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    Topic:   A.I. Expanded

     Laurence Page
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    I've seen that this Academy Promo 2 CD set was going on Ebay the other week - has anybody got a copy or know where to get one? I'm surprised not to hear more about this - I thought it was a great score, apparently the extra disc is even better..

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    posted 01-16-2002 01:30 AM PT (US)     

     John Zimmer
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    I'll be recieving the promo very shortly and would be willing to share. I'll let you guys know when I have it.

    Although there should be other people here who already have it.

    Jz

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    posted 01-16-2002 07:07 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    Oh please please please please please
    cut me in on this action JZ!!!!

    I'm open to trades!!! Want this one bad!

    Best,
    Sean

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:00 AM PT (US)     

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    I found that this 2-CD set mirrored the film: the first disc is very solid, and quite enjoyable to listen to. The 2nd disc isn't as tight, and I felt it was harder to pay attention to it.

    Dan

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:30 AM PT (US)     

     Widescreen
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    It would be great if someone could post a review of this promo- and an even better plus if a bootleg could be mastered in DVD-Audio! (I can dream, right?)

    A.I.'s score was subject to a great amount of debate, but it ranks in my list of top five to look for in the annals of 2001 Film History, to say nothing for an Oscar nomination.

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:31 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    Maybe, but the magic word is there.....

    Complete!

    Huzzah!
    Sean

    PS..there was a long analysis over at RMM on this promo, and it made a good case for this one over the commercial release. It does away with any repeated tracks and 'Wannberg edits'....anyway, I know I was sold

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:32 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    And here's the link at RMM, just in case..
    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=3121a96356d83349

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:34 AM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    re New York Times top ten 2001--

    For the #1 flick, Elvis Mitchell chose In The Mood For Love, Stephen Holden In The Bedroom and A.O. Scott A.I. Here is the text of Mr. Scott's opinion:

    "Steve Spielberg's science fiction fairy tale is not only the best movie of the year but also the most misunderstood. Critics who scoffed at its supposed sentimentality ignored its dark pathos and unsettling ambiguities. No film in recent memory has put the technological resources of the medium to such ravishing and humane use. 'A.I.' peers 2,000 years into the future; it should not have to wait nearly so long to be recognized as the masterpiece it is."

    I am quite pleased with his concise assessment as I remain profoundly baffled by the film's ambivalent reception, a chagrin magnified with each soundtrack listening session.

    *********************************************************************

    [Message edited by Howard L on 01-16-2002]

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:39 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    Very well said Howard....

    I didn't want to see this picture at all when the trailer came out, and still hold that it was one of the worst trailers(well, the TV spot at least)ever done...after seeing the film, I know why. It's a hard movie to sell, especially to those expecting something typical from Spielberg.

    After seeing it, I was convinced it is a modern masterpiece, will be regarded as such in the future, and would tank at the box office, since contemporary crowds rarely have a brain in their head to understand a film this deep.....

    Best,
    Sean

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    posted 01-16-2002 08:44 AM PT (US)     

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    I agree, Sean, well put! The film has been misunderstood and ignored for no good reason. Such has been the fate of many excellent films of the past.
    I also hope to hear the 2-CD one day as well.

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    posted 01-16-2002 10:03 AM PT (US)     

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    Frankly, A.I. is one of the worst movies I've ever seem in my life. And the score is obviously a utterly mess and only helps the movie to sink even more.

    I understand Spielberg's cult must go on and his brain washed die hard fans will like anything with his tag on it (even THE LOST WORLD!), but honestly, I can't understand how someone with a working brain can dig such a stupid, pathetic and cheesy movie as this A.I. travesty.

    Even the soporific BICENTENIAL MAN was better...

    Maybe if one day I can erase from my minde that such awful movie was ever made I would dare to buy Williams' album, to listen it as pure music and not movie score.

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    posted 01-16-2002 03:10 PM PT (US)     

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    Well I have a question for you then. How can you listen to any of Jerry Goldsmith's scores when you've seen the film it's attached to?

