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Vladimir
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Once again a new soundtrack is released and someone is not satisfied. My mom picked up the cd for me over the weekend, its everything I expected. This is the best Williams score yet!!!! I heard some people comparing it to Hook. If it does sound a little like Hook who cares???? I have hear Hook and while Harry Potter does have its Hook moments who cares??? I don't, i love the score and we should be happy, that we have such a great talent in Williams to compose music for us to listen to. I know everyone is intitiled to there own opinion, which is great but sometimes some of you guys are never happy here!!!!Matt
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posted 11-20-2001 08:22 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by Vladimir:
[B]Once again a new soundtrack is released and someone is not satisfied. I know everyone is intitiled to there own opinion, which is great but sometimes some of you guys are never happy here!!!!Well, that's right no score, Williams or not, has EVER satisfied everyone. I think some people just expect that naturally a Williams score will be unanimously praised and enjoyed by everyone. It is always possible that everyone will not be equally impressed by his latest score the same as they would not be by Goldsmith's or Zimmer's or anyone else's. Like you say... everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's just what they've been giving.
posted 11-20-2001 08:31 AM PT (US) 
Wedge

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I'm wondering why we see such polarity. People seem to either hail Harry Potter as flawless or "boo" it as derivative crap.Speaking for myself, I find it to be highly enjoyable musical construction, which is firmly in line with the dominant direction of Williams' style. I don't find it to be particularly brilliant -- at least, not with the consistency of "Hook," for example -- but nor do I labor under any illusions that it was "supposed to be."
I give it ****/*****
posted 11-20-2001 09:10 AM PT (US) 
Wedge

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Oops! Posted twice.
[Message edited by Wedge on 11-20-2001]
posted 11-20-2001 09:13 AM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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This polarity comes from taste, and it's somewhat of a proverb that there is no accounting for taste. My personal theory is that those who think Harry Potter's score or film is derivative crap is expecting something from Williams they haven't heard before- and rightly so considering that they've listened to so much of his music and have loved his music so long, it seemes to me they haven't got a lot of objectivity- However, as I do, they've got a right to their opinion.The other side of that is those absolutely think it's great love it for what it is. As it was said with this thread started, it may soundlike other parts of other scores, "who cares!". Well for one, the naysayers do, but as a refresher, I think it's great that no matter the strongest opposition to this film and score, someone isn't afraid to say how much they love this score.
How many of us had at one point had to defend our interest in films and score- specifically at the times/events of sci-fi material? We should never have to justify our interests, it doesn't matter if it's the popular status quo- and there a lot of people here who like what they like and it doesn't matter what others think. That's what makes a great and soulful fan. It doesn't matter, wether something is popular or not and it shouldn't be just a loyalty and devotion to just one genre, just one composer, etc.- Entertainment is, to a certain extent- about the experience. Variety of experience tends make life a little less dull. Someone who appreciates something and has taken the time to be resourceful about a subject- pretty much everyone here- is someone to have appreciation for.
I think those who dislike Harry Potter would just like a little innovation and diversity in Williams of late- but truthfully, wouldn't be so much more satisfying if people just varied up what they listened to? If you look in most profiles of the memebers of this board- that's exactly what they do- they don't stick to one person and they try different kind of scores, many tend to keep an open mind. I couldn't, wouldn't want to go anywhere near Lord of the Rings if I thought Howard Shore was a horrible composer- I haven't REALLY heard his other works except The Fly. I'd be denying myself a good experience in this case. I've heard Lord of The Rings- I can't wait to own it, regardless of who wrote it, more to the fact that it's part of a movie I'm looking forward to seeing (especially how it translates to film). I've heard Harry Potter in the film- the sound design could've been better put together, but I don't think there's too much music- if there is, there just isn't a judicious amount of editing sense, but otherwise it's part of a greater experience- and that's why I buy scores, because I like what I hear as it was married to something I saw that I equally or close equally like. Separating a score from a film cheapens the meaning for me in why I own the item- otherwise in the rare occasion, the music has to be outstanding to me.
I'm sorry for the length and I don't mean to wax poetic about the subject. It made sense for me to sort this out for myself by writing so. There are others who have strong opposition to Harry Potter in another thread- but keep in mind there opinions aren't anywhere near as ludicrous as those who refuse to experience Potter by Book, Music, or Film because of their uneducated and uninformed opinions about the material and witchcraft and sorcery. On that subject, one has only to have read the book to know that piece of happenstance is just ironic when compared to the people with which the main character is first used to dealing with. At least some of the naysayers whose posts I've read can be qualified as informed as they have seen the film and at least paid as much attention to the score as they can without disrupting the watching.
[Message edited by Widescreen on 11-20-2001]
posted 11-20-2001 09:46 AM PT (US) 
SPQR

