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André Lux Oscar® Winner	...HERE!
posted 01-19-2002 04:27 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	An interesting little feature that, though it sadly doesnt focus on any of the additional footage from earlier in the film (more form the Prologue, the Shire and Bree). Still, more pics are bound to surface from those segments (and others) eventually, and the Helms Deep article is also very cool! Dan (UK) [Message edited by Dan Brecher on 01-19-2002]
posted 01-19-2002 06:01 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I won't look, I want to be surprised by the DVD. But it just occured to me that great though the film was, we're still in for the REAL treat when we see the full thing later this year. I mean, 25% were cut - we'll probably get a lot more character development and atmospheric sequences (like the Green Dragon inn!). Nevertheless, I'll watch the film at least two more times at the theatre in February - and it looks like it might have a TTT preview then as well! NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #3 (Berlin Philharmonic, Herbert von Karajan)
posted 01-19-2002 09:51 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	It'll be nice to have the screener disc... my cousin somehow got ahold of the screener DVD and has converted it to VCD. And because my DVD player plays VCDs, I'm all set! Should have it in a few days... that should hold me off until the DVD is out! Jeron
posted 01-19-2002 11:35 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	The screener DVD really isnt THAT great sadly. Certainly not as good as New Line's Magnolia academy DVD screener was a couple of years ago. Dan (UK) [Message edited by Dan Brecher on 01-19-2002]
posted 01-19-2002 11:40 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Well Dan, it's the movie. That's all that matters. I'm not looking for a spectacular transfer, DTS sound, extra content or anything...
posted 01-19-2002 12:51 PM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	Indeed.....It's the movie with the "Porperty of New Line Cinema" disclaimer on screen every 15 mins. :-D The Magnolia screener was good. It was actually anamorphic and it was 5.1 (Fellowship is just non-anamorphic and dolby surround). I think the way the Fellowship screener is presented is perhaps more proof if proof be needed Jackson is indeed doing an extended cut and that the DVD transfer has yet to be struck. Also piracy issues for such a major movie come into play too. Regardless, sure, nice thing to have. I could easily watch specific scenes over and over and over. Dan (UK)
posted 01-19-2002 02:35 PM PT (US)

Justin Oscar® Winner	Not to mention a lot of people I know are getting their hands on this screener. Shouldn't be hard to grab. ...and Jeron, I thought you said you hated the idea of screeners? I remember you saying this a while back? Change of mind suddenly? [Message edited by Justin on 01-19-2002]
posted 01-19-2002 02:38 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Justin, we had talked about that regarding your friend's dad getting "Vertical Limit" via VCD before even seeing the film. I had a problem with that, simply because he'd acquired the film without even having seen it in theaters. I had Phantom Menace on VCD like 4 months after it was out in theaters... but deleted it the same week the DVD came out. Rarely have I ever enjoyed a film so much that I'd care to possess a copy of it before it becomes commercially available. But the fact remains, I've seen FOTR twice, am definitely gonna pick up the DVD when it comes out, and will most likely fall into the marketing trap of buying the singularly released copy, then the boxed set later down the line. Regardless, when your cousin IM's you saying "hey, want me to send you a couple cd-rs with the FOTR screener on it?" -- would you expect me to say no? Jeron PS- Don't really care about anamorphic this, 5.1 that... that's what the commercial DVD next fall will boast. I'll get all of that then.
posted 01-20-2002 03:25 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	Marian, I meant to ask (to get us back on track about the deleted footage)... What, if anything, do you know of the axed Lurtz subplot? This creation of Jackson's has failed to sit well with me in the four times I've seen the film now, there are flaws in the film I can easily overlook but the whole Lurtz thing is the one aspect I could say I "hate" about the movie. There's no info on the website Andre mention's, but Lawrence Makoare who played Lurtz (think it was him anyway) has said a lot of his footage is missing. Now, the thought of such footage being back in an extended cut could either please me or terrify me. The upside is that new footage would add additional weight as to why the film even bothers to focus on him in the first place. The donw side is that such footage is just more of the ugly brute shouting and snarling. :-/ Dan (UK)
posted 01-20-2002 09:07 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I agree with Dan on this one. Although I love the movie, I also think the Lurtz character was too over handed (with all that exagerated gore and grunting) and, in the end, didn't help the movie. I can't say I "hate" it, but just wasn't necessary.
