma. Wow! What an enigmatic post!!!
posted 03-24-2002 11:46 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Her vocals just add color to the music. Even she would tell you this. [Message edited by TimT on 03-24-2002]
posted 03-24-2002 11:47 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by TimT: Even she would tell you this. So you've gotten pretty close to Enya in the past few months, eh Timmy?
posted 03-25-2002 12:06 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	I've always been an Enya fan.
posted 03-25-2002 12:09 AM PT (US)

SPQR Oscar® Winner	I think it was a general sound problem overall...the Newman/Goodman duet wasn't very clear either. Even so, the poor dear looked like she was about to enter a coma...
posted 03-25-2002 12:31 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Yeah, she was a bit overwhelmed by her situation. Massive nervousness.
posted 03-25-2002 01:04 AM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	Enya has a very beautiful, but fragile, voice - therefore she might have trouble performing live generally, but she was VERY nervous which didn't help a lot. Honestly speaking though, she wrote (together with her collaborators) the best song and deserved to win. Sting's wasn't anything special, McCartney got nominated on his name alone and Newman, with al due respect, has successfully managed to write the exact same song for a Pixar film about 20 times now. The Faith Hill song was just plain awefull. That's my opinion anyway.... SFT [Message edited by SFT on 03-25-2002]
posted 03-25-2002 01:41 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Glad you could chime in, SFT!
posted 03-25-2002 02:34 AM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by TimT: Enya..is all about her music, not her vocals. The vocals are just for color Even kinda like Enigma. Enyigma?
posted 03-25-2002 05:30 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by SFT: Enya has a very beautiful, but fragile, voice - therefore she might have trouble performing live generally, Or, in another words, she just can't sing without all her samples...
posted 03-25-2002 06:47 AM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	Well Andre, that depends on how you define "a beautiful voice" or what you think "singing" really is. I don't believe a singer's skills should always depend on his/her ability to perform live. Besides, even live performers depend on a microphones and/or various types of sound-equipment to help them rise above the music - if we were to take that route, only opera singers would classify as "real singers". Enya's music really isn't written to be performed live, so naturally it makes sense that she doesn't have the voice to do so. Her music is of an entirely different nature. But her voice is a beautiful one, although it lacks the strength of, say, Celine Dion. There's all sorts of singers who have distinct voices and create good music. Just because Enya isn't a singer in the classical Whitney Houston mold, that doesn't mean she cannot sing. When it comes to individuality and creativity and talent in writing music, being able to give a hell of a concert isn't a must. SFT NP: Henry V, Patrick Doyle
posted 03-25-2002 07:01 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by SFT: But her voice is a beautiful one, although it lacks the strength of, say, Celine Dion. I never liked hers "droned" tunes and now that I know she just can't sing without all those samplers, I like even less. Celine Dion can't sing either. What a bad comparison... [Message edited by André Lux on 03-25-2002]
posted 03-25-2002 07:09 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I wouldn't say she can't sing. She was simply horribly scared. NP:The Mists of Avalon (Lee Holdridge)
posted 03-25-2002 09:10 AM PT (US)

Taylor Oscar® Winner	Enya is well known for her reclusiveness. I believe she does not tour and very rarely makes public appearances. Chalk that performance up to stage fright. I wasn't surprised. I actually thought she had a chance to win it. But then I forgot that Mr. Newman was 0-16.
posted 03-25-2002 10:40 AM PT (US)

Taylor Oscar® Winner	P.S. - Did anybody catch Randy Newman's acceptance speech? He seemed SURPRISED that he won for this song. I believe he even was hinting that he should have won for earlier work.
posted 03-25-2002 10:42 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I think he actually hinted the film should have been up for more significant awards (or perhaps even Best Animated Film), not the song. That's my take. I loved it when he backtracked (after essentially telling Williams to put the baton down -- "Are you really going to play in four seconds? Don't play.") and started thanking filmmakers responsible for what eventually inspired him to write some of his best music (Barry Levinson and The Natural, Milos Forman and Ragtime). It was a great acceptance speech, real genuine.
posted 03-25-2002 10:49 AM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	...whatever you say, Andre. SFT
posted 03-25-2002 11:07 AM PT (US)

BigKenLittle Oscar® Nominee	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: Celine Dion can't sing either. What a bad comparison... Okay... I had to chime in at this point. While I will never argue that Celine Dion has produced some of the most banal music in history, the one thing that everyone seems able to agree on is the incredible voice that this woman has!!! She is probably the finest "pop" singer in the history of the genre!!! She has an AMAZING four and one quarter octave contralto that is filled with emotion and able to go from the most heart-breaking ballad to an up-tempo dance song and make both equally effective!!! There must be some reason that she is the BEST selling female artist in history. Now, let me say that... yes, I am a fan of her's, not of her music selection though. I am able to appreciate the immense talent that this woman has, and I am able to forget that she has poor taste in her selections of song. If not for "The Voice", I could NEVER listen to the song she sings!!! To compare Enya's warbling (and I like Enya) to Celine's incredible gift is like comparing the art of Steve Ditko to Van Gogh... K.
posted 03-25-2002 11:48 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by BigKenLittle: Enya's warbling Hahahahahaha... perfect!
posted 03-25-2002 12:14 PM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	Again, depends on how you define a beautiful voice. Dion is a great singer, in the classical sense, but when it comes to singing, I apreciate individuality and actually writing your own songs. Dion has a big voice, yes, but not much else. SFT
posted 03-25-2002 12:28 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	I don't know if I can go along with your assessment of Celine Deon as the "finest Pop singer in the history of genre" There have been many fine singers with range and power; Patsy Cline and Cyndi Lauper to name two. While I agree that Celine is excellant, I really think that there are others who can compete in her realm. If you are willing to extend to outside Pop and look at musical Theater and Opera that are quite a few more who would compare favorably.
posted 03-25-2002 12:36 PM PT (US)

