It's heartbreaking to see the actual footage, brilliantly done, thank you James Hanlon, and Jules and Gedeon Naudet

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Aarrgh - I missed it and forgot to set my VCR..... does anyone know if it will be re-aired??

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I believe CBS is planning on re-airing it sometime soon.

The music in it made everything so emotional. They used the score from The Insider by Lisa Gerrard in some spots after the attack and the aftermath began and I thought it captured the firemen's emotions so well.

The documentary didn't contain gore or anything, but it has left an amazing impression on me. Especially hearing the bodies come crashing down. And when the firemen looked so helpless. It was so emotionaly draining. So (obviously) be prepared.

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as to why it is important to stay committed for the long-term in the war against terrorism.

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War against terrorism?
I have an easier option: just stop giving money and guns for all those extremist groups.

Why doesn't the U.S. care about 1,200,000 dead people in Iraq, from the imposed American and British sanctions; also, half of those dead are children under the age of five. That, in itself, is disgusting and it is disgusting that the Bush administration repeatedly lies to the American people about the September 11th attacks, "attack on freedom," yeah right! Not to belittle the 9/11 attacks, but there is a lot of awful stuff going on in this world right now to preoccupy ourselves with the WTC attacks is pointless, sorry to break the news to you, guy.

The solution to this problem is so easy, for even the obvious stupidity of George Bush the prequel, stop funding extremist organisations in the teachings of murder, torture, etc. I totally agree with André with this one.

Erics Paddon, and all those who are brainwashed and love flag waving racist propganda like Pearl Harbour, The Patriot, and We Were Soldiers go get re-educated! Completely ridiculous!

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Originally posted by sean:
Eric Paddon, you are so full of junk! Yes, the documentary was well done and showed some pretty amazing footage, especially of the NT lobby, but your statement of the "war on terrorism," give me a break!

Why doesn't the U.S. care about 1,200,000 dead people in Iraq, from the imposed American and British sanctions; also, half of those dead are children under the age of five. That, in itself, is disgusting and it is disgusting that the Bush administration repeatedly lies to the American people about the September 11th attacks, "attack on freedom," yeah right! Not to belittle the 9/11 attacks, but there is a lot of awful stuff going on in this world right now to preoccupy ourselves with the WTC attacks is pointless, sorry to break the news to you, guy.

The solution to this problem is so easy, for even the obvious stupidity of George Bush the prequel, stop funding extremist organisations in the teachings of murder, torture, etc. I totally agree with André with this one.

Erics Paddon, and all those who are brainwashed and love flag waving racist propganda like Pearl Harbour, The Patriot, and We Were Soldiers go get re-educated! Completely ridiculous!

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Eric Paddon, you are so full of junk! Yes, the documentary was well done and showed some pretty amazing footage, especially of the NT lobby, but your statement of the "war on terrorism," give me a break!

Why doesn't the U.S. care about 1,200,000 dead people in Iraq, from the imposed American and British sanctions; also, half of those dead are children under the age of five. That, in itself, is disgusting and it is disgusting that the Bush administration repeatedly lies to the American people about the September 11th attacks, "attack on freedom," yeah right! Not to belittle the 9/11 attacks, but there is a lot of awful stuff going on in this world right now to preoccupy ourselves with the WTC attacks is pointless, sorry to break the news to you, guy.

The solution to this problem is so easy, for even the obvious stupidity of George Bush the prequel, stop funding extremist organisations in the teachings of murder, torture, etc. I totally agree with André with this one.

Erics Paddon, and all those who are brainwashed and love flag waving racist propganda like Pearl Harbour, The Patriot, and We Were Soldiers go get re-educated! Completely ridiculous!

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I think you're full of more than just junk, Sean.

And how, pray tell, first of all, do you know that 50% of the the people that are dying over there are children...Do you not think that propoganda could go the other way in the direction of liberal ignorance...Listen to yourself.

What the documentary "9/11" showed..captured in real time...was the eratication of innocent civilians before our very eyes. These were fathers and mothers that you heard crashing through the buildings and all they expected that day was to go to work in a country , a place where such incidents would never occur. Their children, girlfriends, husbands never questioning that they would see them for dinner that night. **** you for your blatent minimizing of these tragedies because, to you, now it is "in" to be unpatriotic and bash America.

What America should do for a while is step out of world affairs for and sit back and watch those wonderful moralistic cartels and dictators run these countries into the ground. I would like to see what would've happened had America not responded to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and just protected its borders. I can guarantee you it would most assuredly be a world divided into the Nazis and America. So thank your lucky stars that we respond to such events.

I'm sure when on 9/11 you watched the horrific events unfold before your eyes, you got a rather sick feeling in your throat...not only for the loss of life that was occurring, but the very fact that terrorists had penetrated the defenses of the very blanket of freedom which is provided you by the military of this country that you feel free to bash. I am not saying that the American govenment is sparkling innocent of shady activity, but those people on those planes and in the World Trade Center sure as **** were. At least, the Japanese had enough honor to attack a military target.

