Anyway, I like the score to A beautiful Mind, despite all the rip-offs, makes a good listening experience so I`m with Ken and Tim on this one.

All composers crib from themselves and others...William's did it briefly in Harry Potter...most of Goldsmith's recent action queues sound the same. How many times did Silvestri use something awfully close the Predator drum beats.

Has Horner fallen victim to it more often...yes. But the blood pressures around here elevate disproportionately.

I've said it before that the first job of a composer is to produce a score that compliments and enchances the film. Horner excels in this arena, which is why is continually hired. The vast majority of the movie going public won't sit through Beautiful Mind and say..."Damn him...that Sneakers and Bicenntenial Man." His music works well in the film and that's all the matters.

We all know that rarely does the best score of the year win the Oscar...but the criteria for winning is not how well it plays on CD or anything peripheral to how the music works in the film.

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Originally posted by Lightborne:

Like the ridiculous ending to MISSION TO MARS with that most horrible CGI alien (yes, worse than Jar Jar) ever created emitting a single tear down his cheek as we watches the fate of the world? And Gary Sinise speeding off to live with them ever more?

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Exactly lad!
I always told how bad the end of MISSION TO MARS was, even liking other parts of the movie.

Thanks for reinforce my point!

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Originally posted by Peter Criss:
)And if his music is crap, I say that he still composing for great movies , the producers still call him to score, and his musci is alwasys perfect in the movies.
And he is paying his bills!Lol!

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Great movies Rojério?
No, thanks to Horner recicled tunes.

As for he paying his bills, well, if this is such a comfort to you, why don't you go play some very popular Sertanejo's songs along with your friends?
I remember you used to criticize quite hardly anyone who did it.
At least they are "paying their bills" (sic)...

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Originally posted by Quill:
All composers crib from themselves and others...William's did it briefly in Harry Potter...most of Goldsmith's recent action queues sound the same. How many times did Silvestri use something awfully close the Predator drum beats.

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You are quite right, Quill and I won't argue about it since it's so obvious.

The problem is that "all composers crib from themselves" from time to time indeed.
But Horner (and a few others) do it ALL THE TIME, in every new score...

To me this makes a lot of difference.

But, hei!, Horner is paying his bills! Cheers to him...

Horner does not have to please Andre, or me, or any other film music fan, full stop! (At least until such time as we hire him to work for us, which is a rather unlikely prospect I suspect!)

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Originally posted by John Prytz:
If this is true (and I'd have to relisten to both scores to verify that) then why hasn't Williams sued Horner for plagiarism? I mean I keep reading on message boards how Horner steals/clones/borrows this and Horner steals/clones/borrows that, from all and sundry composers, yet the all and sundry in question aren't reacting or taking legal action. Perhaps its because the plagiarism isn't anywhere near as blatant as some film music fans are making it out to be.

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On the other hand, he's a far better dramatist than John Williams.

Say what you will, Horner -- despite is laziness -- is one of the best film composers in the biz.

and all the message boards will fall equally silent...

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Originally posted by Christopher:
One day...hopefully soon...someone will release 115 minutes of a blank screen accompanied by complete silence...and "film music fans" will sit in the theatre entranced by this completely original thematic experience devoid of ANY emotional manipulation whatsoever...

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There's someone who obviously never saw a movie in which the director has indeed something to say and doesn't pull the "cheap emotions" strings every time he wants to prove his point of view...

Kubrick's 2001, Kurosawa's KAGEMUSHA and Altman's THE PLAYER comes to mind - just to quote a few...

We're lucky to have John Williams as a film composer...but he is more suited to the music as art world...and that's fine. But often times I feel his music takes precedence over the film, rather than complimenting it. I still love his work--but I admire both he and Horner on entirely different levels.

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Originally posted by Quill:
Think Glory where they are marching onto the beach...think of the end of Field of Dreams, think of Spock's Death is STII.

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But you are talking about movies with more than 10 years old! At that time Horner, even cloning from others and from himself, was still able to deliver some good stuf.
Now he has recicled himself SO MUCH that his "new" music do nothing at all for the movies, except numbing it completely!

John Williams is indeed showing some signs of tiresome and lack of inspiration, but I shake just to imagine what Horner would write for a STAR WARS movie...

Enters Darth Maul - "Fó-ró-ró-rômmmmmmm!"

Pathetic, really...

And if the Prokofiev people have nothing better to do they can probably go after Horner for all the stuff he stole from Prokofiev and make enough cash to last a lifetime.

Is James Horner TOTALLY incapable of writing anything slightly original??

Aparently, even his die-hard worshipers agree that he is...

- From someone behind me while watching BICENTENIAL MAN, obviously missing the movie from where Horner "cloned" the cue, but not missing his lack of originality...

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Originally posted by Christopher:
No...he is NOT totally incapable.

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