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megs

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I was surprised (disappointed) that Goldsmith wasn't nominated for an Oscar for Disney's Mulan of '99? I thought that all Disney movies were nominated & he was going to bring home another oscar. When was the last time that Goldsmith won an oscar? In '75 for the Omen? I just venting sorry. However I feel that he deserves if not an oscar then a tribute to this man sucessful career & receive a special award. Thank you for reading.
posted 12-18-2001 03:28 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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He was nominated for Mulan.
posted 12-18-2001 04:02 PM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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Goldsmith actually was nominated for MULAN in 1999; it was in the Best Comedy or Musical Score category and not the Best Dramatic Score category. And yes, he should both be nominated more often and win as often as possible. He should have won for more of scores in the 70's, especially PATTON and ST:TMP.
posted 12-18-2001 04:02 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Yes, Goldsmith does deserve another Oscar but let it be for something truly worthwhile and not just a token gesture.
posted 12-18-2001 06:03 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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If Jerry Goldsmith only wins one Oscar, he 'll be in good company. Bernard Herrmann only once and Alex North never won at all.If he does get another Oscar, it may have to be for lifetime achievment, because as much as I admire his work his last three scores have not been his best work.
They weren't bad, but there were better out there.
He really needs a memorable score if he wants another gold statue. Further, it can't be just a great score, it has to be for a film that will draw the attention of the academy. Jerry Goldsmith's track record is not good in this regard.
In the end, it doesn't really matter, Jerry Goldsmith has nothing to prove to anyone and maybe he just doesn't want to bothered with all the political stuff that has to be done to get the nomination and secure a win.
posted 12-18-2001 08:27 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I agree with Timmer. I don't like token gestures. Still he should have won for scores like Star Trek: TMP, Rudy, Mulan, Planet of the Apes and others. Don't forget that Elmer Bernstein only won for Thorougly Modern Millie. Magnificent Seven, To Kill a Mockingbird, and The Ten Commandments (and others) were legitimate contenders.
posted 12-18-2001 08:48 PM PT (US) 
lars b

