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Lancelot

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Reportedly, this film opened on 17 screens nationwide, so if you weren't one of the (literally) handful of people who saw this at the box office this weekend, it's not your fault...I wasn't really sure what to expect since this movie was completely unmentioned in virtually any media. No synopsis in the paper, no early reviews or criticism. (This may be the only review you'll read of the film.) The most one would probably catch in passing is that James Van Der Beek is in it--so it must be "Dawson's Creek" with Horses, right? Aston Kutcher co-stars [insert the obligatory "Dude, where's my horse?" jokes, getting them out of the way...]
So, when nothing's out there bashing or praising such a small-release film, and you've got a blank slate, this is usually the opportunity to be pleasantly surprised.
Honestly--a good movie, good cast: Dylan McDermott, Alfred Molina, Robert Patrick, Lenora Varela. A bit typical, if you like westerns...evil cattle thieves, raiding and pilliaging must be brought to justice. But highly decent handling of the subject.
Trevor Rabin's score--for those of you who have heard American Outlaws, you're almost expecting that music...except you don't hear it. There are Rodeo-like moments in the score, where you can hear the Coplandesque influence. There is a traditional Rabin-march/theme, for the legendary Rangers, and some softer, quieter moments, slightly reminiscent of Enemy of the State. It's encouraging, because you can hear a touch Rabin's influence, yet you can determine that it isn't thematically or structurally similar to anything he's done in the past. (There aren't a lot of minor-key progressions.) Haven't heard anything of a score release, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Probably the only way you'll catch this one is on video, but it's a decent viewing.
posted 12-03-2001 03:05 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Interesting you liked it, the only reviews I read were OVERWHELMINGLY negative...Just look and laugh:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movie-1111103/I also read something funny over at http://filmforce.ign.com :
In case you haven't noticed, there's one glaring omission from this week's reviews: Texas Rangers. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your point of view, the film didn't screen widely enough for us to catch a preview showing. That's usually a sign that the studio isn't too confident in it's product, and given the constant release delays that have plagued this film, I'm not hold out much hope.
So inspiring! What a cast this movie has: Van Der Beek, Usher (yes, the singer), Robert Patrick, Randy Travis (yes, the singer), Ashton Kutcher! Rachael Leigh Cook!? What was Dylan McDermott thinking?! But like I said, it could be good, right? You think... Maybe? Naaah!
wonder if Usher and Randy Travis have a musical number together? And maybe Usher can get Cook out on the dance floor again and they can teach the Rangers some totally unrealistic dance that they could all do together at their totally unrealistic prom!? Oh wait! That's been done. But then again, so has this. Where's my badge and gun? See ya next week folks! I'm off to the movies.

posted 12-03-2001 04:40 PM PT (US) 
madono_x
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Trevor Rabin is a muppet!!!!Rabino have a minusvalid guitarr!!!!!
Rabin copy and paste every theme composed by hans zimmer,but in bad!!!!
Trebor rabin is the fallen angel of media ventures!!!
Seeu
PD:sorry for my english.I'm German( jeje)
JO soc catalā!
posted 12-03-2001 04:46 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Don't worry madono_x, your poor english hardly shows.
posted 12-03-2001 04:56 PM PT (US) 
Marselus

