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    Topic:   Moulin Rouge Wins Golden Globe Best Score

     Kevin
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    Moulin Rouge won. I have not heard it, but I don't think it eould hold a candle to FOTR.

    Kevin

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    posted 01-20-2002 06:20 PM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    I think I heard about 5 minutes of score in this movie (not counting the instrumental end credits which would add another 5 minutes I guess).
    The rest of what I heard consists of orchestral arrangements of songs.

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    posted 01-20-2002 06:26 PM PT (US)     

     dgoldwas
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Dinko:
    I think I heard about 5 minutes of score in this movie (not counting the instrumental end credits which would add another 5 minutes I guess).
    The rest of what I heard consists of orchestral arrangements of songs.

    Actually, there's at least 20 solid minutes of score in the film....

    THE FULL MONTY won the Oscar for Best Score with less.....

    Dan

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    posted 01-20-2002 07:30 PM PT (US)     

     John Zimmer
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    A.I. A.I. A.I. where's A.I. ?? Come on now folks. If not that then FOTR.

    Jz

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    posted 01-20-2002 08:00 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Armstrong's score is as effective as both LotR and A.I. in film... Just because you didn't contact with it on a personal level (or, hell, even SEE the film and see how well Armstrong's score functioned), don't speak of it and how it shouldn't have won.

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    posted 01-20-2002 08:49 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by dgoldwas:
    Actually, there's at least 20 solid minutes of score in the film....

    Which is Kevin's point....

    20 minutes of solid score versus 150 minutes of solid score. Parallel this in terms of candlelight power and you'll begin to understand Kevin's comment about "candle."

    Dan's point, if he had one, is that Full Monty won "Best Original Score" with 10 minutes of original music and a strong showing of music in the film overall (which is Moulin Rouge's case). I venture to suggest this misunderstanding on the voters' part - a confusion of "best use of music in a comedy or musical" and "best original music written for a comedy or musical." There's no other explanation in my mind.

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    posted 01-20-2002 09:08 PM PT (US)     

     Lightborne
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    Nicely pointed out, Peter.

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    posted 01-20-2002 09:13 PM PT (US)     

     dgoldwas
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    Yes, Peter, you got it. Sorry I wasn't a bit more clear with a , but I was indeed trying to imbue the post with a bit of sarcasm.

    I enjoyed Armstrong's score to MOULIN ROUGE, certainly, but I somehow don't think it was the actual score that the HFP was voting on.

    Dan

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    posted 01-20-2002 10:13 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    You'd think they'd be knowledgeable about what they're voting for.......

    Hopefully LOTR will have it's day somewhere in March. Not that it matters that much anyway. I just want to see Shore get rewarded for his great work.

    (along with Jackson, Osborne, McKellan, Astin, Alan Lee, etc.)

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    posted 01-20-2002 10:43 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Dan - are those 20 mins or so going to be released on the 2nd album, or are some of them already on the first CD?

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    posted 01-20-2002 10:51 PM PT (US)     

     SCimmerian
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    Hey kids its time to change the kitty litter

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    posted 01-20-2002 10:56 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    I liked the songs in "Rouge." I'm just glad "Mind" did not win

    I wanted, like the rest, LOTR.

    --Brian

    PS: To correct Kevin Spacey, no "Shrek" was not the highest grosing film of 2001, that belongs to the one and only "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone."

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    posted 01-20-2002 10:58 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Camillu:
    Dan - are those 20 mins or so going to be released on the 2nd album, or are some of them already on the first CD?

    Well, dunno how much of it will be there, but yes (as I've said many many times in all the other MOULIN ROUGE threads), there will be score on the 2nd release. (No score on the first CD.)

    Dan

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    posted 01-20-2002 11:17 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    And that second CD comes out Feb 26th

    --Bri

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    posted 01-21-2002 08:16 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
    And that second CD comes out Feb 26th

    And you know what's funny? I still don't care! Guess that makes me either A) a bad film score fan, or 2) a snob.

    Kevin

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    posted 01-21-2002 08:20 AM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    To be perfectly honest, I haven't been able to notice any score at all in Moulin Rouge...

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    posted 01-21-2002 11:31 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by jonathan_little:
    To be perfectly honest, I haven't been able to notice any score at all in Moulin Rouge...

    Try watching it again, and focus on it... it's there, quite prominently.

    Dan

    [Message edited by dgoldwas on 01-21-2002]

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    posted 01-21-2002 11:38 AM PT (US)     

     SPQR
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    Can 20 min's of underscore in a musical be properly referred to as being "prominent"?

    Apart from the Offenbach riffs and the songs, obviously, I barely heard anything above the high strung(out) jabbering and sound effects.

    I suppose if the film had some innate charm to it I could look past the film's
    excesses...but I heard and saw nothing in this maelstrom of costume changes and high-wire editing that remotely bore any resemblance to something I'd call entertainment.

