Others that are likely to get such a desired item are those closest to the producers. It has been mentioned elsewhere that this situation is extremely painful for them because they have to disappoint so many.

Some were set aside for sale, and as you mentioned, the laws of supply and demand are paramount.

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Originally posted by Kimiakane:
I tried to order my copy of this special CD today and learned a very hard lesson in this business of the great American commerce of CD producer/retailers. I was told they still have copies of this CD in stock, but I was only allowed to buy one if I had pre-ordered (which makes sense) or if I was one of their "regular big customers" and that is what really upset me. I then asked if they were going to produce more since it was obviously so popular that they sold out immediately and was told "no" on that one too. I then asked if they were allowing people to buy more than one copy per person and was told that it depended on the account. Instead of permitting the collectors in this hobby to buy a CD for their personal pleasure, they allow certain individuals to purchase multiple copies and of course we can now see those people attempting to prey on us by trying to get more than $40 (an expensive price even at that) for this item. It really makes one think about the kind of people are involved in this hobby and I find it very destructive to the collectors' interests.

the very unhappy filmscore gal,
Galina

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I hear your pain. Doesn't look like I'll be getting my copy either. I tried to order one but by the time I found out how limited it was going to be they were unable to supply me with one.

And they wonder why people bootleg these things?

By the way...I totally understand the reasoning for the limited nature of the disc, I just find the greediness and hording really unfortunate for those of us who just enjoy the music.

(Reminding me of my Saturday spent in line at CostCo while the fanboys had 20 CDs to be signed.)

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I tried to order my copy of this special CD today and learned a very hard lesson in this business of the great American commerce of CD producer/retailers.

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Dare I say it Kimiakane, but it's not just the "American commerce" system. Free enterprise/law of supply and demand is also the main backbone of the Canadian way of business, and the British, and the German, Japanese, Italian, Australian, New Zealand, etc., etc., etc. I'd hate you to think that only Americans do business that way. I'm Australian, and so too is this a fact of life "Down Under"! I'm not always happy with the system, but....

all I can say Galina is that I'm sorry you waited so long to order a CD announced quite awhile ago.

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:

I'm not sure who thought this policy up over at Intrada, but in this day and age of a fairly good sized online film score fan base and the fast dissemination of information, it's not a real good thing to piss off your customers, no matter how "big" they are.

I appreciate you letting us know about this. It will influence my future buying habits at Intrada. I already don't purchase from them very often because of their extremely lame form-to-email ordering system and this crap you experienced will make doing business with them even more undesirable from my view.

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Cut Intrada some slack. It sounds like they were up front to Galina about the situation. It's not their idea to only be able to print 3,000.

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I think you have Intrada confused with FSM.

If you hear about something coming down the pike that has always been in high demand and is being produced in very small numbers, it's probably not a good idea to sit on your hands and watch the clouds float by.

I've ordered from Intrada in the past and had no problems at all with them. They've got a great selection and I appreciate many of the albums available on their label.

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Originally posted by Jeron:Doug Fake, is usually there to answer and take your order personally. He's one of the nicest, most mild mannered people I've ever had the pleasure of speaking to.

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I've had nothing but great service from Intrada, but the one time I talked to Doug, asking him about the process for making promotional albums, he said it "was a different animal every time" and "since I don't know you, I'll leave it at that."

I asked him for more information, and he asked me to stop talking to him.

You are personally attacking Intrada and Douglass Fake. They are only soundtrack albums so enough with the sour grapes!

And Al, if these are unhappy people, that's too bad ... it's NOT Intrada's fault. They DON'T have any "right" to own one, and they *shouldn't* whine. I sympathize, but enough is enough!

For that matter, Doug DOESN'T know you. Why would he confide sensitive business practices in you? He told you everything you NEEDED to know. He wasn't obliged to talk to you at all, given the topic. You're not really disappointed about how Doug "treated you," you're disappointed you didn't hear what you wanted to hear. It's not Doug's responsibility to tell you what you want to hear.

Remember this was a promo, not an official release and I'm sure Doug and Intrada have to be careful when it comes to them. The fact it has been yanked off of E-bay should send the warning that he has to be careful who he talks to and how much info he gives out because he doesn't know who is watching.
The same can be said for Varese, FSM and others. That's probably why FSM has been stricter lately in their banning messages related to bootleg, CDR and MP3 trading. Intradfa has also removed their promo section as well. Studios are probably looking harder at this stuff, so cut Doug some slack.

The fact that a limited amount was made available is a blessing for soundtrack fans. Paramount or whoever owns the rights to the music is missing out because this score is in high demand and should have been released publicly but it's their choice and sadly we have to live with the consequences.

I'm truly sorry Galina and others missed out but that happens.

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Paramount or whoever owns the rights to the music is missing out because this score is in high demand and should have been released publicly but it's their choice and sadly we have to live with the consequences

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A record producer recently said to me that Paramount is the most "closed" studio in terms of score releases, and has never really opened it's vaults. A shame, too... it's quite literally the "final frontier".... hehe

2) Intrada was able to sell a very small amount, with the hopes of making back the production costs. Usually these promos do not sell enough for even that.

3) Intrada was suprised that the demand was as great as it was.