    Jz

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    posted 01-16-2002 03:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Great question, John!
    The main difference is that Jerry, even when doing scores for lame movies, still brings something good and new to it. Besides, Jerry's score HELP the movie to be better - even when they have nothing of good on it!

    Now, Williams is just repeating himself as if he was composing while sleeping... Just listen to HARRY POTTER. Pathetic, really! His "copy and paste" score detract the movie.

    But I can say to you that I find most dificult to hear Jerry's glorious FIRST KNIGHT since it makes me remember all those ridiculous lame scenes from the grotesque movie...

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    posted 01-16-2002 03:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean, you'll have to fight me for that AI promo! I want it just as badly..though I don't really have CDs I'd be willing to part with

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    posted 01-17-2002 08:17 AM PT (US)     

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    Hey Jeffy!

    Email me at ohmss79@hotmail.com

    Got a nice surprise for ya

    hehehe

    Best,
    Sean(determined to have this damned promo!)

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    posted 01-17-2002 08:29 AM PT (US)     

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    I must agree with Andre on this one. A. I. was simply long, tedious, and mind-numbingly boring. And, just when I thought it was finally over and I was getting up to leave the theater, the narrator says "Two thousand years passed . . . " and the movie kept on going!! The other people in the theater with me groaned audibly.

    So I say to anyone who liked this movie, please enlighted me - what was so great about it?

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    posted 01-17-2002 08:30 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm glad you asked that question, your majesty...

    A.I. is an examination of how precious it is to be human through all of life's possible emotions: Joy, Fear, Love, Sadness, Abandonment, Loss. It comes down to taste: those who love the film respect it's mature treatment of understanding the reversals of it, but that's just a theory. Those who hate it don't see it that way and expected something else from the film, again a theory, but the only one I can come up for the sharp division by which the film is regarded.

    Plus, and if you truly think about this, you may agree: this film is pretty hard-core sci-fi that in the hands of any other director would be just scoffed at entirely. Because it is treated in it's excution as more than just sci-fi attributes and would-be platitudes on humanity, but as a genuine journey, those who watched and liked it got more out of it. That's the difference between Speilberg and, say for instance, the guy who initally directed Supernova.

    However, I am looking forward more toward Minority Report- but I expect to get from it what I got from A.I., exactly what I thought it would be.

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    posted 01-17-2002 08:43 AM PT (US)     

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    Sorry Widescreen, but you are wrong on this one. A.I. could have been everything you said, if other than Spielberg directed it.

    The plot was somehow interesting in the begining, but as soon as we see the "future world" Spielberg created we knew something was wrong. Then enter the family and... well, the rest is history.

    This A.I. as presented by S. Spielberg is nothing more than a tedious and cheesy revision of the tale of Pinochio (something the imature and non-resolved Spielberg still identify himself with).

    As a critic said here in Brasil, a quite schizophrenic movie, some kind of BLADE RUNNER directed by Edward D. Wood Junior...

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    posted 01-17-2002 10:35 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, each to his own opinion, Andre- I see you disagreeing with me, but I don't think I'm wrong. Just as your are confident in your opinions to which I take no offense, I'm equally confident in my opinion of A.I.

    And how am I wrong? I'm unconvinced of your opinion and therefore cannot see how you are anymore right than I am about whether A.I. was better with or without Spielberg.

    Have you heard the theory that ten different directors will make a move ten different ways? You put another director on A.I. and it won't be A.I. At least not in the way that it means to me. And I'm not the only one, several people here I would like to say would agree.


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    posted 01-17-2002 03:21 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Didn't you know widescreen, Andre's opinion is the end all of opinions.

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    posted 01-17-2002 03:40 PM PT (US)     

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    You'll find more details on the AI promo at JWFan.net and its message boards. More specifically on this thread:
    http://www.jwfan.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c47412f3fbdffff;act=ST;f=1;t=299

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    posted 01-17-2002 03:48 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Widescreen:
    Well, each to his own opinion, Andre- I see you disagreeing with me, but I don't think I'm wrong. Just as your are confident in your opinions to which I take no offense, I'm equally confident in my opinion of A.I.

