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      Trailers need some NEW themes.

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    Topic:   Trailers need some NEW themes.

     joan hue
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    I'd like to see new trailers employ different music. Too many of them now use techno rock or the "usual" few themes.

    A while back I rented the video NIGHT CROSSING just to hear Goldsmith’s
    music. I wasn’t in love with the main title or the “Swiss Alps accordion” songs
    and almost quit the movie. And then the First Flight theme played. Oh my, what a
    magnificent melody, and its variations are gorgeous. To be quite honest, I’m
    surprised we don’t hear more of this theme in trailers. It reminds me a little
    of Newman’s Trucker’s Salute theme from HOFFA. It’s the kind of uplifting theme
    that could be utilized in many trailers when trying to reflect such concepts as triumph,
    achievement, or victory.

    Also found Carlo Siliotto’s FLUKE absolutely gorgeous, and I wonder why after this
    rich score, Siliotto hasn’t been offered more American films. (Maybe that
    wasn’t a good experience for him and he’s avoiding us.) His main theme would also
    grace trailers with a strong underscore.


    Thoughts on those scores? Other themes from movies scores that “should” be used
    in trailers but haven’t been?

    NP Night Crossing

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    posted 01-10-2002 10:00 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    I just posted this in the Debney DRAGONFLY thread, but I was VERY happy to hear Anvil Of Crom from CONAN the other day in the SCORPION KING trailer myself, before it lead into incoherent, tribal drumming....yawn!

    Of all the great instrumental works, both film,electronic,classical and beyond out there, and music editors keep using the same boring techno percussion swishes to punctuate flash cut, seizure inducing trailers...I tell ya, no one knows how to cut a decent trailer to save their life anymore!

    Bring back Joe Dante and Allan Arkush to the trailer world! Those guys knew how to pack 90 seconds of action into a trailer, AND they got to use the original scores!

    Bored to tears,
    Sean

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    posted 01-10-2002 10:12 AM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    OHM, yes, I saw that trailer and was thrilled to hear Anvil of Crom. When Scott's Gladiator trailers were first shown, they used that theme, and the fit was perfect. (I was sorta of hoping the score would mimic Conan.) Also the love theme from Conan would fit some trailers....or even Riders of Doom for action scenes in trailers for historic movies.

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    posted 01-10-2002 10:25 AM PT (US)     

     Kimiakane
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    Let's face it...the Conan score is great for everything always! I wonder how many times "O Fortuna" has been used in a trailer...and it's STILL very exciting! That's Wagner, isn't it?

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    posted 01-10-2002 10:45 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    Nope, it's Carl Orff!

    THE performance to get is by the SF Symphony/Bloomstedt(I believe is the conductor).

    I need to trash my poor budget recording of Carmina Burana one of these days

    Sean

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    posted 01-10-2002 10:50 AM PT (US)     

     HadrianD
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    I like what the marketing people is doing with the E.S Posthumus album. Using outside source of contemporary orchestral music to emphasize the nature of the movie rather than using music previously recorded for other movies. The new trailer for Unfaithful is a perfect example of this.

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    posted 01-10-2002 10:52 AM PT (US)     

     John Zimmer
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    The Chicken Run cue used in the trailers to Jimmy Neutron was a nice change.

    NP: Superman

    Jz

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    posted 01-10-2002 12:02 PM PT (US)     

     Lightborne
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    The dynamic duo over at Immediate Music seems to have the monopoly these days on trailer music. I hear their stuff in everything, even on b-movie trailers. I suppose purchasing the rights to use a track off of their library is cheaper than purchasing the rights for someone else's film score. I like Immediate Music's stuff for the most part. Is it getting to be overkill now, though? I think it is. You even hear their same stuff on promos for television.

    One side of me thinks that a film should be able to utilize it's own score for its trailer. This is a testment to the score itself, that it is indeed strong enough to promote the film. Plus, there is some consistency between the trailer and the film. It's prudent marketing: Audible Familiarity. Unfortunately, many scores aren't completed by the time of the release of their trailer or teaser. Other times, the score is just not strong enough or at least stong enough to carry a trailer like another choice of music might.

