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    Topic:   Favorite Classic Trek TV score?

     TV's Frank
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    I was listening to some of the classic Trek TV scores at lunch and was doing a mental list of what I considered my favorite scores from the series. And, of course, I have to pose the question to all of you as well!

    My favorites would be:

    THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE - Kaplan
    SHORE LEAVE - Fried
    AMOK TIME - Fried
    THE ENEMY WITHIN - Kaplan
    SPECTRE OF THE GUN - Fielding
    THE CORBOMITE MANUEVER - Steiner
    TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES - Fielding
    THE PARADISE SYNDROME - Fried
    WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF - Steiner

    Are there any favorites that have yet to make onto an album?
    There are still episodes I haven't seen of the original series, such as DAY OF THE DOVE and ENTERPRISE INCIDENT which apparently have great scores, but I am trying to catch up. I miss this style of Trek scoring, really kick-ass, complicated, rich, and expressive.


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    posted 02-13-2002 03:44 PM PT (US)     

     JeffBond
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    Ah, my favorite topic. Let it be said that ALL classic Trek scores are great (well, maybe not "I, Mudd"). I think the best GNP Trek album combines "The Doomsday Machine" and "Amok Time," which is almost all the great Trek music you could ever want...that plus every note written by Fred Steiner.

    There are two scores I have said a million times MUST be released on CD: Gerald Fried's "Friday's Child" (a great lyrical theme, tons of fantastic action and adventure music and maybe the greatest play-in and play-out Enterprise flyby music ever written), and George Duning's "Metamorphosis"--the quintessential Star Trek love theme, beautiful flybys and gorgeous planetary cues. There are also two Fred Steiner scores that would make a great album: "Who Mourns For Adonais" and "Elaan of Troyius." Those are my faves of what hasn't been released yet.

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    posted 02-13-2002 04:07 PM PT (US)     

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    "Friday's Child"! That's the one I need to catch that has been mentioned often! And "Elaan" was another that I recently saw for the first time and loved the extended battle cues for the Klingon sequences.

    Thanks, Jeff, I knew I could count on a response from you. By the way, your Trek Music book is phenomenal, I even reread sections from time to time to frefresh my memory on the music history of the show. I now try to identify which music cues are being tracked into the classic episodes and which episode they were originally composed. The third season is full of tracked episodes, so it makes it fun when trying to watch a particularly BAD episode (such as "Whom Gods Destroy" and "Lights of Zetar").

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    posted 02-13-2002 04:53 PM PT (US)     

     TV's Frank
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    Ooops, I wrote "frefresh" and that should have been "refresh". Maybe I just invented a new advertising buzz word...

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    posted 02-13-2002 04:56 PM PT (US)     

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    Fred Steiner's WHO MOURNS FOR ADONIS? is my favorite classic Trek score, very Herrmann sounding score,haunting,mysterious and powerful.This needs a big orchestra and a new recording.

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    posted 02-13-2002 11:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Glad to see so many Fred Steiner people come out of the woodwork. I, too, enjoyed his work on the series best of all. He had a real talent for the well placed dramatic accent.

    By the way, did anyone catch RUN FOR THE SUN on Turner Classics the week before last--in a letterboxed print of all things? This variation on "The Most Dangerous Game" contains what is arguably Steiner's best FILM score (next to another under-appreciated Richard Widmark picture, TIME LIMIT). It features some neat Central American ethnic percussion and fine chase and suspense music, including that great massed-high stings-rising-to-infinty cue for the plane crash. No doubt the masters to this unremarked treasure are no where to be found in this day and age to enable a belated FSM release.

    It's almost a shame that someday (and I hope it's a long way off) Steiner's epitaph will most likely be that he wrote the theme for PERRY MASON.

    But, I do digress.

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    posted 02-14-2002 06:47 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:

    THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE - Kaplan
    AMOK TIME - Fried
    THE ENEMY WITHIN - Kaplan
    THE CORBOMITE MANUEVER - Steiner

    EXACTLY!

    What great music this is. What a shame that none of the new Trek comes anywhere near the same galaxy as Classic Trek for musical character.

    I was watching one of the Trek shows a few nights ago (I honestly don't remember which one it was, ST:TNG, Voyager, or Enterprise) and thinking how incredibly bland the "music" was.

    I don't blame the composers, not directy> But I do blame the notorious Rick Berman for relentlessly imposing his limp sensibilites on the music.

    Take a lesson from the Classic Trek scores. That was REAL music!


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    posted 02-14-2002 07:13 AM PT (US)     

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    "Who Mourns for Adonais" would be a good thing.

    ot: Last Night's Enterprise was among the most tedious of Star Trek exercises ever. A classic plot, the space lifeboat, completely drained of all drama. Embarrassing. Of course, no one individual is at fault. There may have been a great script once upon a time but was run through the scrip grinder and turned into ... it's just too horrible to contemplate. Happy thoughts ...