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What's even worse is that MORRICONE never got an Oscar !!!!!
If he doesn't deserve one....
posted 12-19-2001 02:46 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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It is criminal that I forgot about Ennio Morricone and Elmer Bernstein.I'm afraid that I have to put Elmer Bernstein in the same boat as Jerry Goldsmith. His scores lately have been nothing to get terribly excited about.
Ennio Morricone though has had some excellant scores in the past few years and even got nominated for Malena. As much as I admire Tan Dun's work on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon I thought Malena was better. I really thought he should have won for Legend of 1900 in 98, but he wasn't even nominated!
Are there any other composers of note that has had to settle for one or none?posted 12-19-2001 08:53 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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In all honesty, I don't really care about any of these award things. Jerry is the #1 composer in my book no matter how many awards he or other composers receive.The Oscars® don't have an ear for film music (in my opinion) so I don't follow them. To receive one would be a nice ego booster for the composer, but other than that... *shrug*
Does Jerry deserve another Oscar®? Of course he does. I'll just enjoy the music anyway, even if it isn't "award winning."
posted 12-19-2001 09:08 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Yeah he should win some more....but not this year Williams has got it!!Jz
posted 12-19-2001 09:17 AM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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Quite right, Jonathan! The Oscar committee has no ear for musical complexities, just an 8-bar tune and light orchestration. If Bartok was a film composer today, he would never win an Oscar.
posted 12-19-2001 09:22 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by John Zimmer:
Yeah he should win some more....but not this year Williams has got it!!Jz
I wouldn't count on it. No bad reflection on Williams' work this year. It's just that his scores this year seem like long shots. The Academy might view Potter as yet another handsome but by-the-numbers Williams fantasy score (remember, they completely ignored Phantom Menace) and A. I. may be too esoteric for them to appreciate.
The score Oscar will likely go to some exotic or period score.
More to the topic, though. Goldsmith should have at least 4 or 5 Oscars if the things were based on any genuine measure of excellence.
posted 12-19-2001 12:08 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Everyone says they don’t give a damn about the Academy Awards, heck, I‘ve said the same many times. But I always watch and I always hope that my favorites are going to win. We all come away saying “It’s all political” unless our favorite wins, then we say “Well it looks like the Academy finally got it right”.Are you telling me that if Goldsmith was nominated for Last Castle that you wouldn’t be ecstatic, especially if he won?
Personally, if he got a Lifetime Achievement award, I think that it would be fitting. How many composers deserve it more? Truly, his award would be for a lifetime of accomplishment and innovation. Certainly, he should receive something like this while he is living and can enjoy the appreciation he deserves.
I think you can add Bernstein and Morricone that list as well.
posted 12-19-2001 01:36 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Just reiterating some of the above, I agree that the Oscars mean nothing, at least in the long run (ie more than two nights after the show). Think about any great film, director, score, acting job from the past sixty-odd years of cinema history. Do we remember or care who won and who lost? Thankfully, memories are short for crap like awards, and true genius will last, oblivious to the annual circus.
posted 12-19-2001 01:37 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by Graham Watt:
Thankfully, memories are short for crap like awards, and true genius will last, oblivious to the annual circus.
Sho nuff.posted 12-19-2001 01:42 PM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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The Academy Awards are not the final word on motion picture excellence for sure, and boy do they screw up often when it comes to film scores. But they are a whole lot of fun, and I watch them every year, too. Goldsmith and Morricone can win for anything by now in my book; it would hardly be the first time that a token award would be given. Goldsmith and Morricoen have both written enough Oscar deserving scores that were ignored, so I'd be happy to see them getting a(nother) statue. It doesn't matter for what movie.
posted 12-19-2001 02:04 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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OSCAR = Popularity Contest + Studio's Lobby- Hanzimer won an Oscar for BEST SCORE
- Roberto BenignO won an Oscar for BEST ACTOR
- Gwenieth Platrhow won an Oscar for BEST ACTRESS
- Mel Gigson won an Oscar for BEST DIRECTORGrow up, people...

posted 12-20-2001 09:30 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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'Round Midnight!!
posted 12-20-2001 10:08 PM PT (US) 
Bulldog
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Yeah, 'Round Midnight was nothing short of the most spectacular Oscar embarrassment ever. Hoosiers deserved that God-damn statue.The same goes for The Last Castle. If the Academy nominated him for that effort and he won, I'd be satisfied. It's a score that ranks with his very, very finest.
However, something has me thinking that, someday, the Academy will recognize Goldsmith with a lifetime achievement award, in which case another singular win would hurt his chances. In all honesty, if I had to choose [and I think it's accurate to say that I would have to do so], I'd rather see him get the lifetime achievement award--because that's what he really deserves to win. His career is much more substantial than a handful of should-have-been-Oscar-winning-scores, anyway. [Frankly, I'm not as bothered by the fact that he does not have more wins as I am that he has not received more nominations. There's where he's really under-represented, in my estimation.] Virtually year-in and year-out, the composer has represented excellence and genius at Hollywood's most sophisticated and thoughtful level. In short, he's lived a life worthy of notice. Let's hope that influential people see that.
In the end, though, no matter what happens, it is always better for everyone to think that he was under-appreciated than over-appreciated. If he never wins another Oscar, I'd say he's in pretty good company in the won-one-or-less club.