Richard Oscar® Winner	I for one sure am glad they got Britney's two-cents worth last night. "Julia Roberts in 'Pretty Woman'...nice smile...I thought she was cool". I liked the McCartney song the best. I think Newman won mainly out of pity. I think most of his songs are garbage and that he can't sing to save his life. I liked the Sting song, although the one from 'Pearl Harbor' was just awful. As for Enya, I'm still undecided. I'll wait until I hear it on CD before I make a call.
posted 03-25-2002 12:47 PM PT (US)

Kimiakane Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by BigKenLittle: like comparing the art of Steve Ditko to Van Gogh... K. Hey, Mr. Ditko is a classic artist in his own right! I love Enya's music and have several of her CDs, but IMHO her sister Maire (lead singer of CLANNAD) is a more powerful vocalist, and deserves more attention than she receives. the filmscore gal, Galina
posted 03-25-2002 01:07 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Richard, None of the songs were "garbage". You might not like some of them, but none were garbage. Personally, I thought Vanilla Sky sounded tired and old. It actually depressed me to see the man who had been such a powerhouse of talent in the Sixties and Seventies so far past his prime. If he had won, I could just as easily assumed it was because people liked the Beatles and were sad because George Harrison had died and they were taking pity in Paul McCartney. I liked Sting and Enya both and I could have dealt with nicely if they had won. But I felt Randy Newman was long overdue for an award having produced both scores and songs that supported those films perfectly. Ragtime, The Natural, Toy Story I and II, Avalon and Parenthood, to name a few. His work is well crafted and the result of many years of hard work and talent in an industry that seldom awards either. We all should be so lucky to produce such “garbage”. You might not like Randy Newman, that's fine. But to call his work "Garbage" is hardly fair or accurate.
posted 03-25-2002 02:03 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Galina, Ditko is one of those talents that polarize opinion. I have a hard time with his later work, but actually enjoyed his early runs on Spiderman and Doctor Strange. Speedball was simply awful.
posted 03-25-2002 02:05 PM PT (US)

Kimiakane Oscar® Winner	I'm not familiar with his Speedball character, but my husband has a series of treasury books that reprint Mr. Ditko's work for Marvel from the 60's and they are wonderful volumes of beautiful artwork and charming story. I am very excited about the upcoming Spider-man film. I suppose that perhaps Mr. Ditko became less inspired later in life, or perhaps it was a medical problem? Is he still alive?
posted 03-26-2002 01:00 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Yes, he's still alive. He was at the San Diego Comic Book Convention last year. It's hard to say what exactly changed. It is very possible that our tolerance for his stylized art has changed to the point that we can no longer connect with him. It could also be age. I looked at some of the last Steve Canyon strips that Milton Canniff did and there was drastic change in the level of detail. Of course, this could be due to the reduction in panel size that occured from the 1947 intro. But even his full frame stuff didn't have the fluidity of his Terry and the Pirates and early Canyon stuff.
posted 03-26-2002 01:32 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Did you know that Steve Ditko is to get co-creator credit alongside Stan Lee's name in all future Spidey titles? ...An honour that should really also be bestowed to the late great Jack Kirby who first visualised such characters as The Fantastic Four, The Incredible Hulk, The Mighty Thor, Doctor Doom, The Silver Surfer, Galactus and so, Sooooooo many more wonderful characters!
posted 03-26-2002 05:31 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	p.s. Anyone here seen the Marvel tribute episode of THE SIMPSONS starring Stan Lee yet?
posted 03-26-2002 05:33 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Actually, I did know that. Kirby's list of credits would have to go all the way back to the old Timely label. Unfortunately, all of those characters were "work-for-hire" contracts so none of those artists, Kirby, Ditko, Sterenko, even Stan Lee own any part of them. They may get credited with creating them but no royalties. It would be nice to think that Kirby got a little piece of the pie, but he didn't even own the original art. DC was in a similar situation with the creators of Superman and Batman. They made a settlement with the families despite the fact that they had no legal obligation to do so. I also think Marvel finally returned some small amount of art to Jack Kirby. Marvel has an odious track record for dealing with its talent and those it does business with. I thought it poetic justice when it had to file bankruptcy.
posted 03-26-2002 09:02 PM PT (US)

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