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Dinko Oscar® Winner	Found out when looking at classical avance orders: The link to that crappy site Did some small (small I say, not exhaustive) internet search. Didn't find any mention of old recording of Korngold by Previn. Any one know more about this release?
posted 11-22-2001 05:30 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Oooh! Johnny likey!
posted 11-22-2001 05:41 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	No idea. And why "suites"? Are there three different suites on the album, all starting with the main title? Anyway, this is one of the best scores ever written, and if this album is any good, I have to have it. In the meantime, everybody who doesn't have the original 1935 recording (on Tsunami) yet should get it! And the suite on Marco Polo, too.
posted 11-22-2001 05:58 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Deutsche Grammophon is releasing a disc with Previn and the LSO containing: The Sea Hawk The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex Captain Blood The Prince and the Pauper I assume this is the disc listed at CDNow.
posted 11-22-2001 06:23 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Why, Thank You Very Much My Dear Sir! Yes, that is probably it.
posted 11-22-2001 06:40 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Woohoo! Gimmegimmegimme! NP: Hedwig's Theme (I'll see the film in less than 16 hours! )
posted 11-22-2001 07:18 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Clips are up! Click on Jonathan's link above. When you get to the orange page, click on Track Listing.
posted 01-31-2002 01:10 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Blood. Blood! BLOOD!
posted 01-31-2002 03:01 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Recorded 07/200, eh?
posted 01-31-2002 03:03 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	What? You didn't know? Those prehistoric barbarians had great recording techniques.
posted 01-31-2002 03:08 PM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	Yep, The Neolithic Philharmonic Conducted by Ook is something to behold! Gack!
posted 01-31-2002 03:12 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: What? You didn't know? Those prehistoric barbarians had great recording techniques. Of course I knew. I just didn't know they also had Andre Previn. NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #3, original version (Royal Scottish National Orchestra, Georg Tintner)
posted 01-31-2002 03:30 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Previn? Hmmm... didn't think about him. Maybe he's a time traveller. Or perhaps he had some old ancestor. Maybe he's a highlander...
posted 01-31-2002 03:40 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	YES! Finally, a record company that puts gapless (I'm assuming they're gapless) track breaks during these long suites.
posted 01-31-2002 03:55 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Er...what? NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #3, original version (Royal Scottish National Orchestra, Georg Tintner)
posted 01-31-2002 04:08 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: Er...what? What "what?"? You know: long suite. Instead of each mini-track of 25 seconds being a separate cue with a 3 second silence in between, it all flows together. Like that 2CD Phantom Menace CD.
posted 02-01-2002 06:14 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	4 suites... 31 tracks.
posted 02-01-2002 06:40 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	But why is that new? Particularly for a classical label like DG? When the music flows together, they leave it like that on the CD. When the music doesn't flow together, it won't on the CD, either. Still
posted 02-01-2002 07:51 AM PT (US)

SCimmerian Oscar® Winner	Previn performance has no life to it, sluggish conducting no passion or excitment. He does not get it. This is swashbuckling film music,it must be played with a sense of adventure. If you want the best played Korngold then stick with the Gerhardt recordings.
posted 02-01-2002 11:14 AM PT (US)

Dana Wilcox Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by SCimmerian: Previn performance has no life to it, sluggish conducting no passion or excitment. He does not get it. This is swashbuckling film music,it must be played with a sense of adventure. If you want the best played Korngold then stick with the Gerhardt recordings. They seem to like him in London! The patrons of the LSO would hardly stand for a sluggard as its principal conductor... It's also hard to imagine the man who brought us ELMER GANTRY and 4 HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE doing anything musical in a passionless way!
posted 02-02-2002 09:49 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Can't comment on the Korngold CD. Haven't hear it on CD yet. But I think SCimmerian has a point about general Previn-conducted music. His performances are always "nice", but rarely "passionate" or "exciting". Still, I'm getting this Korngold CD when it comes out.
posted 02-03-2002 06:23 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Got it this morning. It's good. Not great. But good. It's a more "concert hall" than "studio" recording. Rythms are ok. Not too fast. Not too slow. Generally, the LSO performs pretty well, but I never thought I'd see the day when I'd hear the London Symphony Orchestra struggle. Maybe it's just me, but the LSO seems to almost stumble during the opening of The Sea Hawk. The selection is nice. I'm not very familiar with Korngold, so I don't know if all the essential cues are on the CD. But overall it's a very good listen. oh... and Digipak sucks. This cheap cardboard package will be destroyed in less than a dozen listens. All the copies they had in the store were already bent and damaged. Are regular plastic cases that expensive? Now I have to get myself that Gerhardt recording... [Message edited by Dinko on 02-05-2002]
posted 02-05-2002 12:06 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	DIGIPAK?!?!?!? OOOH MY.... I hate those damned things more than the Warner DVD snappers.
posted 02-05-2002 02:12 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	DG does Digipack?? If Gerhardt ever recorded a longer suite from Blood than the lovely but brief Ship in the Night (on the Errol Flynn compilatioin), it's out of print. For Blood, get the excellent Marco Polo album entitled Captain Blood (...). (And I'll get that Previn album )
posted 02-05-2002 02:13 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Bought this today, didn't find it sluggish, great recording, LSO have NO problem playing it....very enjoyable! NP : Previn conducts Korngold
posted 02-05-2002 05:00 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Timmer, listen to the first half of the first track from The Sea Hawk. Doesn't it seem to you as if at one point the leading brass (trumpets or horns or whatever) kind of can't keep up the rythm, and the strings get desynchronized with the rest of the orchestra? The rest of the album is performed without problem. But this particular part is the one which bugs me.
posted 02-05-2002 06:21 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	I'll listen out for that when I play it again Dinko, I've played it twice today but both times I have been doing something (one of them being on this computer), I usually soak up musical info easily but I may well have missed something? NP : Call Of The Champions - John Williams
posted 02-05-2002 06:28 PM PT (US)