posted 01-20-2002 09:25 AM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	SPOILER AHEAD** I think the presence of Lurtz added even more of a sense of triumph when Aragorn chopped off his head. It made the emotional impact perhaps a little more tangible. That still doesn't make him necessary, mind you. I just wasn't nearly as bothered by it as some people were (or as I thought I would be). Kirk **If you haven't seen it yet, WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
posted 01-20-2002 12:57 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I had no real problems with Lurtz. I don't think he was necessary, though I see why they added him. I just find it strange that he is obviously much stronger than the other Uruk Hai, so perhaps there was a bit of explanation that was left out (e.g. that Saruman made special "leading" Uruk Hais). A friend wondered who he is when I saw the film for the first time, so clearly he's a bit confusing. There's one other thing that's a real flaw though. I doesn't really bother me very much (surprisingly), but it's still strange: The effect when Frodo puts on the Ring. Of course, it's very terrifying and explains the danger of the Ring very well - but how the hell did Bilbo use it all the time for over 50 years without noticing anything strange other than that it made him invisible?? (Yeah, the Sackville-Bagginses are unpleasent, but surely he'd still prefer their presence than that huge eye, no?)
posted 01-20-2002 03:23 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I just saw the movie again and, guess, this time Lurtz didn't seem so bad to me! Yes, I still think he snarls, drool and grunts too much (making me remember of those stupid apes from Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE FREAKS - "I am a gorila, therefore I grunt a lot"), but indeed without him the final fight with Aragorn wouldn't make any sense. As for Bilbo not feeling the eye of Sauron, I think it's because Bilbo was already being corrupted by its power. Besides, it was only when Frodo takes the ring that Sauron's forces are getting powerful again - which was, remember, 17 years after Bilbo's departure... Anyway, is it me or this movie gets better and better everytime you see it??
posted 01-20-2002 07:06 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: As for Bilbo not feeling the eye of Sauron, I think it's because Bilbo was already being corrupted by its power. Besides, it was only when Frodo takes the ring that Sauron's forces are getting powerful again - which was, remember, 17 years after Bilbo's departure... But certainly the eye had been there before, just smaller perhaps. And at least the horrible wind noises should have been there. I wonder how Sam's enhanced hearing works at Cirith Ungol? And not that one of the best-acted movies I've seen hardly gets any cast nominations, do I understand it right that it didn't win a SINGLE Golden Globe? What's next? "Best Motion Picture" for Armageddon?? NP: Anton Bruckner: Study Symphony (Royal Scottish National Orchestra, Georg Tintner)
posted 01-20-2002 07:56 PM PT (US)

brutus Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: Anyway, is it me or this movie gets better and better everytime you see it?? It's the movie! Must be, for I noticed the same...
posted 01-21-2002 12:52 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	It's obvious to me that Lurtz and the additional Saruman scenes were there to serve up the presence of more physical villians. Some may not have been satisfied with just a big eye, so I can understand why PJ felt the need to introduce something along these lines, I just don't really love the way he pulled it off... On another note, we have a MASSIVE 43 page thread about Fellowship over at the Home Theatre Forum, latest postings have moved toward the thought that Gollum can be seen perched on top of one otf the king statues as the fellowship pass by in the boats below. Someone took a screen cap of it from the DVD screener but it's too blurry to make out but on 35mm it should be no problem. You'll notice in the shot some birds fly off the statue head and around, apparently the reason is because Gollum is up there. I need to see it again anyway, so I'll be checking this out. Could just be a birds nest, but goodness it'd be neat if he's really there. Dan (UK)
posted 01-21-2002 03:53 AM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Oscar® Winner	Jeron, A little late on this, but I have the screener also in Mpeg format, the thing is HUGE! It's like 4 files @ 850megs a piece, but Soooo worth it. My dvd player supports VCDs but not CDRs so I have to drag a line from the video card to the TV to watch it.. but It's still better than the bootlegs (especialy the asian one with the subtitles and half the prologue missing). No more shaky camera LOTR LOL. I know I shouldn't say anything because it was free and all, but the DVD screener has the text scrolling at the bottom. Now I know this is nessesary for screener copies, but they do it in KEY scenes of suspence, like in Moria when Gandalf is fighting the Balroc, or when Liv Tyler comes towards Frodo glowing in the shadows. I mean, can they get any more subliminal with this?
posted 01-21-2002 08:44 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Marian, as far as I remember, Sauron was not actively looking for the ring until he captured and tortured Gollum. Gandalf says "...He has finally heard of Hobbits and the name Baggins..." From this I conclude that the eye was indeed missing. Further, I would guess that the terrifying nature of the ring is probably not apparent to the wearer. It's still there, but due to the deceptive nature of the ring, he never notices the corruption or the disturbing nature of the world through the ring the way we the viewer see it. He corrupts his perceptions and his reactions to them.
posted 01-21-2002 10:42 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I have to admit that I can't remember when Sauron started looking for the Ring right now... I'll have to look that up. Regarding your second paragraph: Good point, but I imagine even the One Ring would have a hard time making it's wearer not notice all that stuff. Don't get me wrong, I thought it had an excellent effect in the movie, nevertheless. quote: Originally posted by Dan Brecher: You'll notice in the shot some birds fly off the statue head and around, apparently the reason is because Gollum is up there. I'll be looking for that. I missed a lot of details when I watched it the first time, e.g. that Gandalf sings "The Road Goes Ever On And On", the White Tree on Boromir's bracers, or even the stone trolls.
