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Topic: Black Hawk Down: Impressions

sean

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I saw this film last night and was not impressed.Reportedly, Ridely Scott used about 4 to 6 cameras to shoot every scene and had completed filming earlier than expected. It's easy to tell, too, that these multiple angles were spliced together in the editing room with no coherence; like Hannibal, the ends never meet and numerous beautiful shots are thrown in with a handful misplaced shots.
If you're interested, which I was not, in watching an American only perspective on their crushing defeat in Somolia than this is the film for you. Only briefly are we subjected to the suffereing of the Somolian people before being thrust back into GI-JOE meets Ridely Scott. Personally, I think he should have been banned from making films after making GI-phucking JANE. Black Hawk Down tries to be a "be in the moment" war film, but ends up coming out as propaganda with a silly epilogue and super-titles with a feeling like: "19 Americans were killed....and ummmm oh yeah, 1000 Somolians were also killed." Bad cinema, folks!
posted 01-23-2002 08:16 AM PT (US) 
sean

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I saw this film last night and was not impressed.Reportedly, Ridely Scott used about 4 to 6 cameras to shoot every scene and had completed filming earlier than expected. It's easy to tell, too, that these multiple angles were spliced together in the editing room with no coherence; like Hannibal, the ends never meet and numerous beautiful shots are thrown in with a handful misplaced shots.
If you're interested, which I was not, in watching an American only perspective on their crushing defeat in Somolia than this is the film for you. Only briefly are we subjected to the suffereing of the Somolian people before being thrust back into GI-JOE meets Ridely Scott. Personally, I think he should have been banned from making films after making GI-phucking JANE. Black Hawk Down tries to be a "be in the moment" war film, but ends up coming out as propaganda with a silly epilogue and super-titles with a feeling like: "19 Americans were killed....and ummmm oh yeah, 1000 Somolians were also killed." Bad cinema, folks!
posted 01-23-2002 08:21 AM PT (US) 
sean

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I saw this film last night and was not impressed.Reportedly, Ridely Scott used about 4 to 6 cameras to shoot every scene and had completed filming earlier than expected. It's easy to tell, too, that these multiple angles were spliced together in the editing room with no coherence; like Hannibal, the ends never meet and numerous beautiful shots are thrown in with a handful misplaced shots.
If you're interested, which I was not, in watching an American only perspective on their crushing defeat in Somolia than this is the film for you. Only briefly are we subjected to the suffereing of the Somolian people before being thrust back into GI-JOE meets Ridely Scott. Personally, I think he should have been banned from making films after making GI-Jane. Black Hawk Down tries to be a "be in the moment" war film, but ends up coming out as propaganda with a silly epilogue and super-titles with a feeling like: "19 Americans were killed....and ummmm oh yeah, 1000 Somolians were also killed." Bad cinema, folks!
posted 01-23-2002 08:22 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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yeah sean, we get the point. no need to repeat yourself that many times!
Dan
posted 01-23-2002 09:08 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Please note that over the course of 5 minutes, Sean's views on the film stood firm. I felt like I was reading the same review.
posted 01-23-2002 09:49 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Yeah - the only difference was that GI Jane lost lost the "phucking".
Dan
posted 01-23-2002 10:05 AM PT (US) 
Richard Street

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quote:
Originally posted by skiletic:
Richard, I'm just curious if, amidst your philanthropical call for a movie about the Somalis, that movie would interest you.Well, quite possibly. I've no particular interest in war, but I do have a huge interest in movies of almost all genres (except romantic comedies). But this was my point, really. That movie probably isn't going to be made, almost certainly not be Americans and absolutely not by Jerry Bruckheimer. If a Somali point of view does get put on film, it'll probably be in documentary form, for television.
NP: RONIN (Elia Cmiral)
posted 01-23-2002 10:38 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Just wanted to add that I haven't seen the film yet, but I got the score a few days ago.I actually quite like it. Some tracks are a bit hard to get into (especially track 2) but some others have instant appeal. "leave no man behind" is great.
Now I'll wait till around March to see how it works with the film.......
posted 01-26-2002 02:29 PM PT (US) 
Dave

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If every movie that was ever made had to have every point of view shown wouldnt that be fun. So now lets have a 2.5 hour movie on the Somalies, and another one on the wives of the american soliders, and one of all the cousins of the americans soliders, then one of all the people that work at the factories that build the BlackHawks. Wow isn't being PC swell.When people start to figure out that most movies are made to entertain first, and possibly give moral messages or information second the internet will cease to be a huge spawning ground for complainers.