Terrorists and countries who support terrorism prey on the innocent. When they struck America on 9/11, these countries not only murdered the people of that attack, but all the days following, including the precious 50% children you speak of. Never forget that. They started a war and there are innocent casualties of war. That is how war works. Remember who decided that war is what they desired.

Eric Paddon's statement was one of respect for this fact. Your bashing of it is assinine. Or do terrorists now deserve rights to? In your world, I'm sure they do.

Don't tarnish the memory of the innocent people who have died from this provoked event (on our side and their's) with this kind of thinking.

I suggest you look real hard at yourself and the feelings you would have if something in your own country was destroyed for no sane reason by incestuous, child-abusing, animal-molesting dirt-eating slimeballs.

And as for other countries like Iraq where (supposedly) millions are dying? I say blame your leaders. I personally could give a rats ass about them.

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Eric Paddon, you are so full of junk! Yes, the documentary was well done and showed some pretty amazing footage, especially of the NT lobby, but your statement of the "war on terrorism," give me a break!

Why doesn't the U.S. care about 1,200,000 dead people in Iraq, from the imposed American and British sanctions; also, half of those dead are children under the age of five. That, in itself, is disgusting and it is disgusting that the Bush administration repeatedly lies to the American people about the September 11th attacks, "attack on freedom," yeah right! Not to belittle the 9/11 attacks, but there is a lot of awful stuff going on in this world right now to preoccupy ourselves with the WTC attacks is pointless, sorry to break the news to you, guy.

The solution to this problem is so easy, for even the obvious stupidity of George Bush the prequel, stop funding extremist organisations in the teachings of murder, torture, etc. I totally agree with André with this one.

Erics Paddon, and all those who are brainwashed and love flag waving racist propganda like Pearl Harbour, The Patriot, and We Were Soldiers go get re-educated! Completely ridiculous!

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Congratulations Sean!
There's inteligent life above the Equator's line after all!

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And as for other countries like Iraq where (supposedly) millions are dying? I say blame your leaders. I personally could give a rats ass about them.

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Is that so, Kevin? So why someone should give a rat's ass about what's going on YOUR country?

Just blame your stupid leaders.

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Guys, stop it right now or there's gonna be a whole hell of a lot of board moderator fascism going down. We've just gone through this "discussion" with all of you experts on another thread, and we're not gonna take it anymore (to quote some metal band from the 80s). This is not the board for this.

Aight?

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Can we talk about Twisted Sister then? God, I love my VH-1 Classic!!!

Thought I would try to lighten the mood a little. I couldn't watch the special and I won't be able to watch the one HBO is doing either. I honestly don't think I'll be able to watch them in the future as I can only tolerate movie violence.

Its restaint, avoiding the graphic horror, that they capture, was very respectful of the living and the dead. This is art, at its most finest and brutally honest level.

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American bashers?
How can one bash and entire continent??

Well, what else shoud we expect from "Joe In Air"?

I think you've stayed past your welcome, mate. What do you think? You can be Mr. Anti-American all you like, but somewhere else. If you want to be Mr. Anti-film music, you are welcome to stay.

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If you want to be Mr. Anti-film music, you are welcome to stay.

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Since I am not Anti-film music nor Anti-american, I presume I am welcome.

Thanks!

We live with crime everyday, we read about deaths, murders, rapes and drugs. We see tragedy but to experience it first hand and up front is different. We see what happens in other countries and to say U.S. citizens don't care is the biggest bunch of pure **** I've heard in ages. Most of us do care. We want a peaceful world were everyone gets along, we want everyone to have the freedom to choose. But to blame the U.S. for everything that goes wrong is bullshit. Why do you think people volunteer to go to other countries in missions or peace corps? U.S. Soldiers spend years apart from their families to go overseas to help other nations. We've sent our Search and Rescue teams to countries that have been ravaged by natural disasters.

While I'm not going to lie and say our Government is perfect they sure do a better job then some other Goverments around the world do. I've had a chance to live in quite a few countries outside the U.S. and I've seen what they have to offer. Yes more than once the U.S. has overstepped and gotten into situations that have made matters worse. Thanks to Bill Clinton the Isreal - Palastine situation has gotten worse.

There is not one country who can stand up and say their Government is perfect. We all have our faults and sadly it is by trying that we realize them.

So I'm sorry if you think there is too much patriotism, I'm sorry if you think we don't care about other countries and I'm sorry you don't have any sympathy toward 9/11. But in the meantime just think about it. If 4 Airlines crashed into major buildings or goverment institutions in your countries, who do you think would be the first country there to lend a helping hand and support you in any means?

We do care and just because Hollywood doesn't show it in their damn movies doesn't mean you have to judge the whole country.

Lightborne:

The information Iraq was provided by the Health Information Trust in London, and the United Nations (which the United States is a part of). And yes, the number of children dead there is approx. 500,000.

