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    Topic:   A Case Of Contrasts!

     joan hue
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    We’ve discussed many times our favorite composers’ trademarks or
    signatures that identify their music. We say we can pick out a Bernstein,
    Goldsmith, or a Williams by their use of signature rhythms,
    “orchestrational” choices, thematic variations, etc. Most artists do have
    identifiable styles.

    I don’t think I’d confuse a painting by Pollock with a painting by Wyeth nor a
    poem by e e cummings with a Robert Frost poem. However, it is my
    contention (and don’t be too contentious with me ) that really superb film
    music composers compose “at times” vastly different pieces of music,
    music that truly contrasts previous scores, because of the variable
    medium called films.

    Historical films-in Rome, Egypt, England, Ireland, Iceland, Japan, ect. all
    call for different sounds. Other genres like fantasy, science fiction, westerns,
    romance, and so forth demand diversified musical palates.
    It is this ability for a composer to write such VARIED music that makes
    his/her art form so completely multi-faceted, and this talent is what garners
    so much respect from me. If I didn’t know D. Tiomkin, and you played
    for me Friendly Persuasion and The Thing, I would say they
    were NOT written by the same composer. No way.

    I thought it might be a tad bit of a challenge and kind of fun to come up with
    extremely opposite film score compositions by the same composer. Don’t
    just list them. Jabber about them a little. Some of my examples are:

    Conti: Today I’m listening to Invocation from Slow Dancing In A Big
    City.
    If you haven’t heard it, you’re missing a gorgeous, slow, melodic
    piece of music, and I can hardly believe that the same composer wrote
    the rollicking, rhythmic Rocky.

    Moross: Loved A Big Country and found The Jayhawkers and
    Valley of Gwangi
    very similar, and then I heard The Cardinal which
    is religious, melodic, and slow without his trademark western rhythms. Very
    different compositions. ( I just know some smart aleck will find two measures
    of similarity. )

    Williams: I watched the original TV production of Jane Eyre and
    marveled at this music that sounded so lush, romantic, and historically
    appropriate. And this same composer composes Jaws, which
    contains some of the scariest music ever written. After hearing Jane Eyre,
    I don’t think I would have thought of Williams for Jaws, Star Wars,
    Superman, etc. It just shows the dangers of typecasting.

    Shore: Who would of “thunk” that the composer of the textures in
    The Cell and the atmospheric sounds in Se7ven would have scored
    the epic, thematic sounds of LOTR? Nuff said.

    E. Bernstein: Elmer has his signature western rhythms first so eloquently
    displayed in The Magnificent Seven. Contrast those sounds to the
    child-like passage of innocence so beautifully scored in To Kill A
    Mockingbird
    or to the epic religious sounds in The Ten
    Commandments.

    Don’t know enough about Herrmann and several others to do this.

    Without further exposition here are others that amaze me. Alfred Newman’s
    Wuthering Heights to How The West Was Won to his
    modern sounds in Airport. Morricone’s
    The Good, the Bad, the Ugly to The Mission. Goldsmith’s
    Rudy to his A Patch of Blue. Got to stop. It’s fun and
    addictive. ...and Elfman’s Sommersby to his Planet of the Apes
    and...and...



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    posted 02-13-2002 05:04 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    Mommy,

    I've heard rumors that anyone can tell when it's a Goldsmith piece.....

    --Brian

    NP: The Ring of Power

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    posted 02-13-2002 05:23 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    CK, what scurvy knave started that rumor??

    (If I were Shaun or JJH, I'd call them retarded ass bastards! )

    NP Slow Dancing In A Big City

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    posted 02-13-2002 05:37 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I'll have to think about this for a while, but my immediate response is that Don Davis' The Matrix is miles away from Hyperspace. One is a complex, multi-textured, and at times very challenging score, the other a simple but easily enjoyable Star Wars parody with perfectly memorable, hummable themes throughout (something The Matrix smartly does without).

    More to come.... Nice topic, Joan!

    Kirk

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    posted 02-13-2002 06:39 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Who'd 'a thot the very same Johnny Williams who composed the zany How To Steal A Million would one day score the sombre Schindler's List?

