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Spicy Ramen Oscar® Winner	Given that both films will be premiering at about the same time, which one will have a bigger take at the box office. And which score would you buy first?
posted 01-22-2002 07:36 AM PT (US)

JoeinAr Oscar® Nominee	Well lets see, Harry Potter comes out Nov. 15, 2002, Star Trek X, Nemesis comes out Nov. 22, 2002 and Two Towers comes out Dec. 18th 2002. So I will buy Harry Potter, as long as it Williams, first. Then I will buy Goldsmith's Nemesis, and I won't buy Two Towers. I expect the boxoffice battle to be similar to this year. Can Harry edge out LOTR 2 years in a row? Depends on book 5 Order of the Phoenix, it may boost fan interest enough for HP and the Chamber of Secrets. We will know this time next year.
posted 01-22-2002 08:08 AM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	I'm thinking things will be about the same. If advance word on Star Trek X is good enough, then there is a chance that it could draw business away from Harry, but it's not likely to damage the box office too much. As for which score I would buy first... the only factor deciding that is the order in which they are released. Kirk
posted 01-22-2002 10:24 AM PT (US)

SEBULBA Oscar® Winner	Well, Harry Potter is now the 9th biggest grossing movie in history. Only $400,000 more to go, and it'll beat Return Of The Jedi. I would say Harry will definately beat out LOTR next year. Although LOTR will still do well.
posted 01-22-2002 10:30 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	*::Brian apparates into the thread and all chatting stops dead::* Actually, "Chamber of Secrets" is coming out Nov 15th and "The Two Towers" is coming out end of Dec, same thing that happened this year, and I'm sure like this year both films will have good runs of box office and CD sales. *::Brian magicaly apparates from the thread::* --Brian HA! I'm getting both scores because they will both kick some major ass! [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 01-22-2002]
posted 01-22-2002 11:33 AM PT (US)

Camillu Oscar® Winner	The outcome might also be affected by how Fellowship of the Ring does at the Oscars. If if gets nominated it will have huge publicity during awards night. That always helps. Personally I'm looking forward to buying TTT more.
posted 01-22-2002 11:57 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by James: As for which score I would buy first... the only factor deciding that is the order in which they are released. Same here! This is going to be a great year for film scores. NP: The Others (Alejandro Amenabar)
posted 01-22-2002 12:06 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	I think that they will both do well and I see no need to "pit" them against each other. The only way Chamber of Secrets can bomb is if Order of the Phoenix destroys the Harry Potter audience. I don't care how good Star Trek X is, it would have to be the greatest Star Trek movie of all time to revive this intensive care patient. I’d love a good Trek flic, but I have strong doubts that such can happen under the current paramount regime. Competition for Harry Potter and LOTR:Two Towers? No Way! What was the last Trek Picture to even get close to these two properties? Maybe Star Trek II or IV.
posted 01-22-2002 02:30 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Will HARRY POTTER PART 2 be "directed" by the same Chris Columbus??
posted 01-22-2002 02:37 PM PT (US)

Peter Criss Oscar® Winner	Harry Potter, no doubt about it!The book is amazing and the Williams sure will give us another perfect score... Please one more difficult now! The Catman
posted 01-22-2002 03:22 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Sorry, but I don't think so. Specially with the lame and burocratic Columbus on the helm. I am sure it will make some money (most of it among the die hard fans and kids), but people who saw the first movie and were disapointed won't care for the next one. But maybe with all the success of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, the producers decide to go for something more well crafted, particulary the screenplay. Lets wait and see.
posted 01-22-2002 03:39 PM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	I'd also like to say that I think some of you are getting a little ahead of yourselves in being so certain that the title of the fifth book is "Order of the Phoenix." I'm sure it's just as accurate as "The Doomspell Tournament"... Kirk
posted 01-22-2002 03:49 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Well, I've read seveal times that "Order of the Phoenix" was given by Rowling herself. Of course, she might still change it. But even if the book bombs, I doubt it will stop anyone who's read Chamber of Secrets from seeing the film. Plus it has Branagh in it.
posted 01-22-2002 04:24 PM PT (US)

Spicy Ramen Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: Well, I've read seveal times that "Order of the Phoenix" was given by Rowling herself. Of course, she might still change it. But even if the book bombs, I doubt it will stop anyone who's read Chamber of Secrets from seeing the film. Plus it has Branagh in it. Yeah that is the official title. They had an A&E special on Rowling and she basically confirmed it.
posted 01-22-2002 05:28 PM PT (US)