    "Who Mourns for Adonais" would be a good thing.

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    posted 02-14-2002 12:05 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, I liked the part about T'Pol having a "good bum." But didn't they kind of drain the suspense a bit by showing us right away the the Enterprise was just fine? Also, I was a little stunned to find out that people in the 22nd century think that:

    a.) hair and fingernails keep growing after death. That's an OLD, old wive's tail that just ain't true.

    and

    b.) shuttlecraft SLOW DOWN when they deactivate their engines in space. Isn't there a science advisor on this show? Once you achieve the speed you want you can coast on momentum quite a while, thank you.

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    posted 02-14-2002 01:54 PM PT (US)     

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    I enjoyed last night's episode, though I agree that it shouldn't have been revealed so early that the Enterprise was still in one piece.
    Trip is my favorite character. If I was building a Trek "Dream Team", he would be on it in some form or fashion.
    And I laughed out loud when the drunken talk turned towards T'pol. It's been awhile since Trek made me laugh so hard, but with it and not at it.

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    posted 02-14-2002 02:37 PM PT (US)     

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    I like having a faux John Hurt and a faux Tommy Lee Jones on a starship as much as the next guy, but the nice bum part really, really reminded me of Mike Myers' Simon character.

    I thought at first that Trip was yanking his chain about the beard-growing-post-mortem but then he stopped shaving! Dopes! Maybe in the future everybody has improved hair that keeps on growing. Yeah, that's the explanation.

    As to momentum and its conservation ... how about that T'Pol, huh? I bet she's a goer! Eh? Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge! Know what I mean? Say no more!

    And who packs glasses on a shuttle? Did I skip a step?

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    posted 02-14-2002 04:44 PM PT (US)     

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    METAMORPHOSIS by George Duning! Heard it for the last time about... twenty years ago in a re-run. Can still sing at least the first eight notes of it! Gorgeous, brilliant, fantastic score.

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    posted 02-15-2002 03:07 PM PT (US)     

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    So many wonderful scores. Guess I'm a little partial to Shore Leave. My all time favorite cue occurs in City on the Edge of Forever, however; 's the scene in the furnace room when Edith remarks how out of place her visitors appear. Spock then gives his customary "Interesting..." and then asks, "...and where do you estimate we belong, Miss Keeler?" What a magnicent piece of music Fred Steiner composed to accompany her response. Gave it a real ethereal touch. And his later adaptation/interpolation of Good Night, Sweetheart was just plain wonderful.

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    posted 02-15-2002 04:47 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh yes, apart from my rant about George Duning's unreleased score for Metamorphosis, I agree with all of you on those other great things. Fred Steiner, Alexander Courage and Gerald Fried seemed to be the backbone of it all, though all the contributions were of the highest standard.

    And kudos to the music editors. Even when they weren't original scores and were tracked in, they all worked a treat.

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    posted 02-16-2002 03:43 PM PT (US)     

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    Memo to Graham: There's a specific name for the luv theme in METAMORPHOSIS. The name of it is: It's Her.

    Memo to Howard: SHORE LEAVE has its moments, but that satanically cutesy-poo Finnegan tune really sets my teeth on edge. Although I suppose I should give Fried credit for maintaining a musical fidelity to the screen. Because the musical cliche of the Finnegan tune is a perfect complement to the characterological cliche of Finnegan himself. (And I can say that cause I'm Scottish.)

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    posted 02-17-2002 12:16 PM PT (US)     

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    Luscious, you haven't got a very Scottish name. And wasn't Finnegan supposed to be Irish anyway? Doesn't matter, I still like Gerald Fried's theme for him.

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    posted 02-17-2002 01:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, I was taping some of the Trek episodes during yesterday's Sci-Fi marathon because there are still some I have yet to see. Now today I read how heavily edited the episodes are that air on Sci-Fi. I am not naive, I know this is done for more ad space, but I though the TOS episodes had once aired unedited on Sci-Fi and therefore continued to do so.

    So, I am curious to know if there are fans out there who can let me know some examples of where the episodes have been edited.

    Sorry for the non-film score reply here - at least I started this as a score topic!

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    posted 02-19-2002 02:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Frank, I can't really help you there, but I seem to recall that years back, when I used to video those episodes shown on the BBC, the seemingly complete episodes ran about 49 minutes and included a pre-credits sequence plus all the run-up and take-up shots just before and after the original commercial breaks.

    Many of the episodes I recorded, however, cut those bits, which may account for the loss of about...what, a couple of minute's footage at most? But as some episodes clocked in at only 44 minutes, I suppose there must have been more stuff edited out.