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madono_x....how do you dare call Trevor Rabin a Muppett??!!! xD
Rabin is a guitar maestro, and a good score writter (have you listened Armageddon, Remember the titans, some great cues in American Outlaws and The Sixth Day). Itīs true that he sounds like a Media Ventures guy, but thatīs great!! Iīm sorry, Iīm a Media Ventures fanatic, with the GREAT Hans Zimmer on the top, and I canīt help it. Although Rabinīs always said he has nothing to do with MV, his scores all have the MV flavour, and I love them. Iīm sad Texas Rangers wonīt have a score release, but Iīll wait for The One score, which I hope to enjoy in a few days.
posted 12-03-2001 05:38 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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How interesting that filmforce has something funny to say about a movie they haven't even seen. Wow, let the jokes roll--it wouldn't be uncommon for anyone to do the same around here....posted 12-03-2001 06:00 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Lancelot, live a little!
Making fun of movies before you've seen them is what life is all about, you poor soul!
posted 12-03-2001 06:16 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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1. You mistake me for someone who has a life.2. Whose life, anyway?
3. Granted, my own humble definition of life may translate as pretty pathetic from the viewpoint of some if not many on this board, but it is my own, and I will not live it taking someone else's opinion for what I have not witnessed with my own eyes and/or ears. (Particularly not from something called "rotten tomatoes"...)
[Message edited by Lancelot on 12-03-2001]
posted 12-03-2001 06:28 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Hasta:
Making fun of movies before you've seen them is what life is all about, you poor soul!Gee, and I always thought there was more to it than that. Thanks for the tip, Jason!
posted 12-03-2001 07:09 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Jeron, who did you hear that from? I shall have them killed immediately.
posted 12-03-2001 07:14 PM PT (US) 
MattStar
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I've actually seen this movie twice now (its at the theatre that I work at) and I liked it. Not a great movie but a good popcorn movie. Go see a matinee of it.
I didn't see American Outlaws so I can't compare that score with this one, but I was impressed with Rabin on this one. It's big and bold. It's like Armageddon on a horse (although I hated Armageddon I do remember some big musical moments in that movie). Rabin has never held any place in my collection but I might consider buying a score of Rangers (if I found a used copy).
posted 12-03-2001 09:26 PM PT (US) 
madono_x
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Marselus....I have listened
Armageddon,perfect outlaws,sixth days,remember the titans and many others Rabin's scores.
All right,I have must to say that the main themes are pretty (Armageddon and perfect outlaws are great!!),but the sound of my modem is much more nice than the rabin's synth!!!
Pd:Armageddon composed by:harry gregson williams and main theme by Trevor "muppet" rabin!
Seeu and sorry for my poor english.
Zimmer Forever!!! Media Ventures Forever!!!! Rabin sucks!!!!!
posted 12-04-2001 01:02 PM PT (US) 
GrizzlyMV

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What "Sucks" is people who say that a composer suck!! If you think you can do better than him, fine, then proove it!! Otherwise, you can say that you don't like the style of a composer, but you can't say that a composer suck...and even if you can do better than him (or any other composer) which I really doubt, I don't think you can still say that a composer suck!Yes, each composers have their own styles. One may be more electronic while another one use always live orchestra. One can be similar to another, while the other one can be very original. If the guy is asked for a lot of project, maybe he have a talent and some peoples like what he does don't you think?
Now, more than ever before, a composer is asked to redo one of his previous score when he do a movie. They get the guy, because he did that style of music and that's what they want. Anyway, Rabin is not worst than any other composers, and Williams is not better than any other composers. They all have their own styles and that's it. And I like that because we can have many differents style and enjoy them.
You can give your opinion about a work done by a composer. But you can't say that somebody suck. The person who suck in that case, is the person who say that somebody suck!
That's my point.
posted 12-05-2001 02:40 PM PT (US) 
Marselus

