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Topic: Need CD-R Burning Help (almost off-topic)

TimT

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I'm trying to make a copy of Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire. My original CD has a couple tracks that are skipping, and I was able to extracts these tracks using the error correction in the Exact Audio Copy program.My plan is to just reburn the CD to a CDR so it can be a skip free score. However Shadow of the Empire is an Enhanced CD, and I want to burn the CDR just like the original CD. The original CD seems to have only one session that contains both audio tracks and data, resulting in only having the 10 audio tracks show up in a CD player and only the data track showing up in a computer CD drive.
But I can't figure out how it was burned like that. The closet I can get is to have two sessions one with the audio and the other with data, resulting in having an extra track show up in the CD player that contains the data.Can someone explain how to burn the CDR exactly like the original CD? I already know the easiest way is to make and image of the original CD, and burn it. But in this case I can't because I had to extract the audio in to wave files first so the errors in them could be corrected.
[Message edited by TimT on 01-13-2002]
posted 01-13-2002 12:48 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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I forgot to mention that I'm using Nero to write the CDs.[Message edited by TimT on 01-13-2002]
posted 01-13-2002 12:51 PM PT (US) 
Soundtracker

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Marian??posted 01-13-2002 03:09 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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No I'm Tim.
posted 01-13-2002 03:25 PM PT (US) 
Soundtracker

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Nice to meet you, I'm the Soundtracker.
Sorry, I'm just calling Marian! He will be able to help you, he knows all about CDRs, DVDs, computers...
Marian? Marian?? MARIAN??? MARIAN???????
posted 01-13-2002 03:39 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Sorry, can't really help in this case. I never burned "Enhanced CDs" myself, only copied existing ones (and that usually with Feurio, which I prefer for audio CDs).
posted 01-13-2002 04:15 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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This is a relatively painless process.First, you will have to move all of the files from the enhanced section of the CD to a folder on the hard drive.
Start a new CD project choosing CD Extra as the choice. This will open two windows on the left hand side of the screen.
The top window is where the data files are placed. Be sure to set the label name to match the original label of the Shadow of the Empire CD. (You can find this name by opening up My Computer and checking out the drive that has your original. That name is the correct one to use for your new label as well. (Don’t worry about the two red folders that automatically appear, you can’t delete them and they won’t cause you any trouble.
The bottom window should contain your extracted .wav files.
Place them in the window and select all tracks but the first one. Right click on the selected tracks and choose properties. One of the things you can change here is the number of seconds between tracks. Set “pause” to 0 seconds and press “OK”. This will remove any annoying pauses between tracks that should not have a pause. (Don’t worry about loosing any gaps that should be there. Intentional gaps are already part of the wav.)
You should now be ready to burn.
Once you’ve burned the CD, place it in your regular CD-Rom drive and let the autoplay start. Make sure that everything works. Also, make sure that the audio is fine. It doesn’t happen often, but even the best burners and software can create coasters.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list and I will help if I can.
posted 01-13-2002 07:00 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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That method creates a data track at track 1 which makes a screaching noise. And the CD player will read it as 11-66:18. the original Shadow of the Empire doesn't have a data track as track one and comes up as 10-51:28 in a CDplayer, and if its there you can't see it in a CDplayer and it doesn't add an extra 15 min to the run time.
NP- Saviorposted 01-13-2002 07:43 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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While we're on the subject - does anyone have any idea why when using Adaptec Easy CD 4 to make audio compilations, there are a few tracks which cause an error:"Can't open audio source"
It's always the first track on the particular CD and the whole process stops. It's always the same 2 or 3 mp3s. I've tried re-ripping them from the CD in case they were faulty, but to no avail.
Help.

posted 01-14-2002 04:04 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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TimT:I just burned a Thomas Crown CD enhanced that used the above method.
Taken from the Nero Help files:
A CD EXTRA contains two sessions: the first session contains audio information. Existing normal CD audio players will playback this first session as a CD audio disc. The second session contains data files with content related to the audio track in the first session. The data files in general will contain items like disc and track titles, lyrics and background information on the music. This information is stored in special files. The second session will only be used by computer systems equipped with a CD-ROM drive.
You are talking about a Mixed Mode CD.
posted 01-14-2002 05:01 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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Nero has no "CD Extra" method.From what you've discribed, will put an extra track at the end of disc that makes a loud noise in a CD player. With SOTE the CD player does not see that track to play. It stops on the last audio track. And it only lists 10 tracks instead of 11.
posted 01-14-2002 07:30 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Well, my version of Nero, 5.5.5.1 does have this option. If created sucessfully, it plays just like the original. My above post was taken directly from the Help files of the program. It works as described.It does not play the last track. As I said I just created an enhanced Thomas Crown Affair(1968) CD.
I popped it into my CD player and played the CD. It stopped after the last music track. I put it in my CD-ROM Drive and accessed the data files on the CD.
This does work.
Here is a download page for Nero that includes a PDF file that goes into further detail about this format and the Nero burning program.
http://www.nero.com/en/download.htmposted 01-14-2002 08:01 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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Ok, I have Nero 5.0, I'll try upgrading to 5.5, but there is not CD Extra in the list on this one.Thanks for all your help everyone.
posted 01-14-2002 06:29 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Camillu;I am not sure exactly what the problem is, but my guess is you are trying to copy CD on the fly. Sometimes regular CD-Rom’s don’t extract audio correctly. Sometimes they aren’t able to clearly read the tracks. In addition, on-the-fly can be tricky. Unless your burner and software support Burnproof, On-the Fly can really make some coasters.
Try this:
Put the offending CD into your burner and extract all the tracks as .wav files and then burn the CD Disc at Once. CD burners are much more discerning than regular CD-Roms and can often read damaged CD’s.
If that doesn’t work, try reading the CD in other drives, perhaps at a Local store to determine if that is the problem. Does it play in a regular CD Player?
As for MP3’s I always convert back to wav first. It is an extra step. But it is also one less thing to go wrong.
posted 01-14-2002 08:54 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
