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Originally posted by PeterK:
Music is composed by Klaus Badelt and padded by Hans Zimmer (he's getting real good at leaning on his keyboard in a most dramatic fashion).

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Hey, somebody on this site has to say something positive about him every now and then.

I'll jump to every opportunity.

An interesting point brought up by HadrianD, I myself am confused about what Peter meant by Zimmer "leaning on his keyboard in a most dramatic fashion". Is he implying that Zimmer didn't score Invincible?

He hasn't given us anything new to listen to since Backdraft. He's hiring more and more "credited ghostwriters" (they're given credit, but we're not told what for) with each successive score. He's had it.

Shaun

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Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
I quote a music critic when I say that Zimmer bought a ticket on the suck train years ago.

He hasn't given us anything new to listen to since Backdraft. He's hiring more and more "credited ghostwriters" (they're given credit, but we're not told what for) with each successive score. He's had it.

Shaun

P.S. Really had to use that quote somewhere, and this was the most appropriate place, given its basis in fact in respect (disrespect?) to Hans Zimmer.

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I consider myself to be fairly negative these past few months, but Shaun even rules over me.

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If you don't think he hasn't done aything original since "Backdraft", a movie made almost 10 YEARS ago, then you need to unplug your goldsmith/williams listening ears and spin such cds as "Black Hawk Down" and "Prince of Egypt" in your player. Oh, and while your at it, why don't you listen to "Driving Miss Daisy" or even "MI-2" All of these scores are, though composed in similar form with orchestra/synths, are completely different from Backdraft.

Just because he is alittle bit heavier than most other composers who sound the same in all their scores, encluding williams, horner, goldsmith, doesn't mean they ARE the same score.

BTW, I listen to most film music out there, regardless of how similar they are to each other. Originality is in the composer, NOT the score. Do you think all of MOZART's scores sound completly different from each other? I, for one, can always pick out Mozart or Wagner or Bach without ever hearing the music before.

I guess I should've written that Zimmer hasn't done anything interesting since Backdraft. All of his action music sounds like variations on Backdraft. How's that?

Gotta get to work, I'll argue with you guys later!

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Originally posted by PeterK:
If it's so "without foundation," why are you so mad? That's a legitimate question, meant with no disrespect.

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Not what I've been hearing. Most are opinions of perceptions. What do you mean by "this"???

o·pin·ion

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:

A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert.

A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing.

The prevailing view.

Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

Your problem seems to be that I am going before God and accusing Hans Zimmer of being a bloody hack who has to hire 10 people to write scores he gets sole credit for. I'm not accusing him of anything! I'm just stating facts here, man!

Goldsmith and Williams are both tired, I agree. But it took them 40 years of brilliance to finally slow down. It took Zimmer about 5 years.

Howard Shore, with each successive score, continues his streak of being the most interesting (film) composer working today. Just when you think he's going to get all thematic, he hits us with a Crash or The Cell. The man simply refuses to be pigeonholed. Zimmer is the reason terms like that were coined.

Your logic is off, my friend.

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Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
Ah, but Hadrian, isn't that what an opinion is?

o·pin·ion

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:

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You are saying that you're an "expert"? How is it so? Don't give me that "Because I listened to many zimmer score, therefore so and so". Your claim/accusation/opinion/whatever requires more. Which leads to my next point
Special knowledge? Puhleaze. Unless you are next to hans 24/7 and know his activities closely and witness his evil credit-hoggin' way then I have my right to not take you seriously

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A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing.
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Doesn't judgement requires proof or substantiated claims? I respect you opinion many time but not when hans' involved. But then you can always claim biased judgement, Which is something we all believe you do.

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"Prevailing" imply majority. So if the view is that we think you are not a man and we can slap you around like biotch then it's right? A view is never correct unless supported by something else other than a singular perspective

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Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.
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Can you actually tell me wath 'adjudicative" means?

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Your problem seems to be that I am going before God and accusing Hans Zimmer of being a bloody hack who has to hire 10 people to write scores he gets sole credit for. I'm not accusing him of anything! I'm just stating facts here, man!
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So where are these facts?

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Goldsmith and Williams are both tired, I agree. But it took them 40 years of brilliance to finally slow down. It took Zimmer about 5 years.
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Of course I would disagree.

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Howard Shore, with each successive score, continues his streak of being the most interesting (film) composer working today. Just when you think he's going to get all thematic, he hits us with a Crash or The Cell. The man simply refuses to be pigeonholed. Zimmer is the reason terms like that were coined.
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Terms? What terms?

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Your logic is off, my friend.
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And I could say the same about you.

It's fun arguing.
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If you listen closely to Lord of the Rings: FOTR you can here bits of Dogma and Looking for Richard. Howard Shore is just like any artist. He borrows from himself and others. I'm not saying he is dried up or a hack. Just wanted interject that before anyone else here praises him for being the most interesting and original compser here today and use him and his scores to bash anothers.

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"Your problem seems to be that I am going before God and accusing Hans Zimmer of being a bloody hack who has to hire 10 people to write scores he gets sole credit for. I'm not accusing him of anything! I'm just stating facts here, man!"

Your stating the facts and using it against him to say that he is "a hack" at his art form. But if you look throughout history many fine artits (such as Da Vinci, Caravagio, etc who are considered masters) have worked under similar situations. Students painted over their drawings, traced their drawings, re-painted their paintings, finished paintings, and even COMPLETED PAINTINGS under the name of their teacher. But we still call those artists masters today.

Zimmer's Media Ventures is just place for people to train get experience learn a craft and produce music that they love. Its a music studio set up for the 'masters' to train the 'apprentices.'

To many bitter people here would rather bash an amazing work environment and person then take a step back and look deeper at what actually might be going on.

dave

NP - Meet Joe Black

Anyway, if you want an original film score in terms of film scoring, try Yann Tiersen`s Amelie (original and quite quirky). Though quite a bit of the material was from Tiersen`s previous albums, it still does not negate the originality of the score`s function within the film.