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Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	Just an interesting observation i've made while listening to "The Land Before Time"by Horner(maybe some of you came up with this before i did but nevertheless,here it goes): If you combine the first three tracks with the last one,the whole piece works very well as a 4-part,40 minute symphony! It doesn't get boring,even though ALL four tracks feature the main themes. K NP:Michael Collins(Elliot Goldenthal)******/****
posted 01-04-2002 08:44 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Of course it works. It is cloned from Prokofiev's PETER AND THE WOLF...
posted 01-04-2002 09:08 AM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	I knew you would answer Andre. I know that Horner has copied a lot from the Classical composers.Still,that doesn't mean that the soundtrack isn't an enjoyable experience. C'mon now...don't tell me that the "supergenious"composer John Williams is TOTALLY original???... K NP:Alien 3(Elliot Goldenthal)****/*** -i'm listening to it as we speak.an excellent score!
posted 01-04-2002 09:35 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	I agree Kyriacos, LBTime is a great score, and is structured symphonically. Just skip that damned song! Another that jumps to mind is The Empire Strikes Back....look at it as a grand symphony! Opening Mvmt., Scherzo, Adagio, Finale Best, Sean
posted 01-04-2002 10:10 AM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	Excellent!The Empire Strikes back is my most favourite of all the Star Wars scores.I think it's the most lyrical one(i especially adore the love theme) Thanks K NP:Alien 3(Elliot Goldenthal)***/***-the ending is sooooooooooooooooooooo awesome! [Message edited by Kyriacos S on 01-04-2002]
posted 01-04-2002 10:16 AM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	Despite Horner having ripped quite a few classical works for this score (the opening is nearly 100 percent idential to the opening of Bartok's ballet "The Wooden Prince") I still enjoy "The Land Before Time" a lot. One of Horner's better efforts, if you ask me. SFT NP: Copycat, Young
posted 01-04-2002 10:23 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	Yeah, Empire and LBT are two scores that I prefer to listen to as symphonic works, as opposed to a succession of cues And that Alien 3 finale is heartbreaking! I can't listen to it that often, it's so devastating! As for the rips in Horner's works...either it drives you nuts, or you don't care...I can listen to Star Trek 3 and Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet equally as happy Best, Sean
posted 01-04-2002 10:38 AM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	[QUOTE]Originally posted by OHMSS76: [B] And that Alien 3 finale is heartbreaking! I can't listen to it that often, it's so devastating! I haven't seen the movie though....they say it was quite a disappointment... K NP:Interview with the Vampire(Elliot Goldenthal)***********/***
posted 01-04-2002 10:47 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	You haven't seen the film!?!? Why are you playing the CD then! lol kidding It is very odd...somedays I like it, others I think it's totally botched....you should watch it, and just take it on it's own terms, not as an 'Alien sequel'. Besides, it's nice to see how the score works with the film, not to mention all the missing music from the cd The ending works well enough IMO....if not the crux of the scene, the 'coda'. What I mean is the very last few shots of the film, ending on that light trumpet and string motif...very cold and sad, but well done. If Fincher had been allowed to make the movie he had conceived, it would have been fine...damned Fox execs Did you know, for those who've seen the film, that the 'Explosion and Aftermath' scene was originally the end of the film!!! Re-edit nightmare, hello!!! Best, Sean
posted 01-04-2002 11:03 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Kyriacos S: I knew you would answer Andre. I know that Horner has copied a lot from the Classical composers.Still,that doesn't mean that the soundtrack isn't an enjoyable experience. I have to admit that I love LAND BEBORE TIME! Hehehehee...
posted 01-04-2002 11:10 AM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by OHMSS76: You haven't seen the film!?!? Why are you playing the CD then! lol kidding It is very odd...somedays I like it, others I think it's totally botched....you should watch it, and just take it on it's own terms, not as an 'Alien sequel'. Besides, it's nice to see how the score works with the film, not to mention all the missing music from the cd The bad news is that i already know the ending....DAMN those reviews... "...and especially the ending,Ripley's death scene,where she sacrifices herself because she eventually discovers that SHE has an Alien inside her..."bla bla bla... It Sucks! Anyway,i still want to watch the movie;at least i'll get to say that i have watched all four Alien films. K NP:Interview with the Vampire(Elliot Goldenthal)************/***
posted 01-04-2002 11:22 AM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Kyriacos S: [b] I have to admit that I love LAND BEBORE TIME! Hehehehee... HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... lame Andre...lame indeed... K NP:Cobb(Elliot Goldenthal)***/*** Reno Ho has sooooo much spirit in it!
posted 01-04-2002 11:25 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Kyriacos S: I haven't seen the movie though....they say it was quite a disappointment... Hey - it's Fincher! #1 and #3 are the best Alien movies. Though I'd still like to see them release Fincher's original cut.
posted 01-04-2002 01:04 PM PT (US)

Richard Oscar® Winner	Speaking of Horner stealing from classical composers, I was watching 2001: a space odyssey yesterday, and about half way through when we reach The Jupiter Mission part of the film, there's a piece in the film (I'm sure it's one of the Ligetti pieces, though I don't know which one exactly) that is really quite beautiful. Unfortunately it sounds as though Horner was listening to this piece when writing the opening titles to Aliens because they are too similar for it to be a mere coincidence. NP: Aliens - James Horner/Gygory Ligetti
posted 01-04-2002 08:06 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I am too tired right now to search my CD collection to correct Richard about the true composer Horner cloned his Main Theme from ALIENS (which was the same he used early on PROJECT X and later on PATRIOT GAMES and so many others I can't remember now)... Someone, help here please.
posted 01-04-2002 09:45 PM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: Someone, help here please. Aram Khachaturian. The Gayane ballet. And I confess a deep love for The Land Before time despite learning of the classical lifts. I used to watch the movie constantly as a child (a rather short time ago, really) and the music is forever etched in my heart. Isn't that nice? Kirk
posted 01-04-2002 10:36 PM PT (US)

Kyriacos S Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Kyriacos S: [b]I haven't seen the movie though....they say it was quite a disappointment...<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey - it's Fincher! #1 and #3 are the best Alien movies. Though I'd still like to see them release Fincher's original cut.[/B] Hmmmmmmmmm....that's strange..(!) I thought #2 was the best one... I watched 1,2 and 4. I liked #2 the most. K NP:Interview with the Vampire(Elliot Goldenthal)*********/***
posted 01-04-2002 11:40 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	#2 is a great action film, but I found that #1 and #3 hold up much better for repeated viewings. Re the Gayaneh piece: A couple of years ago, that theme appeared in my head, and it took me several days to find out where I had heard it: "Aliens" I thought, but then, some time later, I watched 2001 and thought I must have been wrong... Oh well, I'm not that angry about that particular steal now that I've heard the Deluxe Edition of the score. Of course, it still appears there (even more frequently), but Horner also did a lot of variations on the theme. I think in the film it only pops up in the 1:1 "stolen version". The Khan and Star Wars bits trouble me much more, particularly since the rest of the score is really great.
posted 01-05-2002 05:09 AM PT (US)

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