    And how am I wrong? I'm unconvinced of your opinion and therefore cannot see how you are anymore right than I am about whether A.I. was better with or without Spielberg.

    Have you heard the theory that ten different directors will make a move ten different ways? You put another director on A.I. and it won't be A.I. At least not in the way that it means to me. And I'm not the only one, several people here I would like to say would agree.


    Fair enough, Wide. I wasn't offended by your comments by any means. So I hope you were not offended by mine.

    I tought we were just debating. In my opinion, you are wrong. Sorry, but that's how I see things. I went to see A.I. with an open mind, but the movie failed to me on every level.

    As for the theory of the "ten different directors" I think it's quite logic. I know too that all those ten would be able to produce a better movie than mr. Spielberg did.

    My God, even Chris Columbus did!!!


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    posted 01-17-2002 04:23 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Hasta:
    Didn't you know widescreen, Andre's opinion is the end all of opinions.

    Nah! you are the one with thin arguments, just that...


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    posted 01-17-2002 04:25 PM PT (US)     

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    The core of the story was strong...credit that much to Stanley Kubrick. But with uneven pacing, a world that seemed built from set-pieces, a Spielberg gloss in the wrong places, I found too much about this film distracting and ultimately a failure for me personally.

    The claim that a movie fails simply because the average moviegoer doesn't understand it is a frustrating, highbrow sentiment. I fully understood the deeper undercurrents that Kubrick was leading us to...unfortunately it Spielberg's failure to bring those undercurrents to fruition is the key reason I give the film a thumbs down.

    But here's to keeping an open mind and looking forward to Minority Report.

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    posted 01-17-2002 04:36 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Quill:
    The claim that a movie fails simply because the average moviegoer doesn't understand it is a frustrating, highbrow sentiment.

    Exactly. Besides, there was nothing there so dificult to understand. I've read and seem PINOCHIO when I was a kid and found it much more rich and profound than mr. Spielberg last fiasco...

    BTW, don't you just love when people say you didn't like a movie because you wasn't able to understand it?? Ok, if they are talking about 2001 or RAN it's passable. But A.I., from mr. Steven "Peter Pan" Spielberg?? What a joke...


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    posted 01-17-2002 04:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, A.I. isn't just a movie from Steven "Peter Pan" Spielberg--the story and much of its design elements and other factors (much more than most people realize) are taken directly from Stanley Kubrick's long development of the idea. And isn't it more obviously a sound rejection of the Pinnochio mythos than an embrace of it? The robot child doesn't become a real boy; his entire pursuit of this dream is just a trick pulled on him by his flesh-and-blood "brother." He's not reconciled with his "mother" at the end but with some cloned, half-dead replica of her. He doesn't die at the end because he was never alive. But humanity is dead, and this last relic is even more irrelevant because of that. That's the "sentimental" ending everyone hated. I can quibble with many of Spielberg's choices (particularly in the casting and writing of the parents in the film) but I think the ideas are sound, not just because of Kubrick's instincts, but because of the way Kubrick's themes overwhelm Spielberg's inherent sentimentality. That makes the bleakness of the ending that much more powerful to me. But hey, that's just me...

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    posted 01-21-2002 01:20 PM PT (US)     

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    It's about time Dr. Bond showed up!



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    posted 01-21-2002 02:45 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by JeffBond:
    That makes the bleakness of the ending that much more powerful to me. But hey, that's just me...

    I still think the sappy and "endless" end of A.I. (Artificial Imbecility) could be even more powerful if Steven Pan used robots based on those bugs from STARSHIPTROOPERS, instead of the martians of MISSION TO MARS...

    But, hey, it's just me!