I don't understand what you meant by being "unpatriotic." You mean questioning the government automatically means that someone is "unpatriotic"? BTW, I'm not minimizing anything, I was merely stating that there is alot of bad stuff going on in the world, and the WTC attacks are just adding to pile of sorrow and misery.

When you let half a million people into your country as temporary residents per year, they should be watched and checked over - their penetration of "freedom" was obviously pretty easy. Everbody deserves rights, and that is not tarnishing anyone's memory. Seriously, get real with that bellicose junk you spat out.

Kevin:

I don't live in the U.S. but I certainly have family and my girlfriend living there; so, no I see no reason to keep my mouth shut about it.

None of this is being anti-American, Peter, just critical of it's foreign policy. What's wrong with that?

And second, I lost a college classmate on Flight 93 (Todd Beamer) and I had to worry for hours about a relative who went down 81 flights from his North Tower office and made it to safety with moments to spare, so don't EVER give me a lecture about my patriotism supposedly stemming from movies I have never seen, again.

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To Sean: The misery of what happens in Iraq is the fault of its own regime, which is run by a madman

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A madman who was put there by USA, in the first place.
Just like all the other "friendly" dictators who tortured and killed "lefties" around the world in the name of "freedom" and the "american way": Noriega, Pinochet, Suhato, Castelo Branco, Sadam, Taliban... Shall I go on??

André said it all. If Saddam was to have been "taken care of" it should have been when the US supported him the most, when he gassed the Kurds ten years prior to the massacre know as the "Gulf War." I'm sure he would not hesitate to use weapons of mass destruction, as I am sure the US would not hesitate; one American nuclear sub can destroyed 408 urban centers (that's cities, Eric) with it's nuclear arsenal, in each using ten times the destructive force used in the nuclear bombing of Nagasaki, during the Second World War. That shows a willingness to use such devistating tools for murder, like the landmines the US continues to use abroad.

The American "freedom" you enjoy has come at a cost, those under the dictators André has named have payed the ultimate price: death. Now, shall I go on????

My final word, too.

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You can go on, but you'd only just keeping sticking your foot so much further down your mouth that it would be coming out the other end.

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Yes Eric... show us all what you are really made of!

Final words indeed!

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NP: Directors Cuts / Epic Themes -- Media Ventures ****/***** (now, this is where André will not agree with me )

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I may not agree with you, but will forever fight for your right to listen to it!

100% Good-old-fashioned made-in-the-USA common sense.

"Final words indeed!"

Only on the substantive issue on which I've made the points that needed to be made. But I can never pass up on a good witticism when the opportunity presents itself.

100% Good-old-fashioned made-in-the-USA common sense.

"Final words indeed!"

And out of respect to Peter and the board, I will deny myself any rebuttles to the aforementioned replies to my heated tyraide and add my final words as these:

The show "9/11" aptly displayed how civilians suffer and react at the hands of the human potential for murder. We are told that we are numb to violence, trained in such a way by our entertainment, but I think not. I think that that day we discovered that we are human. This was the first disaster of its kind that unfolded before our eyes in real time. Captured with technology. The moment that thousands lose their lives was put on display for all to see. This was an imprtant moment for the world and we must never forget that at the end of it all, it was not about "the war on terrorism" or a benefit concert with all of our favorite movie stars and musicians, or our favorite film composer who dedicates a track to this event...it was that moment when the human element in all of us took in the fact that these victims would not go home to their loved ones that night, or any night...ever again...because they went to work that day. It seems like such a waste and I staunchly remind people of this.

The show "9/11" helped to remind us of that pain we felt that day and forget about all the propoganda telling us how we should feel either way. We know how we felt seeing it happen before our eyes. And that sickness in all of our throats was the result of the human condition...a universality that shouldn't and cannot be banalized.

And now, onto film music. See you all in another thread. Thanks for the community here that you all provide for each other.

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So, sticking your foot into someone you don't agree's mouth is "good-old-fashioned-made-in-the-USA-common-sense"?

I hope not all Unitedstadians agree with that...

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Andre, there is a reason we call ourselves Americans, its because the name of the country is America. Remember the 50 states are the United States OF America. So if we call ourselves Americans it isn't trying to demean anyone from the North or South American continents, but we are the only nation of those two continents with the name America. By the way we do agree on something. We both think A.I. is Spielberg's worst film. Common ground is always a place to start.

And I live in a country that is called "United States of Brasil" - which we call only Brasil. Not USB.
But you guys doesn't seem so sure about what to call your country. Sometimes is USA, next time is America...

That's where the mess starts. And I don't think "Unitedstadians" is an offensive remark, just more apropriated. Spanish CNN always call USA citizens like that - and CNN is the greater defender of the "USA way of life".

As for A.I. we definitly agree.

And just because we don't agree always, this doesn't mean I will stick my boots inside your mouth. Far from it.