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GrizzlyMV, I completely agree with you....and I canīt understand somebody saying a composer sucks (and if the composer is one liked by you...buff, then I really become angry). As Grizzly says, each composer has his own style (in the case of Rabin, itīs the MV style, and what? We MV fans love that style).
When I read your message, madono_x, the first thing I did was to put a Rabin CD in my discman, and you know what? I enjoyed it like I never did in the past. People like you makes me appreciate better the music (ore the musicians) you criticize.
Well madono_x, I hope to see a cd composed by you in the stores so we can see what a great composer you are
See you...and God Bless Media Ventures (and Trevor Rabinīs guitar).
posted 12-05-2001 03:44 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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Grizzly, I'm not sure how many times it's been said before, but I'll say it again...The argument that if you think something "sucks" you should try and do better is ridiculous. We don't do this for a profession, and the same could be said for film, music, whatever.
posted 12-05-2001 03:44 PM PT (US) 
madono_x
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Hello again dear friends!
While I'm writting this post reply I'm listenning "spy game"(operation dinner out is terrific) and "shrek"(thanks Marselus for the CD ).
Grizzly(wow!!you have a muppet nick)I like Rabin's style,but the problem is that is not Rabin's style is ZIMMER'S STYLE!!Trebor copy every note of hans zimmer's:broken arrow,drop zone,point of no return,days of thunder,etc.... but in bad
Finally I must say that the Rabin's score are very short and Rabin's synth is patethic and is a
Sorry...when I wrotte "sucks" I meants "sinking"
I LOVE MEDIA VENTURES(AND MANCINA)!!!I LOVE SYNTH!!!!MY FAVOURITE COMPOSER IS HANS ZIMMER!!!! ZIMMER IS THE BEST,IS THE MAESTRO,IS ALL MY LIFE!!!(well,almost)
Pd:I'm not a composer,but I have much more talent that Trevor "Teletubbie" Rabin.I'm completly sure.
Seeu,sorry for my poor english...and sorry for the poor talent of trevor rabin.posted 12-05-2001 04:23 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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I think the argument that some people have is that we mere mortals are not qualified to judge. If John Williams cried out, "Trevor Rabin sucks!"...then people might stand up and take notice.I honestly think branding a composer as such is childish...if you don't like synths or his style that is one thing...to say they suck is not a very well thought out cattle brand.
At the end of the day--we might be the heart and soul of the industry, but the industry could give a giant cow flop what we think. Probably for good reason too, if you spend enough time on the board and consider everyone's opinion...then they all suck and we'd be left with nothing. Boo...
posted 12-05-2001 04:25 PM PT (US) 
Dinko

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quote:
Originally posted by madono_x:
Rabin's style is ZIMMER'S STYLE!!Trebor copy every note of hans zimmer's:broken arrow,drop zone,point of no return,days of thunder,etc.... but in bad
Gee, why do I suddenly think of Harold Faltermeyer's Running Man?
posted 12-05-2001 06:19 PM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

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Ugh. Texas Rangers? If you want to talk about Westerns, why not talk about some real ones, like The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, or Once Upon a Time in the West, two movies I've seen in the last two weeks in my film class. Incredible movies, with great acting (Henry Fonda as a villan!) and cinematography, and a pair of simply AMAZING scores by Ennio Morricone that blow anything Rabin could ever hope to achieve out of the water. Go and watch those movies if you haven't seen them; or again if you have. Widescreen only, because pan and scan sucks!Mike
posted 12-05-2001 10:12 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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They still make westerns in the present day, though.
posted 12-05-2001 10:14 PM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

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Yeah. But what was the last great one? Unforgiven? My film teacher said it best. Westerns today are poor films because the people making them have no idea about how the rest really was. The actors today just don't come across as people who would make a good Western hero or villan. I mean, who's more convincing: James van der Beek or Henry Fonda? Someone from American Outlaws, or Clint Eastwood? Dylan McDermott, or John Wayne? Sure, people may attempt to make Westerns today, but they are nowhere near as good as the ones produced in the 30s-early 70s. The last great Westerns were Unforgiven and Tombstone. Everything else; either of poor quality or parody.Mike
posted 12-05-2001 10:20 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Wha? We know more about the west today than we did 30 years ago....
posted 12-05-2001 10:41 PM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