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    posted 01-21-2002 06:22 PM PT (US)     

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    You guys can bash A.I. ... The movie is pure magic, thanks to Spielberg. And I thank him for another movie.The end is just one of the most sentimental and powerful that I ever seen.And the score tell us exactly this.Note by note...
    Hum...maybe I´m wrong... Ahahah, yes, I´m wrong for like it, ahaha, pitfull...

    The Catman

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    posted 01-21-2002 06:36 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Peter Criss:
    You guys can bash A.I. ...

    Ok then, thanks. We will.

    quote:
    Hum...Ahahah

    Faz mais força que sai!

    [Message edited by André Lux on 01-22-2002]

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    posted 01-22-2002 06:38 AM PT (US)     

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    "I still think the sappy and "endless" end of A.I. (Artificial Imbecility) could be even more powerful if Steven Pan used robots based on those bugs from STARSHIPTROOPERS, instead of the martians of MISSION TO MARS..."

    Yup, neater-looking robots would have saved the movie...

    The robots looked the way they did for a specific reason (unfortunately this was still not enough to alert many audience members to the fact that they were robots and not extraterrestrials). While the "you didn't understand it" accusation may be elitist, it can be leveled at a great many people who dismissed the ending because they thought it was about visiting aliens (in which case it truly would have sucked). If you don't divine the relationship between David and the beings at the end of the film the ending truly makes no sense. I'm not leveling that accusation at Andre, but putting robots that resemble aliens at the end of the movie would have made even less sense to audiences. Mission to Mars was just a regurgitation of ideas from both Spielberg's and Kubrick's earlier movies--A.I. tried to address some serious issues. Worked for me, didn't work for Andre.

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    posted 01-22-2002 12:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by JeffBond:
    "...putting robots that resemble aliens at the end of the movie would have made even less sense to audiences.

    But they did. That's the problem.

    They could have chosen 100 different types of design for the futuristic droids, but no, they have to come with transparent and lame cousins of the ETs from CLOSE ENCOUNTERS...

    A.I. is a Spielberg movie, so there's no such thing as "serious discussion" of anything in the movie. Only, as Rogério Ferrare (aka Peter Cris) well pointed, cheap sentimentalism and cheesy "magical" moments.

    Even BICENTENIAL MAN was able to bring some depth to the tale of a robot who wants to become a man.

    I mean... a Kubrick movie where the main solution to the plot comes from a ridiculous and hysterical character named "Dr. Know", voiced by Robin Williams?? Oh, please...


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    posted 01-22-2002 02:34 PM PT (US)     

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    I was almost on the verge of bein able to understand your argument (though not saying I'm agreeing with it ) until you uttered both Chris Columbus and Bicentenial Man. That Robin William tripe was just overdone and forced emotion and overbudgeted pile(...) that Columbus tried to ram down our throat as a quality film. I thought you were better than that. You disappoint me. I thought you wouldn't stand to get humped by such idiocy but alas I WAS WRONG

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    posted 01-22-2002 03:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Don't take me wrong, Adrian.
    BICENTENIAL MAN is a quite weak and sappy movie too, but in the end is much better than A.I.

    I never used this phrase as a compliment to BICENTENIAL MAN, you know... Is like saying some movie was better than PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE!

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    posted 01-22-2002 03:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh Kay then.

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    posted 01-22-2002 03:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok...
    I can´t define emotions as cheap.Even in a movie. But maybe I´m still wrong.
    The Catman (Peter Criss, or Rogério Ferrari, the former Dr. Evil)

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    posted 01-22-2002 03:28 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HadrianD:
    Oh Kay then.


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    posted 01-22-2002 03:31 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree with anyone who disliked BOTH the film and the score. The film was an utter mess of ideas which never quite gelled together and the score, well, let's just say Williams did what he could with what he had to work with (not much). As for Oscar, let's hope they go with "Harry Potter" instead of jumping on the Spielberg bandwagon as they did in 1997 when they opted for "Amistad" over the much more deserved "Seven Years in Tibet".

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