    As Joan pointed out though, Hoffa is one of the best scores ever used for a trailer. It's brilliant. Which leads me to my first question. On the HOFFA score, track number 7 is actually titled "Hoffa Trailer". Has any other film score, to anyone's knowledge, ever put their trailer music on the actual score album? This is the only one I have ever seen. It would've been nice for certain albums (like JUDGE DREDD) to utililize this. It would also be nice if someone made an album that had trailer themes on it - the actual ones...not the John Beal "sort of like it" versions which inhabit THE JOHN BEAL PROJECT. There are other score compliations out there with the actual original score tracks on them. Why not one for trailers?

    A recent trailer campaign I thought utilized music very well along with its images were the trailers for LORD OF THE RINGS:FOTR. Christopher Field's "Gothic Power" worked very nicely here, I thought.

    By the way, Sean, what are the trailerographies of Joe Dante and Allan Arkush? I didn't know Joe Dante used to be a trailer editor. So which are your favorites that they have done? I absolutely love trailers and looking at the editing style of them, both musically and visually.

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    posted 01-10-2002 02:51 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Joan, I'd have to disagree with ya on Carlo Siliotto’s FLUKE. While it certainly his its share of beautiful moments, MUCH of it sounds incredibly amateur to these ears (and this is somebody who's heard most MV scores).
    Furthermore, while I liked the album, I thought the score was pretty darn poor in the film (which wasn't too hot itself), so I don't find it a big curiosity as to why Siliotto hasn't gotten more work.

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    posted 01-10-2002 03:30 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    They should play SPIKE MILLIGAN's Q5 theme for every Bruckshisester movie!

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    posted 01-10-2002 07:01 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    The music in the trailer for What Lies Beneath was used in about 7,000 other trailers, but it was especially appalling in that trailer. Annoying-ass synth sh*t.

    Shaun

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    posted 01-10-2002 07:04 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    I think they should go back to old system of scoring music for the trailer.

    I beleive they did this recently with Harry Potter. John William's used the themes he wrote for the film and scored the trailer.

    Anybody know of any other examples?

    [Message edited by MWRuger on 01-11-2002]

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    posted 01-10-2002 09:17 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    quote:
    Originally posted by MWRuger:
    I think they should go back to old system of scoring music for the trailer.

    I beleive they did this recently with Harry Potter. John William's used the themes wrote the film and scored the trailer.

    Anybod know of any other examples?


    Hook, right?
    But the coolest trailer music is Sleep Now from Dark City. It wasn't in the movie or composed by Jones, but at least it was released on the soundtrack.

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    posted 01-10-2002 09:21 PM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lightborne:
    By the way, Sean, what are the trailerographies of Joe Dante and Allan Arkush? I didn't know Joe Dante used to be a trailer editor. So which are your favorites that they have done? I absolutely love trailers and looking at the editing style of them, both musically and visually.

    I think, although I'm probably wrong, that they cut trailers for their own films like PIRANHA, HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD,etc while working for Roger Corman, and then maybe their films over at Avco Embassy(THE HOWLING,GET CRAZY).
    Piranha sticks out, since it combines newly shot footage, uses the original score, and makes you WANT to see the film!

    I just think that trailers now follow the same boring formula, and I LOVE trailers. I have several tapes with nothing but trailers on them, and I really do miss the great hyberbolic campaigns from the Golden Age, as well as the creative ads from the 60's and 70's.
    A favorite is hard to come by, but these flash cuts, 'record scratching double-takes', and slow motion shots have got to go....and the boring tribal drumming too please
    I guess I'm a bit biased since I love horror films and find they typically have the best trailers, at least for me. The last one I saw that had me interested in seeing the film was JEEPERS CREEPERS, but I loved that movie anyway.

    So there ya go
    Sean



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    posted 01-11-2002 08:47 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Don't know about its potential as trailer music, Joan, but I'm giving the thumbs up sign for Night Crossing anyway! I never really warmed to the accordion waltz either, but that flight theme you mention is glorious indeed.

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    posted 01-11-2002 02:34 PM PT (US)     

     Richard Street
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lightborne:
    On the HOFFA score, track number 7 is actually titled "Hoffa Trailer". Has any other film score, to anyone's knowledge, ever put their trailer music on the actual score album?

    NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER (Paul Gilreath)
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