This was a movie about a incident that spirals out of control, into a hellish nightmare....kinda like most posts here
dave
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PS - I saw the movie and loved it.
posted 01-27-2002 02:37 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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I thought the film was a good movie. You saw the hell tht the Americans went through. I also thought Zimmer's score worked very well.--Brian
posted 01-27-2002 03:05 AM PT (US) 
Norman McCay

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The History Channel actually produced a documentary featuring several of the actual Rangers, Nightstalker pilots, and even one of the Delta Force "operators" who were involved in the incident, including the POW Michael Durant who was the pilot for the second Black Hawk that was shot down.It runs two hours and it's really a well-produced documentary that recounts what took place and the historical context that the whole BHD occurrence was placed in. Most of the politics remained glossed over, as there was no visible sanction from the military or the U.S. government for the production of this documentary aside from appearances of retired military and U.N. personnel and old CNN footage of the incident. I assumed politics was probably avoided to make it understandable (or justifiable from a propagandistic POV) and this documentary actually packed an subjectively emotional punch, at least from the eyes of this reviewer--not that it was a bad thing.
Composer Jimmy Rip's music incidentally mirrored that of the movie, particularly the indigenious instruments that provided an authentic atmosphere of Somalia. Oddly enough, the documentary makes no mention of the movie whatsoever. But enough credible witnesses and participants of the operation showed up during the interviews including BHD author Mark Bowden, who was featured prominently.
I recommend those who have either read the book, saw the movie, or even anyone who has an interest in what went down in Mogadishu in fall of 1993 to check it out. I believe you should be able to see on the History Channel's website the time listings.
posted 01-27-2002 12:21 PM PT (US) 
Bladeisback
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Richardeuh, you'd have prefered the Somalis to win and kill 700 US troops? sorry for the 300K somalis dead, not our fault. they kill themselves pretty easily. civilisation has NOT entered that country.
eom
I'm starting to like BHD "special" score.
posted 01-28-2002 06:45 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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I've yet to see the film, will freely admit I've never taken to Ridley Scott much as a director (of actors at least), but I will get round to seeing BHD.I did get the score the other day and like it a lot, which is something I've not been able to say about a Zimmer score in a fair while, even if I did fime some cues a little 3 Kings-esque. Pretty solid in all.
Dan (UK)
posted 01-29-2002 06:04 AM PT (US) 
Richard Street

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quote:
Originally posted by Bladeisback:
Richardeuh, you'd have prefered the Somalis to win and kill 700 US troops? sorry for the 300K somalis dead, not our fault.
I'm not sure where you inferred that from. I was talking about the film, not the event. The film is fundamentally about nineteen Americans, but there isn't a film about the hundreds, thousands of Somalis who are just as dead. And, at least from Jerry Bruckheimer, there probably won't be.
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posted 01-29-2002 06:50 AM PT (US) 
Al

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And I wouldn't blame Bruckheimer for that either. I can't see a film told from that point of view bringing in much money.
posted 01-29-2002 07:55 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Agreed. I mean, while a documentary on the famine, the warlord clashes, and the ultimate UN involvement is certainly interesting stuff (as indicated by the wonderful 2-hour long documentary on the History Channel over the weekend), I can't see any "feature film" value in a story about thousands of armed militia ambushing the US Rangers / Delta Force teams.I mean, would you want to focus on how, prior to the BLACK HAWK DOWN incident, they slaughtered and mutilated the bodies of Pakistani UN peacekeepers? How fun!

Dan
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