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While I personally don't think it ranks anywhere above the average, I wouldn't call it bad...just emotionally inert. Williams has tread this path so often I find it rather difficult to succumb to another exhausting permutation of the same old, same old.
posted 11-20-2001 10:53 AM PT (US) 
Ed
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When Williams' scores for JAWS and, later, STAR WARS first hit theaters, there were MANY critics of both works who raised serious objections. One of these was noted film music critic Page Cook from Films In Review. Moral of the story: decide what you like and enjoy it, and don't be bothered if the next guy doen't agree.
posted 11-20-2001 11:26 AM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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Ed- you've made my point- only shorter! Gots ta give props, thanks, man.
posted 11-20-2001 11:30 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by Vladimir:
If it does sound a little like Hook who cares???? I have hear Hook and while Harry Potter does have its Hook moments who cares???I care!!!
I care!!!Thanks for asking.

posted 11-20-2001 12:35 PM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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But do we care if you care???No.

Jz
posted 11-20-2001 03:40 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by John Zimmer:
But do we care if you care???No.
And I certainly don't care if you lads do care...
Anyway, thanks for your concern!

posted 11-21-2001 07:14 AM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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I just got this today and am happy to report that I'm enjoying it very much.I've read all the polarised comments on this work but I don't listen to lots of Williams and so in that respect I don't compare it to older works...although I do hear some textures from another work he did (Star Wars).
I've also read comments about the so-called mature sound he's adopted lately but in light of 'The Patriot' and 'Saving Private Ryan' - I really like what he is offering (although AI didn't do much for me at all).
In this sense, I see myself listening to more of his older works as time progresses. The question remains whether or not I'll like them. Only time will tell but for now I'm enjoying HP.
Rochelle
posted 11-21-2001 07:59 AM PT (US) 
Hasta
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I've said it once and I'll say it again...The fact that Williams' didn't go all out and produce a totally original score isn't the reason I consider it "good" rather than "great", it's the simple fact that the score fleshes out nothing from me... Hardly any emotion, not much excitement and, quite like the film, a lot of boredom.

It's too long, I don't care how technically brilliant it is if it doesn't pull my strings.
posted 11-21-2001 08:06 AM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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quote:
Originally posted by Hasta:
I've said it once and I'll say it again...It's too long, I don't care how technically brilliant it is if it doesn't pull my strings.
And you want your underwear back....hmm methinks a wedgie for you.....
posted 11-21-2001 08:26 AM PT (US) 
Al

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quote:
Originally posted by Wedge: People seem to either hail Harry Potter as flawless or "boo" it as derivative crap.That's not entirely true, even though I know you're exaggerating. I fit snugly in between.
quote:
Originally posted by Vladimir I know everyone is intitiled to there own opinion, which is great but sometimes some of you guys are never happy here!!!!I am perfectly happy with Mission To Mars.
posted 11-21-2001 10:01 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Al:
That's not entirely true, even though I know you're exaggerating. I fit snugly in between....says the guy who doesn't have Raiders.

NP: Images (John Williams)
posted 11-21-2001 11:33 AM PT (US) 
Vladimir
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You Guys drive me nutzzzzzzzzzzzand no i don't care if you care =)
posted 11-21-2001 11:35 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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quote:
Originally posted by André Lux:<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by John Zimmer:
[b]But do we care if you care???No.
<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>And I certainly don't care if you lads do care...
Anyway, thanks for your concern!
[/B]
"Put that man in cell number one, and give him a drink!""What do you drink?"
"I don't care!"
If anyone can name what film that quote is from, ya get the booby prize.
Big Jim Slade
posted 11-21-2001 03:59 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by Al:
I am perfectly happy with Mission To Mars.Yeah, me too Al!!

posted 11-21-2001 04:50 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