    That I've never been receptive to MTV dramaturgy might have something to do with it...

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    posted 01-21-2002 12:23 PM PT (US)     

     Bozman
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    I think some folks are misreading what the word "score" means. In Moulin Rouge, just because actors are singing over music does not mean that the underlying music is not a score. If you want to talk about "just score", then the category should be "Best Music Written for a Film That is Presented as Music Only in the Motion Picute with No Singing."

    I'm not sure I agree with Moulin Rouge winning best score, but I certainly don't think FOTR deserved it either. I actually thought that with the exception of 8 or 10 scenes, the score was one of the problems with the film.

    Cheers!

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    posted 01-21-2002 12:39 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    Bozman:

    The actual category is "Best Original Score" not "Best Arranged Pop Songs for a Musical. If it had said soundtrack instead of score then I might agree.

    As a lover of musicals (Yes I liked the film), I would bet about a million dollars that they voted for the songs, not the score. Just like Full Monty.

    I got the academy promo for Full Monty and there wasn't anything there that was as good as what lost.

    I have heard the score for Moulin Rouge and the songtrack and the songs are what won it and they aren't even original songs. Bottom line, I think the songs did more for the film than the score did. But the Category is "Best Original Score" not "Most Effective Music" It may seem like semantics, but words do matter.

    I could have lived with Mulholland Drive, AI, LOTR:FOTR, or The Shipping News winning. But I knew Moulin Rouge would win for the reasons already stated.

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    posted 01-21-2002 01:48 PM PT (US)     

     SPQR
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    quote:
    In Moulin Rouge, just because actors are singing over music does not mean that the underlying music is not a score.

    Yes, but a 3 to 4 minute SELF-CONTAINED construct consisting of the human voice singing over music is generally understood and referred to as 'song' and not a 'score'.

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    posted 01-21-2002 02:38 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Bozman:
    I actually thought that with the exception of 8 or 10 scenes, the score was one of the problems with the film.

    Same here. Though maybe I would have said around 60-70 scenes.

    p.s. Did we watch the same film?

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    posted 01-21-2002 02:42 PM PT (US)     

     Bozman
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    MWRuger:

    I agree that they voted for the songs, or at the very least the overall musical palate of the film. This is the Golden Globes we’re talking about after all, which a good friend mine calls “The Festival of Cheapness.” Best Music would be a more fitting category for that show, as I don’t think journalists are qualified to judge a score. In the Academy, at least the composers have some say in who wins.

    Cheers!

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    posted 01-21-2002 05:35 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    quote:
    Originally posted by SPQR:
    Yes, but a 3 to 4 minute SELF-CONTAINED construct consisting of the human voice singing over music is generally understood and referred to as 'song' and not a 'score'.

    LOL!


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    posted 01-21-2002 05:37 PM PT (US)     

     SCimmerian
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    Bozoman BOZO. Go change your hearing aid.

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    posted 01-21-2002 06:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Ah yes, SCimmerian proves what is so wonderful about these kinds of message boards: the inabliity for people to discuss an ISSUE without attacking each other. That is, of course, the mature way to handle discourse.

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    posted 01-21-2002 06:47 PM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    We're dealing with what...82 foreign press members...who really cares. Having sat (painfully) through most of the evening it is quite obvious that they were enamored with the film. That's fine...with all the highly regarded films that were released late 2001 I would be surprised if it even grabs a best picture nod. It will most likely win Best Comedy/Musical score...which is fine...it is a musical after all...just keep it away from the real scores. Ooooh...someone's going to slam me for that last remark.

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    posted 01-22-2002 07:43 AM PT (US)     

     jeffy
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    I'm very surprised none of you have mentioned that The Lord of the Rings Oscar chances have been significantly reduced by its shutout at the Globes. It will get a lot of nominations, but now it looks like A Beautiful Mind is gaining momentum, at least in terms of acting, directing and overall brilliance.

    At this point, I'd be surprised if Lord of the Rings wins Best Score. I'd be more surprised if Horner wins (thanks to a sweep for A Beautiful Mind). I'm predicting a backlash for Rings by mid-March.

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    posted 01-22-2002 08:42 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Quill:
    It will most likely win Best Comedy/Musical score...which is fine...it is a musical after all...just keep it away from the real scores. Ooooh...someone's going to slam me for that last remark.

    Well, I can only slam you on the point that there is only ONE score category, not two as it had been back in the Disney-riddled 1990s. You might remember that if you watched the Oscars in 1999 when SOUTH PARK and TARZAN got the shaft.

    Dan

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    posted 01-22-2002 09:19 AM PT (US)     

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    Never fear my fellow music lovers, the Academy announced it's new categories for 2001 and the music awards are split once again: one for score, the other for musical. We can have our cake and eat it too: LOTR wins best score, Moulin Rouge! wins best musical. And btw, anyone else think "All that Love can be" from "Beautiful Mind" worthy of a Nomination? I do. Any thoughts?

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