[Message edited by Bulldog on 12-21-2001]
posted 12-21-2001 08:55 AM PT (US) 
jeffy
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quote:
Originally posted by Bulldog:
[B]Yeah, 'Round Midnight was nothing short of the most spectacular Oscar embarrassment ever. Hoosiers deserved that God-damn statue.I think The Mission deserved it more.
NP: The Mission
posted 12-21-2001 10:08 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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If this Oscar travesty was something slight serious, Ennio Morricone would have to win every year...
posted 12-21-2001 11:58 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Goldsmith? Oscar?HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
--Brian
posted 12-21-2001 01:07 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Yeah... he is too good for that crap!!
posted 12-21-2001 01:33 PM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!Jz
posted 12-21-2001 01:33 PM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Just kidding he's done a few things that deserve an oscar. Like.......like......like..........Jz
posted 12-21-2001 01:35 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Like.... THE OMEN!!!Hihihihiiihi!

posted 12-21-2001 01:36 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Considering I have memoryitis...Hoosiers was nominated at the same time as The Mission and Around Midnight?....why THE MISSION didn't win is beyond me?!...as was the Academy's decision that Dexter Gordon's beautiful sax playing was written specially for the film?!...how much Herbie Hancock score was there anyway??
Dammit! Morricone should have won for THE MISSION which to this day is still one of the greatest and most beautiful scores ever written!
The Academy will probably feel guilty one day and give Morricone one of those 'sorry we didn't give you one when you deserved it' Oscars like they did to Alex North!
Paaahhh!
posted 12-21-2001 06:24 PM PT (US) 
Bulldog
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Sorry folks, but when it comes to architecture and dramatic insightfulness, Hoosiers [Goldsmith] does to The Mission [Morricone] what Tyson did to Spinks around the same time.
posted 12-23-2001 09:17 PM PT (US) 
Bulldog
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Double post. My apologies.[Message edited by Bulldog on 12-24-2001]
posted 12-23-2001 09:22 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Sorry Bulldog, but to compare HOOSIERS (a simple movie about sport heroes and stuff) with THE MISSION (a serious drama about the true events that helped the killing of the entire inidians on south america) is like comparing an orange juice with a refined wine.Morricone's score is the soul of THE MISSION and brings the movie to even a higher level of importance and relevance.
HOOSIERS is a nice movie, with nice acting and the usual melodramatic clichés. Goldsmtih score is very good and effective, but can't be nothing more than that because of the movie.
posted 12-24-2001 06:39 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Acctually that is true Andre I love the Omen.Mewwy Chwistmas!

Jz
posted 12-24-2001 07:10 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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The best score Oscar given to Round Midnight is just another evidence of the stupidity of the voting members and the giant flaws of the Academy balloting system.Hancock's Round Midnight was an ADAPTATION at best yet it beat out superior original scores in the ORIGINAL SCORE category.
And more recenty it took over 5 years for them to realize that Menkin's MUSICALS (the Academy members, like most everyone else, are suckers for songs) for Disney were robbing other great scores in the SCORE category.
And don't even get me started on the Grammies. Dad Gummit!
posted 12-24-2001 07:53 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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As Andre said, HOOSIERS was merely an okay film. However I can't be as charitable about Goldsmith's score which is IMO not very good and even worse is the fact it has not dated very well!THE MISSION was the work of a genius at the top of his craft...no doubt about it!
posted 12-24-2001 10:17 AM PT (US) 
Bulldog
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Film music should not be judged primarily based upon something so subjective as musical taste. The beauty of a film score should in no way determine that it is "good." [What does it mean for music to be "good" or "bad" anyway?]Score Oscars should be awarded to works because they enhance the films they accompany; by the level and significance of how well they serve to communicate pictures' messages. Rarely, if ever, has a score been as brilliant as Hoosiers in this regard. The fact remains from my accidental double post (sorry) that Goldsmith, as Franklin Schaffner noted, "has no peer" in regard to "the blending of music and dramatic content."
But I also think that Hoosiers contains wonderful music, as rich and rewarding to listen to now as when I first did in 1987. It is just my opinion, but, musically, I believe it is the work of a genius at the top of his craft.
Here's the important part--dramatically, there's no question.
[Message edited by Bulldog on 12-24-2001]
posted 12-24-2001 10:54 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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HOOSIERS is good. No doubt about it.But THE MISSION is a masterpice. And will always be.
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