Jared Cowing Oscar® Winner	I will buy: Star Trek: Nemisis Twin Towers Harry Potter optional And you people are forgetting another one which I sencerely hope will put Edelman back in the spotlight (if he does the score-) Gods and Generals (also this fall)
posted 01-22-2002 06:31 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	I'll get Two Towers on hte day it comes out, hear Nemesis in movie first, and forget aobut Harry Potty, but not before buying whatever Hans Zimmer and John Powell and Harry Gregson-Williams has released
posted 01-22-2002 06:44 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	*::Brian apparates into the thread and all chatting stops dead::* "Order of the Phoenix" has been the title for a long time. Don't know where you all have been... --Brian *::Brian magicaly apparates from the thread::*
posted 01-22-2002 10:08 PM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	My point is, "The Doomspell Tournament," was also official, and was also parading as the final title for quite a long time before suddenly it became "The Goblet of Fire." I'm not saying "Order of the Phoenix" isn't the title, and I'm not saying that I expect it to change, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
posted 01-22-2002 10:29 PM PT (US)

Camillu Oscar® Winner	Hopefully we'll all be too enthralled by Episode 2's score to bother about which is the best of the autumn releases.......
posted 01-22-2002 11:07 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	Yeah, after TPM, WE SHOULD ALLLLLL HOPE!
posted 01-22-2002 11:54 PM PT (US)

Kris Oscar® Winner	I agree with André on HARRY POTTER 2. It won't be that huge a success compared to the first one. A lot of people were kind of disapointed with part one. They won't go and see the second one. The above can't be said about LOTR. Everyone I know loved it. Some of my friends saw it more than once. Usually I'm the one that sees movies multiple times. The 2001 race POTTER vs. LOTR isn't over yet. LOTR might eventually win in the long run. Well, I hope it does. PS: I'll buy all major scores mentioned in this thread as soon as they get released. [Message edited by Kris on 01-23-2002]
posted 01-23-2002 01:14 AM PT (US)

Beatty Oscar® Winner	I wager 300 quatloos on the humans!
posted 01-23-2002 11:01 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Originally posted by Kris: I agree with André on HARRY POTTER 2. It won't be that huge a success compared to the first one. A lot of people were kind of disapointed with part one. They won't go and see the second one. I gather that you are not a fan of the Potter books...never doubt the power of the fans! --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 01-23-2002]
posted 01-23-2002 11:05 AM PT (US)

jeffy Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: Hopefully we'll all be too enthralled by Episode 2's score to bother about which is the best of the autumn releases....... Hear, hear! From what I've read on jwfan.net, it's going to be rockin'!!!!! And I was one of those who liked FOTR, but absolutely loved Potter. Don't get me wrong, I will see both films, and I think even those who didn't care about HP the first time will go back to see if things change.
posted 01-23-2002 11:09 AM PT (US)

Quill Oscar® Winner	Well let's see...Fellowship is at about $240M and counting...Potter a little over $300 and fading fast. With an Oscar push there is still a chance for the hobbits to catch the wizard...not that it matters. Another factor...Fellowship opened on 25% fewer screens and runs 40 minutes longer. Do the math and per screen average for Fellowship is probably higher...again, not that it matters. Final tidbit...the worldwide take of Fellowship in 1-month is over $500M...which is double the trilogy's budget and now surpasses the total budget for all three films including expected marketing costs. Not that it matters...is there an echo... Here's to another great chapter of a great trilogy...Two Towers. Even if it makes more money...Chamber of Secrets is a distant, derivative second.
posted 01-23-2002 03:50 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Quill is 100% right. Not that it matters to the HARRY POTTER'S die hard fans... [Message edited by André Lux on 01-23-2002]
posted 01-23-2002 07:45 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	This is fairly useless. We are debating the relative box offices of films that aren't even released yet. I am correct in gathering that film that makes the most money will be the "winner"? Unless one of us is a studio executive green lighting pictures or marketing campaigns, I don't see the point. Both these films can do well. They did last year. Why is it so important for one film to fail? Is the only way to validate our opinion by wishing for the financial ruin of the film we don’t THINK we will like? This reminds of when I saw Episode I. There was kid behind me that told his mom he had to keep seeing this picture until it made more money than Titanic. Of course he hadn’t actually seen the film, he didn’t even know if he would like it. Right now, both of these film series have had ONE successful entry. The only certain thing is that there will be sequels. See the one you want. Don't see either of them. See 'em both. Who cares? Let's have this discussion a year from now when we have more that supposition and pep squad cheerleading to back our views.
posted 01-23-2002 08:12 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	The point is, MW, that FOTR is making loads of money because is too damn good, while the other is a weak movie which made good money thanks to an overwhelming massive marketing campaign - something that won't work with the next one, since those which are not readers of the Potter books won't care for it... That's the only thing people like Quill and myself are trying to discuss.
posted 01-23-2002 08:22 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	which one will have a bigger take at the box office I have no idea. And which score would you buy first? Based on the past: neither.
posted 01-23-2002 08:26 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: Based on the past: neither. Whose past? Yours?
posted 01-23-2002 08:29 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	While I will only buy the second Harry Potter CD if Williams provides the score, I won't even bother to see the film especially if it turns out to be the dull, jumbled badly paced film the first one turned out to be. While a few of you may disagree with me, the only saving grace was Williams score to the film. One plus is that ILM will be doing the visuals for the second Potter film and they can only improve the bland effects of the first film. Ray Harryhausen could have done just as well with his stop-motion than what we saw. I'm eagerly awaiting the second installment of LOTR and Shore's score to it.
posted 01-23-2002 08:49 PM PT (US)

