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    Topic:   Title For Bond-20

     Richard Street
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    DIE ANOTHER DAY.

    NP: MERCURY RISING (John Barry)

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:15 AM PT (US)     

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    Initial reaction: THAT SUCKS!
    It's nowhere near the quality fo titles like "Tomorrow Never Dies" or "Never Say Never Again" and any other Bond flick. TND is my favorit title though

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:26 AM PT (US)     

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    While it's not as bad as some of the OTHER titles MGM was considering (oh my god - you have NO idea), I think they could have done better.

    Sill, like THE PHANTOM MENACE or ATTACK OF THE CLONES, I think that the title will grow on ya - and when you hear the song, it might work. Who knows?!

    Dan

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:30 AM PT (US)     

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    Like Beyond the Ice? Die Another Day sounds too B-movie-ish.
    Bond title should have that truistic quality to it, like Tomorrow Never Dies (there's always going to be a tomorrow) or Never Say Never Again. If not, it should have an edge of coolness to it, like Licence To Kill (something only 00 agent has), or The Living Daylight (WTF, a quote from the Movie but that's normal for Bond movie). Maybe "Die Another Day" is of the latter kind, but it's still hella bad for a Bond title.

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:50 AM PT (US)     

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    How about "Not Another Bond Movie!"?


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    [Message edited by TimT on 03-12-2002]

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:51 AM PT (US)     

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    Guys, drink your coffee. Bond films are supposed to have bad titles.

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:54 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by TimT:
    How about "Not Another Bond Movie!"?

    There's always a time for good ole Jimmy Bond. How about we get some real action director now. Martin Campbell was a good start. Roger Spottiswood was spotty at best. Michael Apted is, to say it nicely, not one to direct action movie. Lee Tamahori is a good choice, hope he pulls through.
    How about some alternative? I'd paid full price to see some Fincher or Bay or Woo

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    posted 03-12-2002 10:57 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HadrianD:
    Like Beyond the Ice?

    No - that is a GREAT title compared to a few of the stinkers I saw/heard.

    Oy.

    Dan

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    posted 03-12-2002 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HadrianD:
    How about some alternative? I'd paid full price to see some Fincher or Bay or Woo

    Bay? No way. Then we'd have MV do the music, there would be rock songs, everything would be way too loud, and there would be no real acting.

    And Woo? I can imagine Q coming up to 007 and saying something about robot doves.

    Kevin

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    posted 03-12-2002 11:08 AM PT (US)     

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    Then what are the alternative to all of you out there?

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    posted 03-12-2002 11:10 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Kevin:

    Bay? No way. Then we'd have MV do the music, there would be rock songs, everything would be [b]way
    too loud, and there would be no real acting.
    [/B]

    Noone really "act" in Bond movie. The last time an Actor really acted was Timothy Dalton and look what happened to him
    Sean exerted effortless charm and talent than Brosnan.


    And Woo? I can imagine Q coming up to 007 and saying something about robot doves.

    Kevin[/QUOTE]
    You can always have dove

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    posted 03-12-2002 11:15 AM PT (US)     

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    I actually disagree--I think Brosnan has brought the sharpest acting to the role...evolved the character a bit for modern times.

    As far as the title...they're all silly but it the movie that matters. I'm a little apprehensive about the supposed surfing scenes.

    Although--the inclusion of Michael Madsen as recurring CIA character sounds promising.

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    posted 03-12-2002 11:33 AM PT (US)     

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    Personally, Die Another Day has a lot of potential as far as title song workings, and it's alot more catchy than Beyond The Ice. That always sounded to me very "un-Bond", if such a word qualifies. That title was bland, this one IMHO is better. Die Another Day recalls The Living Daylights. While silly to some, we may find it fits in most respects.

    [Message edited by Widescreen on 03-12-2002]

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    posted 03-12-2002 11:40 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HadrianD:
    How about some alternative? I'd paid full price to see some Fincher or Bay or Woo

    None of them. Bond movies need a solid craftsman rather than a visual stylist. Fincher would make it too dark and grim for the PG or PG-13 rating, and Bay or Woo would probably demand Hans Zimmer on the soundtrack.

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    posted 03-12-2002 12:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh, I would love to see Fincher do a Bond movie. Of course, it'd not be a Bond movie, just a movie with James Bond in it. But it still would be great.

    (And can you imagine Howard Shore doing a Bond score? )

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    posted 03-12-2002 01:24 PM PT (US)     

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    I've always like Madsen. He personify "cool" anytime you see him on screen.

    Brosnan is not bad, but no where near the intensity that Dalton had brought to the role.

    Connery is suave and charismatic, representing the model spy, hell, he invented the model spy image.

    Director wise - I just want someone who can actually handle action well and make it cinematically. There aren't that many good "action" director outthere.

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    posted 03-12-2002 01:46 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HadrianD:
    There aren't that many good "action" director outthere.

    True. But Bay isn't one of the good ones.

    Dalton is the one Bond of whom I've never seen a film. Connery was perfect of course, but I think Brosnan is great as well. Moore was awful.