posted 01-21-2002 01:25 PM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	A friend and I have analysed the screener DVD, I'm not sure if that is Gollum, it doesn't move and is pobably just a bunch of twigs forming the birds nest. Only another 35mm definition viewing will confirm however... Dan (UK)
posted 01-22-2002 12:39 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	I liked some of the subtle references to stuff in the books that weren't really blatant... like Legolas walking ON the snow while the others trudge through it.
posted 01-23-2002 08:49 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Yup. My favorite bit probably is how they included "A Shortcut to Mushrooms" in the dialogue, though. NP: Ride With the Devil (Mychael Danna) - With thanks to Timmer!
posted 01-24-2002 10:01 AM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	That was cute.
posted 01-24-2002 02:46 PM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	quote: like Legolas walking ON the snow while the others trudge through it. Yes, that gained an "oooooh look at that" (in my mind) from me when I saw it the first time. Dan (UK) NP: Fargo
posted 01-25-2002 12:51 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Here: "Normal" DVD in August, extended version (only 30 minutes of additional stuff) in November. 3 months. Aaaaargh! I'll probably have to get both. NP: Call of the Champions
posted 01-25-2002 07:43 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	Oh yes, and I can confirm that Gollum is certainly not on the statue.
posted 01-25-2002 08:08 PM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	Marian, I intend to get both (DVDs) without question. I applaud them for doing two seperate releases actually. I'm moving house in the spring, to a bigger place where I am going to build a dedicated home theatre room with 7ft diagonal (minimum) screen fed by an HTPC and a CRT projector... August is my consturction deadline, Fellowship my premiere! quote: Oh yes, and I can confirm that Gollum is certainly not on the statue Indeed....bunch of twigs. BAH! Dan (UK) NP: Fellowship of the Ring [Message edited by Dan Brecher on 01-26-2002] [Message edited by Dan Brecher on 01-26-2002]
posted 01-26-2002 03:57 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	One thing they could do on the DVD is to push Enya's song to the second half of the end credits and end the movie with the wonderful IN DREAMS - which would be the perfect way to end the glorious movie...
posted 01-26-2002 06:21 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	Andre, as you probably know, PJ is putting all the names in of the fans (with far too much money to spend) who paid for their name in the DVD credits, I'm guessing these will go into the expanded cut DVD release. If so, it'd indeed be great if 'Breaking of the Fellowship' continued on into the full rendition of 'In Dreams' and then 'May it Be' and the small score suite that follows. It'd be wise to do this given the fans names will make the credits longer, alonng with the films credits being possibly longer due to the likely added credit of those involved in the added footage. I hope they do it, I miss that glorious bit right after Edward Ross finishes. Cut completely in the theatrical edit of the cue. Dan (UK) [Message edited by Dan Brecher on 01-26-2002]
posted 01-26-2002 06:36 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Dan Brecher: I'm moving house in the spring, to a bigger place where I am going to build a dedicated home theatre room with 7ft diagonal (minimum) screen fed by an HTPC and a CRT projector... August is my consturction deadline, Fellowship my premiere! That's it - I'm moving to England! Full In Dreams at the beginning of the credits? I don't know. I might have to leave the room to be not ashamed of crying when I watch the DVD with friends. NP: Call of the Champions
posted 01-26-2002 08:34 AM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	Hm. The end titles of this film are a complete mishmash of stuff. Because of how well the album is edited, it's hard to tell how much of what appears there is what he meant and how much was done after the fact. Why "Many Meetings" should show up in the middle of the thing to lengthen the track but not the finale of "In Dreams" is something I'm still trying to figure out. Incidentally, while I am not averse to Enya being on the album (I thought "Aniron" was fine) I thought "May It Be" was pretty weak. Maybe it's just because it comes after "The Breaking of the Fellowship" and "In Dreams." Almost anything would sound weak after those cues.
posted 01-27-2002 09:51 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Fans' names in the credits??? How stoopid...
posted 01-27-2002 11:54 AM PT (US)

Dan Brecher Oscar® Winner	Jeron, Indeed. New Line offered in autumn last year that fans could pay a rather silly fee to have their name on the DVD credits for one, two or all three of the movies of the trilogy. There were a few bonuses thrown in for how ever much you paid (lithgographs and a collectors magazine every other month as I recall) and I think they got a good response out of it. Crazy... Dan (UK) NP: Vanilla Sky soundtrack
posted 01-27-2002 12:34 PM PT (US)

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