4) Since this release isn't commerical, Intrada can't press a limitless number to meet demand. Intrada is mainly in the business of CATERING to collectors, not witholding from them, so this adds to the frustration.

5) If you're a customer that spends $100 a month on soundtracks from Intrada, you'll get preferred treatment over someone who has never ordered before.

6) In the future, promos won't be made available for sale. They'll all go to the composers.

7) Don't expect Intrada to wear its business practices on its sleeve, especially given the competitive nature of the business. If you persist in asking for proprietary information, don't be surprised if you get a cold shoulder.

8) When you purchase from Intrada, even if it's on a competing label, your money helps fund future releases.

I think that's it.

Roger

I don't have an asbestos suit available. I'm going to shut up.

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Originally posted by Wedge:And Al, if these are unhappy people, that's too bad ... it's NOT Intrada's fault. They DON'T have any "right" to own one, and they *shouldn't* whine. I sympathize, but enough is enough!

For that matter, Doug DOESN'T know you. Why would he confide sensitive business practices in you? He told you everything you NEEDED to know. He wasn't obliged to talk to you at all, given the topic. You're not really disappointed about how Doug "treated you," you're disappointed you didn't hear what you wanted to hear. It's not Doug's responsibility to tell you what you want to hear.

If I asked you to politely end a private topic, for whatever reason, and you kept asking me about it anyway, I'd be put-off too!

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I am, in fact, disappointed only at how Doug responded, not that he didn't tell me anything. It's simply because I was very polite and had heard nothing but good things about how he was such a nice guy. And "for that matter," the very first time Doug asked me to drop it, I did, and got the information another way. It's not that big of a deal. I don't hate the guy, because I don't know him.

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Originally posted by rfeigels 7) Don't expect Intrada to wear its business practices on its sleeve, especially given the competitive nature of the business. If you persist in asking for proprietary information, don't be surprised if you get a cold shoulder.

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There was no need for that, Roger. Based on the good things I'd heard about Doug, I didn't expect anything except a nice response, and I didn't get it. My heart isn't broken.

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3) Intrada was suprised that the demand was as great as it was.

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you've got to be kidding, right?? I mean, everyone has been clammoring for an "official" release of this thing since 1985!!

Anyways - you're doing a GREAT job Roger, keep the releases coming! (Looking forward to SILVER STREAK!)

Dan

Jonathan Little realizes he's wasting keystrokes and bows out.

Wedge is smitten with Intrada, therefore blind to good objectivism. It's nice to be in love. All sarcasm intended. Love ya' Wedgie.

Roger suggests Intrada doesn't wear its business practices on its sleeve. Telling customers to their faces how they deliver scarce goods is pretty much on the sleeve. This makes Roger's comments true some of the time and not true some of the time (and the whole reason why we have this thread). Roger's suddenly learning what it feels like to be a moderater of a freekin' film music discussion board.

To wrap up, I am certain when I say I am not the only one who's glad these promos are coming to an end. They do more harm to the collecting community than they do good.

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Um ... zing? I'm not sure how to feel, Peter! But since I'm smitten with MovieMusic.com and blind to objectivity, I'll just assume it was a compliment.

Seriously, I'm willing to cut Doug some slack in the "niceness" department, considering he's probably been warding off rabid fans for several days now. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you ...

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I'm imagining Intrada trapped in an isolated barn fending off zombies with a pitchfork. What to do? Burn down the barn or wait for them to be distracted by something shiny?

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To wrap up, I am certain when I say I am not the only one who's glad these promos are coming to an end. They do more harm to the collecting community than they do good.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Dan, let's not be a dolt.

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Already with the namecalling, eh?

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Ask Intrada, Footlight, SuperCollector or anyone who sells them. Same answer: because suppliers are making them available, and people are buying them.
But, if they were never really intended to be sold, I have no problem seeing them disappear, because, and like I said a few posts up, they cause more harm than good. Considering the bigger picture, there aren't that many people interested in these anyway.

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So you're basically just selling them because they're available, there's a demand for them, and others are selling them. (Except you then say that there isn't that much of a demand....) Well hey - you're running a business, and you gotta make money off of it - so I understand.

(Interestingly enough, if you replace the word "promos" with "heroin", this discussion takes on new meaning!)

Christopher, read it as you will. When promos are "released," a whole heck of lot is wrong with the picture. The fallout we are seeing now, with Intrada getting out of the current modus operandi of quasi-releasing these, should illustrate this. Sure, there are pluses for getting these things out there, but if collectors are going to begin hating each other over these (and bootlegs, too), it's not helpful. Hence, my comments about promos and bootlegs since who knows when.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Sorry, Dan. Al got the first namecalling drop this time.

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Well.. I AM a soundtrack nut - if I wasn't, I wouldn't be here or doing what I do. I am not, however, a dolt.

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And thanks for your sound business advice, if it was (I really can't tell now).

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Sure, there are pluses for getting these things out there, but if collectors are going to begin hating each other over these (and bootlegs, too), it's not helpful.

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I actually agree with what you're saying, but companies aren't in business to make everyone happy.... I'm sure you know that.

Dan

If people are getting all worked up over this, then they need to take it up with the record label or reseller, NOT some individual who was able to buy a copy.