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Who cares if we "know" more about the West today than we did then. Does it make for better movies? NO. Absolutely not. And you know why? Because a lot of the people who made Westerns (Ford, Peckinpah) lived at the same time the frontier was closing, when Wyatt Earp was still alive. They knew what the West was first hand; therefore, it gave them an edge when making Western pictures, and it shows. Are you trying to tell me a picture like TEXAS RANGERS is better than FORT APACHE or THE SEARCHERS? Or AMERICAN OUTLAWS is better than ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST? Just because we "know more" about the West now than we did then? Come on. Don't be silly.Mike
posted 12-05-2001 11:36 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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In case you haven't noticed, I make a living being silly on this board.By your arguement, though, all movies must be made closer to the time they occur in history, and <shug> like "sands in the hourglass, so are the days of our lives." If you want to take the position that older is better, fine, but there's something about going to see a western in the movie theater these days, so it's fine by me if they keep making westerns.
Unforgiven I agree with, ok, but by what standards is Tombstone a great western? I like Kurt Russell as an actor as much as if not more than the next guy, but Wyatt Earp was a superior story.
posted 12-06-2001 05:31 AM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

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I only made that comment about Westerns. I was relating it to something my professor had said. I wasn't referring to any other genre of movies; just the Western. And YES, TOMBSTONE is better. It isn't overlong, it pays homage to the Westerns of old (hell, there's footage of THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY in the beginning!), and the duel at the end between Ringo and Holiday is incredible and a throwback to the duels of old. I think I'd much rather take the word of a Ph.D on this. If WYATT EARP was better, he would have shown it in class.Mike
posted 12-06-2001 07:37 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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As far as westerns go...Unforgiven excels in being (what I feel) is accurate depictions of the frontier and its populace. Tombstone is a very entertaining picture, well-acted and well-told, but historically questionable. Wyatt Earp is historically accurate, but somewhat droll.End point--westerns can still be made and made well. The market for them has fallen off the map (relatively speaking). For every great western made in the past 60 years there was 10 cheesy ones...I think the ratio of success over the past 10 years is a tad better.
posted 12-06-2001 09:25 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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It's only a tad better because there are fewer westerns being made. Westerns were a common staple of early 20th century filmmaking. Nowadays, most westerns end up on TNT. Lonesome Dove, the amazing 6-hour epic, didn't even get on to the big screen.(Geez, my film prof didn't show Gone With the Wind in class...must not be a classic.)
posted 12-06-2001 11:34 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Come on Lancie...that was my point!
posted 12-06-2001 11:45 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Just reiterating for clarity and posterity.
posted 12-06-2001 02:24 PM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

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Ok...so Westerns are still made today. But do they compare to stuff directed by Ford or Leone? No wonder they end up on TNT! I mean, really, Lancelot, if you're going to make a case about Westerns today being good and all, at least reference what I've said when you're doing it. It seems as though your wheels are just spinning.Mike
posted 12-06-2001 02:53 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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The reason they are on TNT is because the market for western FILMS has gone down the toilet. The west has lost the mysticism it held in first 60 years of the 20th century.I would suggest that if this was not the case, we would see more westerns, directed by the top tier directors of this era, and the results would be at the very least equal in quality to Ford or whomever.
Judging modern westerns by American Outlaws are Texas Rangers is like judging Ford by some of the hilarious trash that came out Hollywood in decades past.
posted 12-06-2001 04:05 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Quill, (et. al.)--My original point was that Texas Rangers actually is a good western, if a bit generic/traditional storywise.
and in addendum...I apologize if I'm not sitting home polishing my Sergio Leone DVDs, as though I somehow disrespect the western canon of filmdom by suggesting that James Van Der Beek makes a decent Texas Ranger....
I never saw American Outlaws so I have nothing to say upon that subject. Good score, though.
The western is truly America's greatest contribution to movie making, and it's sorry that the genre has lost a bit of momentum. I like to think that it somehow is "reincarnated" in movies like Star Wars, and Broken Arrow, but, gosh, that must be some kind of heretical statement in and of itself....
[Message edited by Lancelot on 12-06-2001]
posted 12-06-2001 06:32 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Damn you!! Break out the pyre...
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