    Thinking again about the pre-credits sequences, I don't think they actually ever were cut out, but the Beeb used to stick them on AFTER the titles...or something like that.

    Hey people, I'm really struggling as you can see. Help us out?

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    posted 02-23-2002 02:05 PM PT (US)     

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    I could probably give you the details on what was cut from each episode if I could bring himself to watch them, but the Sci Fi Channel showings are utterly butchered.

    Someone took a stab at making the cuts somewhat sensible, but they are brutal. They are not suitable for any kind of archiving, even of the most casual sort, and they are not at all suitable if you don't know the eps already. I don't know who should watch them - probably no one.

    The cuts are everywhere - it's just painful.

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    posted 02-23-2002 07:44 PM PT (US)     

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    Hm. I haven't watched a broadcast of Star Trek in years. I have them on video (one day, when I have the money, I will upgrade to the DVDs). I do, however, recall seeing many odd edits in the episodes, one of the most jarring being in "Devil in the Dark," in which Spock is examining one of the Horta eggs and Kirk asks him why he's interested in it. All of a sudden there is a cut to the two of them standing in a cave. I don't know what that accomplished, but it sure was jarring.

    I have to say that the Crescendo disc of "The Doomsday Machine" and "Amok Time" was a dream come true. I just wish that Fred Steiner's contribution to the series wasn't relegated to a suite on the second "Best of" disc. He deserved better as the primary musical voice of Star Trek.

    At least the Varese discs with him conducting the Royal Philharmonic give a more rounded presentation of his talents. "Charlie X" is another of my favorites by him; the music for the three-dimensional chess game between him and Spock is one of my favorite cues.

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    posted 02-23-2002 11:32 PM PT (US)     

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    Describe that music, if possible. I know the scene; Spock's explaining the rules when Charlie cuts & waves him off, says something like, "I know all that, just play".

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    posted 02-24-2002 01:31 PM PT (US)     

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    "Enterprise": CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP...

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    posted 02-24-2002 03:08 PM PT (US)     

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    It's on the first Varese disc. It was also used as the landing party explore the ruins at the beginning of "Arena."

    It consists of woodwinds playing a descending and ascending series of notes, interrupted from time to time by a piano, with accompaniment.

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    posted 02-24-2002 08:02 PM PT (US)     

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    I love the Original Star Trek, but it's been years since I've had an opportunity to watch them again.
    Along with many of the favorites listed above, I seem to recall that Plato's Stepchildren featured a wonderful musical score. I have no idea who compsed it, or even if it was an original score, or a retread.

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    posted 02-24-2002 09:03 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger:
    I love the Original [b]Star Trek, but it's been years since I've had an opportunity to watch them again.
    Along with many of the favorites listed above, I seem to recall that Plato's Stepchildren featured a wonderful musical score. I have no idea who compsed it, or even if it was an original score, or a retread.[/B]

    Get the book by Jeff Bond and learn all! It's a good thing.

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    posted 02-25-2002 01:16 AM PT (US)     

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    Plato's Stepchildren was written by Alexander Courage; I think that may have actually been the last original score written for the series. It's interesting how Courage wrote the pilot scores and some of the earliest episodes, disappeared for the second season (working on Dr. Dolittle among other things) and then returned to finish the show.

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    posted 02-25-2002 09:13 AM PT (US)     

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    I bitterly regret that Sandy Courage didn't score the first STAR TREK movie. Sandy's weird exoticism---and, let's face it, downright mystical genius---would have been far preferable to Goldsmith's banal score. (Please don't hit me.)

    Regarding CHARLIE X: Like Monsieur Kinsinger, I haven't seen it since Eisenhower carried his own golf clubs. But I remember being impressed by one of those 4-second fly-by shots of the Enterprise. First they show a female redshirt whose face has been blanked out by Charlie. Then they immediately segue to the fly-by shot. It's a breathtaking juxtaposition.

    By the way, have you ever noticed that whenever STAR TREK pulled the deux-ex-machina shtick and brought in superior gaseous aliens to save the Enterprise, these aliens always talked with plummy English accents? What is it with that crap anyway? It happens at the end of CHARLIE X and THE SQUIRE OF GOTHOS (with good ol' Babs Babcock.) And don't forget that fruity-tooty British-alien who manifests himself at the end of ARENA and addresses Kirk with typical Brit-git condescension. I was always hoping that at least one of those superior gassy types would talk like a Noo Yawkuh, but tragically it never happened.

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    posted 02-25-2002 03:12 PM PT (US)     

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    It consists of woodwinds playing a descending and ascending series of notes, interrupted from time to time by a piano, with accompaniment.

    Thank you, Swashbuckler. It is in the far reaches of my old mind's ear and for some reason I'm connecting (or confusing) it with a sound from Allan Gray's The African Queen.

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