    Who'd 'a thot the very same Leonard Rosenman who scored the jazzy Rebel Without A Cause would go on to score the ethereal Fantastic Voyage?

    Who'd 'a thot that the Jerry Goldsmith who composed the deeply moving Islands In The Stream would also be the insanely WACKY musical voice behind The 'burbs?

    You're right, Joan...this is fun, and potentially addictive!
    I'll keep the rest of my cards close to my vest, and watch what happens with a few other players.

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    posted 02-13-2002 08:18 PM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    Empire Strikes Back - HEARTBEEPS - Raiders of the Lost Ark ...

    Seriously,
    how about anything from James Horner's early career compared to his nowadays' scores

    I'd say every talented composer can do totally opposite things - my all-time favorite is Alan Silvestri because he can include the opposite things (and even much more) into a SINGLE film score, and still he is able to insert his signature style in everything he does.

    KEN

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    posted 02-14-2002 08:07 AM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    I think a most amazing diversity was acheived by Jerry Goldsmith in the period 1982 - 83.

    The seamless melding of brutal modernism and ethereal impressionism in Poltergeist.

    The wonder and lyricism of The Secret of Nimh.

    The Japanese ethnic flavorings and harsh rythms of The Challenge.

    The muscularity of First Blood.

    The broadly diverse pallete of Twilight Zone: The Movie which ranges from the lyrical and sentimental to minimalism to the outragous and experimental.

    The moody Central American (and Andean) colors of Under Fire.

    A wild range indeed.

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    posted 02-14-2002 08:53 AM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    The above are wonderful examples. Yikes, James, hate to admit I've never even heard of Hyperspace.. Off to the video store.

    We still have more composers to cover.

    I’m no Herrmann expert, but a while ago I watched The Ghost
    and Mrs. Muir
    with its attractive “time-passage” music and melodies,
    and none of it sounded like some of the scores he did for Hitchcock movies.

    Franz Waxman. What a versatile composer. Want Russian action music then
    try Taras Bulba which sounds nothing like the small town Americana music
    in Peyton Place. Or contrast the western sound, including love theme
    and action music in Cimarron to the medieval swashbuckling music
    in Prince Valiant.

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    posted 02-14-2002 04:20 PM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    Another deja vu.

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    posted 02-14-2002 04:37 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Joan, many of the great composers span a huge variety of styles, I suppose that's only natural. One particular case does stick in my mind though: Elmer Bernstein's THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

    Coming as it did AFTER his MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM, I think it's surprising that the score is so anchored in the early 50s Victor Young school. The De Mille epic was, of course, a "bible in pictures" thingy with a cinematically archaic style, but I'm still surprised at the zero level of innovation employed by the composer. There are hints of his later (and earlier!) writing in the solos for the source cues, but mostly I get the feeling of "Eh, That's Elmer Bernstein?"

    Oh yes, Howard Shore indeed! Tinkly gay piano themes for BIG, and then the heavy depression of...everything else he's done!

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    posted 02-16-2002 04:11 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Just scanned your original post again, Joan. You already mentioned Bernstein's TEN. Doh, so we agree!

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    posted 02-16-2002 04:47 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have highlighted Howard Shore's BIG as being the antithesis of everything else he's done. He's got other gay, tinkly scores under his belt like MRS DOUBTFIRE.

    Nobody mentioned Henry Mancini? I suppose his claim to fame is his romantic music, but when he wanted to whip up tension, he whipped it up alright. It's intriguing to think of the composer of BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S and THE PINK PANTHER at work on the unsubtle terrors of THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON.

    I remember seeing an interview with Mancini on TV, just before the release of LIFEFORCE, in which he asked permission to get up and play some music from his "latest horror score". So he sat down at the piano and prombtly slammed his elbows down on the keyboard. That was it! Great old Hank.

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    posted 02-17-2002 02:00 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Graham, so glad you mentioned Henry Mancini. The public tends to associate him with melodic scores like Breakfast at Tiffanys and songs like Moon River, and the public would be rather shocked to know he scored Lifeforce.

    Shore is a modern composer who is showing more and more versatility with each score. For a while I thought he was all textures and atmospheric sounds only, but my revisiting Big and last year's The Score and LOTR all have lead me to reevaluate his work.

    NP Jane Eyre

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