SCimmerian Oscar® Winner	Man you can't be serious.Just compare the dueling music from The Sea Hawk to the Gerhardt.Previn is slow no excitment.Try the Gerhardt Captain Blood overture on THE SEA HAWK;The Classic Film Scores of Eric Wolfgang Korngold.,Now that is ripping swashbuckler music making.The Shores of Dover cue without chorus? FORGET IT. What about Elizabeth and Essex, the best performance by far is the Carl Davis on Bay Cities, a powerhouse yes sir.Previn messed this up, he made Korngold sound boring.Strange though his version of the Korngold symphony on DG is the best.
posted 02-05-2002 07:06 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by SCimmerian: Gerhardt Captain Blood overture on THE SEA HAWK;The Classic Film Scores of Eric Wolfgang Korngold. As I understand it, that album has been out of print for years.
posted 02-05-2002 07:37 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: As I understand it, that album has been out of print for years. As you understand it, you might be half right. That album is available at a few places for "within 24 hour shipping". So... you're wrong. But: you may be right. Because most of these stores screw up. Often. NP: White Christmas. Fiedler/Boston Pops.
posted 02-06-2002 06:20 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Where!?
posted 02-06-2002 08:02 AM PT (US)

El Cid Oscar® Winner	Well, the original CD release of "The Sea Hawk" compilation is out of print. Despite glowing reviews, it was withdrawn shortly after its release and replaced with a new edition, with less music and worse sound. See http://www.classicalcdreview.com/cfs.htm for the sordid details.
posted 02-06-2002 08:09 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I had no idea there were SO many Gerhardt recordings...! (They got some facts wrong, though: At least, the ESB album recorded in 1980 can't possibly have been Gerhardt's last recording of Star Wars music, since Jedi wasn't even composed at that time)
posted 02-06-2002 09:05 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Thanks El Cid. This explains why I find the out-of-print album as well as the in-print album. Marian, try most online stores, with keyword "Sea Hawk". They should have the "Dolby" version for about $10(USD). But even if it's not the better version, it's still better than nothing... right?
posted 02-06-2002 10:51 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	I have yet to hear these on a Dolby Surround system, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high. Limited-bandwidth, delayed, matrixed surround tracks seem exciting for TV broadcasts... but not for orchestral music. Oh well, I've never been real impressed with RCA, and all of the Java errors on their website really put me off to them. And I've always wondered where that Sea Hawk cover came from. I appreciate the link, El Cid! quote: The National Philharmonic brass bring down the house with their virtuosity in the exciting " Ride to Dubno" from Taras Bulba which was recorded in a single take. WOW!!!! NP: The Classic Film Scores of Franz Waxman ... which seems to be missing some tracks.
posted 02-06-2002 06:45 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by jonathan_little: I have yet to hear these on a Dolby Surround system, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high. I don't play music in Dolby Surround. I don't know if it's just my center speaker (which seems to be trimmed for dialogue rather than music) or just the general decoding algorithm, but the CDs always have more depth in Stereo mode. Fortunately, my loudspeakers are set up in a way that you get a fine "middle" sound without the center speaker as well, and you don't gain really much by DS rears, anyway. In Stereo mode, some of those Gerhardt CDs sound very good. The Herrmann album in particular is fantastic.
posted 02-07-2002 05:37 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Well, it's Gramophone's Record of the Month: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/recofthemonth.asp
posted 02-13-2002 12:26 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	quote: Gerhardt Captain Blood overture on THE SEA HAWK;The Classic Film Scores of Eric Wolfgang Korngold. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As I understand it, that album has been out of print for years Can't be. I see it in new soundtrack sections all the time. As I understand it, the ONLY Gerhardt RCA CD to be OOP is the Lost Horizon: Classic Film Scores of Dimitri Tiomkin album, which is very good (I only have the LP, but even THAT sounds marvellous). I might pick up that Previn CD. I'm like other though in that I find nothing appealing about Previn's conducting. NP -- The Flame and the Arrow, Steiner
posted 02-13-2002 01:36 PM PT (US)

Vinylscrubber Oscar® Nominee	Have to agree with SCimmerian--based on the clips at the posted site, it sounds like Korngold on lithium. The duel music from THE SEA HAWK is not even close to the absolutely electrifying rendition it is given on the Gerhardt Flynn disc. Never thought I'd quote Michael Cimino, but, "if you don't get it right, what's the point?" [Message edited by Vinylscrubber on 02-13-2002] [Message edited by Vinylscrubber on 02-13-2002]
posted 02-13-2002 03:14 PM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	Well, I don't have the Gerhardt disc, yet. But if the 12 minute suite from Robin Hood I have elsewhere is any indication of Gerhardt's performance, I like Previn better. Gerhardt's Robin Hood is nice, but there's something missing. The conducting is with passion, but the performers sound kind of bored.
posted 02-13-2002 04:57 PM PT (US)

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