Spicy Ramen Oscar® Winner	In terms of a really viable franchise, I would go with Harry Potter. There are 5 more planned upcoming movies, and who knows how much the merchandising has made already. Sad to say but Lord of the Rings will never reach the success that Star Wars which people seem to be comparing. Star Wars came out and literally changed sci-fi when it came out in '77. Lord of the Rings meanwhile has been scrutinized ever since it came out as a book. The movie faced harsh criticism as well, as many wondered if it will live up to expectations.
posted 01-23-2002 08:57 PM PT (US)

Spicy Ramen Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by MWRuger: This is fairly useless. We are debating the relative box offices of films that aren't even released yet. I am correct in gathering that film that makes the most money will be the "winner"? Unless one of us is a studio executive green lighting pictures or marketing campaigns, I don't see the point. Both these films can do well. They did last year. Why is it so important for one film to fail? Is the only way to validate our opinion by wishing for the financial ruin of the film we don’t THINK we will like? This reminds of when I saw Episode I. There was kid behind me that told his mom he had to keep seeing this picture until it made more money than Titanic. Of course he hadn’t actually seen the film, he didn’t even know if he would like it. Right now, both of these film series have had ONE successful entry. The only certain thing is that there will be sequels. See the one you want. Don't see either of them. See 'em both. Who cares? Let's have this discussion a year from now when we have more that supposition and pep squad cheerleading to back our views. Actually this echoes back to the haydays of Star Wars vs. Star Trek. I remember when there were countless days wasted arguing which was a better franchise. Now, we have 2 newcomers Both on books, and extremely successful We all know that both will never reach the level Star Wars has (even Star Trek succumbed to the almightly Lucas)...But perhaps....:P
posted 01-23-2002 09:00 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	(WARNING: SARCASM BELOW- PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK) I guess I am too old to find the effects in Harry Potter bland and uninteresting. I saw so many bad special effects movies in the past that I thought Harry Potter’s effects were quite nice. Thanks for setting me straight guys! But just for my prurient interest, which scenes do you think resembled or would have been improved by the stop motion technique? If you didn’t like the pacing, then for heaven’s sake, don’t read the book. The movie follows the book quite closely. Again, I’ve probably seen two many botched adaptations to recognize one that actually follows the book, so I am sure that pacing could have been improved by removing annoying scenes that don’t really advance the plot in the book or the movie. You know, you could actually apply every one of the above criticisms to LOTR:FOTR. Some of the CGI wasn’t as good as it could have been. Maybe stop motion would have helped. The film doesn’t really get cooking until about 90 minutes into the film so I guess the pacing was pretty wretched in this one too. Yeah, these were certainly awful films. I only saw them twice so I could make sure that there were as awful as I thought. Gosh, I hope we don’t get films as terrible as this to deal with this year. Maybe we can get a sequel to Pearl Harbor or Dude, Where’s my Car to take the bad taste of these two stinkers out of our mouths. But since box office is THE most important thing in determining the quality of the movie, Titanic is surely the greatest movie of all time since it grossed more than LOTR:FOTR and Harry Potter did. Yep. This must make James Horner’s score the greatest of all time because it sold so well. After all, money is really the only way to judge a movie. (WARNING: SARCASM HAS ENDED – Thank you for enjoying our sarcastic rant. We know you have choices in sarcastic rants and we hope that you will enjoy our sarcasm in future and thanks again for flying psychotic messageboard postings. Okay. Now the sarcasm is really over.)
posted 01-23-2002 10:14 PM PT (US)

Kris Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: I gather that you are not a fan of the Potter books...never doubt the power of the fans! --Brian I actually do love the books but I just thought the movie lacked emotions (apart from Hagrid, who I loved).
posted 01-24-2002 12:04 AM PT (US)

mtodd Oscar® Winner	Potter vs. Rings??? Please. There are no losers, only 1 winner: AOL-TIME WARNER
posted 01-25-2002 10:34 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I don't have a problem with AOL-TIME WARNER making its profits with such a noble movie. Besides, when movies are so good as the LOTR trilogy, the audience wins too.
posted 01-26-2002 05:30 AM PT (US)

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