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    posted 03-12-2002 03:12 PM PT (US)     

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    For me, the title sounds interesting. Fresh in any case.Let´s see what they do with it.

    Philipp

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    posted 03-12-2002 03:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:

    True. But Bay isn't one of the good ones.

    Dalton is the one Bond of whom I've never seen a film. Connery was perfect of course, but I think Brosnan is great as well. Moore was awful.


    Well, with Michael Bay, it's an entirely different conversation. i'd still prefer seeing his style (love it!) against the slow pacing work of Michael apted and, to an extent, Roger Spottiswood.

    You're right about Moore. His portrayal was just plain campy and not appropriate for Bond. See The Living Daylight. It's one of the best Bond movie till now.

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    posted 03-12-2002 04:20 PM PT (US)     

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    I've seen several Bond movies, but certainly less than 50%. But my clear favourite of those that I know is, by far, OHMSS.

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    posted 03-12-2002 04:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Personally, I think this is a good Bond title. It makes me want to see the film, even though I know nothing about it.

    I'm quite happy with this title.


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    posted 03-12-2002 10:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmm, it's not a bod title. At first, it sounded wrong, but having run it through my head a few times I'm beginning to warm up to it.

    Oh, & Fincher may not be doing a Bond film, but apparently he's in the running for M:I-3. That's an intriguing idea. As for a Woo Bond, I think M:I-2 is basically what it would be like. I don't think he'd be that interested in doing another film so similar, & I think both of them have too strong a personal style for Bond.

    NP Tombstone (Broughton)

    John Woo's motto: "All you need is dove."

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    posted 03-13-2002 09:51 AM PT (US)     

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    Roger Moore is the best!!

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    posted 03-13-2002 09:52 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Quill:
    Roger Moore is the best!!

    I hope you're kiddin'. But hey, everyone has their own taste

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    posted 03-13-2002 03:14 PM PT (US)     

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    I must admit that the title doesn't sound a bad as it was in the beginning, but it still could use some more work. The song will be interesting to hear. I bet it might be something along the line of "you must Die Another Day"


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    posted 03-13-2002 03:19 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by dgoldwas:
    I think that the title will grow on ya - and when you hear the song, it might work.

    quote:
    Originally posted by HadrianD:
    I must admit that the title doesn't sound a bad as it was in the beginning

    I rest my case.


    Dan

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    posted 03-13-2002 03:26 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm human

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    posted 03-13-2002 08:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Only directors with no reputation can direct a Bond movie, hence no big name directors!

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    posted 03-14-2002 07:45 AM PT (US)     

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    Who would you classify as a big name...let's try:

    Spielberg: Bond finally discovers his warm and fuzzy side, and he helps a rubber alien get back to the space ship. Only positive: John Williams doing the score.

    Woo: A slow motion film with an attack by killer doves...title: Dances with Doves

    Bay: Bond becomes superhuman and the film is a blur of fast-paced editing. Title Song: License to Kill Your Ass by Metallica.

    Fincher: The entire film is shot at night in a broken down part of London. Title: Seven Days to Panic. Only positive: Shore doing the score.

    Kubrick (if we was alive): Bond has a mental breakdown and spins madly into a nightmarish world of guilt and regret. Title: GoldenEyes Wide Shut. Positives: Can't really think of any.

    Lucas: Bond is CGI.

    thanks but I'll stick with the no-name directors.

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    posted 03-14-2002 08:21 AM PT (US)     

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    There's a reason most big name directors aren't really interested in the franchise: The producers control EVERYTHING!

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    posted 03-14-2002 11:48 AM PT (US)     

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    Autuer AKA director with reputation/style which takes over the film. Autuers would ruin the Bond franchise. Only directors who do not have signature styles can direct these types of movies.
    I give you exhibit A:
    John Woo and Mission Impossible

    Mettuer En Scene director who can tell anyone's story without stamping his signature style.
    I give you exhibit B:
    Superman The Movie

    Speilberg wanted to direct a Bond movie, he was turned down. This was when he was big.

    No doubt about it, the Broccoli's control everything, but didn't stop John Glen create Licence to Kill, an innovative Bond film!


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    posted 03-14-2002 12:26 PM PT (US)     

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    But do you see more "innovative film" from the franchise? The fact is that the producers should allow MORE creative freedom to make the franchise a longer lasting one. Martin Campbell's style really invigorated the genre by knowin how to film an action seuence and make it exciting. That was my originl point. To get some one who would know how choreography some action sequence. I noted John Woo, because of his ability to do just that. He's known for his dove, but he does use it anemically. the only reason why MI:2 has dove was due to the insistence of Tom Cruise. If you see Face/Off, you would notice that the Doves existed only in the framework of the Catholic setting, representing the quasi-religious nature of the backdrop.
    But Woo's not the only action guy around. So what are other possible candidate?

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    posted 03-14-2002 01:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Woo is all wrong for Bond!!! Can you imagine the slow-mos??? It would be a Woo film not a Bond film.

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    posted 03-15-2002 01:11 AM PT (US)     

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    Objection noted. Still, name a director that would film the right Bond film, action, suspense and all.

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    posted 03-15-2002 08:04 PM PT (US)     
     

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