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John F Oscar® Winner	Well i finally saw the trailor to this film on Access Hollywood last night and looks like a dynamite film.... I love Ridley Scott... and can't wait to hear what Zimmer will do with this film. The music used in the trailor was excellent- and I had never heard it before! Which leaves me to think maybe Zimmer scored the trailor? Zimmer had his stamp on it... complete with a rhythmic beat with female vocal... if this was any inkling to what the score will sound like, hold onto your hats! John F
posted 11-14-2001 08:32 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	Yeah, I'd have to guess that it's original trailer music for now - not sure about the "song" during the 2nd half, though - it sounded like it could have just been some sort of modern pop thing. Dan
posted 11-14-2001 09:37 AM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Maybe I'm just watching a different trailer, but the one I saw had about 30 seconds of Gerrard's voice, a direct piece from Gladiator, followed by "Knockin on Heaven's Door", which I'd hardly call a "modern pop thing", so I take it I'm just not viewing the right one. I know, I'm no help
posted 11-14-2001 09:54 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	Jason, that would be from the teaser, which came out a while back. We're talking about the new trailer. Dan
posted 11-14-2001 10:09 AM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	The song at the end of the trailer is by Moby, called Natural Blues. It's a shame Hans Zimmer is attached to some of the biggest crap coming out of America.
posted 11-14-2001 02:21 PM PT (US)

otten Oscar® Winner	The song used in the second part is from Moby. It's called "What does my heart feel so bad". It's on the "Play" CD. This trailer was really good. I really liked to different hues used. The blue-green near the end when the soldiers are running with the children was especially cool. And I really liked the contrast between the ocean, the beach, and the helocopters flying overhead. I read the book, it was fantastic. I am really looking forward to the movie, and the score. By the way, does anybody recognize the music used when the Rangers are rappeling down the rope? (Right before Ewan Mcgregor says "Hell Yeah". It sounded somewhat classical, Beethovenish; I thought I could pick out the sound of one of those smaller pianos that have a "tinging" sound to them; I don't know my musical instruments)
posted 11-14-2001 02:29 PM PT (US)

Quill Oscar® Winner	"It's a shame Hans Zimmer is attached to some of the biggest crap coming out of America." Ok...interesting comment for someone who hasn't seen the movie. Or have you...
posted 11-14-2001 04:52 PM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	No, I have not seen the film, but everytime Jerry Bruckheimer makes a film it's always some kind of military/American proganda film (ie. Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, The Rock, Top Gun) and then Ridley Scott (why is he still making movies after G.I. phucking Jane) who is no less different.
posted 11-14-2001 06:31 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Cat People, Beverly Hills Cop, Coyote Ugly, Remember the Titans....?
posted 11-14-2001 07:16 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by sean: The song at the end of the trailer is by Moby, called Natural Blues. It's a shame Hans Zimmer is attached to some of the biggest crap coming out of America. Actually Sean, Moby is VERY talented. I had the pleasure of meeting him. Great guy! Clayton
posted 11-14-2001 07:37 PM PT (US)

Bozman Oscar® Winner	Those who liked Gladiator might be interested that both Zimmer and Gerrard worked on BLACK HAWK DOWN. It'll be interesting to hear the score. Cheers!
posted 11-14-2001 08:34 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	I'm going to catch hell for this, but I'll write it anyway. Did Holst also collaborate with Zimmer and Gerrard again? Shaun
posted 11-14-2001 08:45 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	I really don't see what the point was in you saying that? It's a fact we all know aobut. Hans admitted it too. Sooooo what now? One thing for sure is that you'll always gonna diss on Hans no matter what. Inspired by Lux I'd say.....(ah hell)
posted 11-15-2001 01:26 AM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Lux and I are alike in one way: we both realize that Zimmer isn't talented. Shaun
posted 11-15-2001 08:35 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	and you're both wrong, but hey, live and let live....
posted 11-15-2001 08:43 AM PT (US)

John Zimmer Oscar® Winner	OH yeah wel!....wait I've already tried this and there is NO point to it. So screw you! Jz
posted 11-15-2001 08:44 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Don't worry there is plenty of crap coming out of other countries as well. Plus it's not like a majority of Zimmer's scores are masterpieces either. [Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 11-15-2001]
posted 11-15-2001 09:34 AM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	Scoreguy16: Actually Sean, Moby is VERY talented. I had the pleasure of meeting him. Great guy! So, when did I say Mody was not talented? I own almost every CD he's ever produced and buy all of his singles; I love Moby's music. I might have gotten the song wrong that they used in the trailer, Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? as opposed to Natural Blues, but that in no way implies that I think Moby is untalented. Nothing I previously wrote in this thread would imply such a thing.
posted 11-15-2001 11:32 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	Ohhhh sorry Sean. I read it wrong. I thought you meant that it's sad that Zimmer's music is attached to such crap. Like it's attached to moby's music or something like that. Ooooops... Clayton
posted 11-15-2001 05:15 PM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	lol, no prob Clayton. What I meant was that it was too bad that Zimmer usually writes music for awful films; giving the films he scores far better scores then they could have ever hoped for.
posted 11-15-2001 07:20 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	I'm looking forward to this film, but the score... When Zimmer collaborated with Gerrard for Gladiator it was fresh and unique IMO, but for the love of christ, what is she doing here again? Just because Gladiator sold so well doesn't mean Gerrard or some kind of female vocals must be implemented into every Zimmer score. And I was talking to Justin earlier, who mentioned Steve Jablonsky (sp) is also going to be working w/Zimmer on Black Hawk Down... I'd have to go with the Shaun / Andre route here... WTF is going on? I love Zimmer; why the hell must every one of his new scores have material written by several other people than him? It's getting annoying, and what first I took as a joke (the whole Zimmer and Co) is becoming a reality, are these composers or a business of corporate, blood sucking hacks?) Admittedly I like just about all their work, but give me a freaking break, this "3 composers per film" is ridiculous...
posted 11-15-2001 07:30 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Hasta: I'm looking forward to this film, but the score... When Zimmer collaborated with Gerrard for [b]Gladiator it was fresh and unique IMO, but for the love of christ, what is she doing here again? Just because Gladiator sold so well doesn't mean Gerrard or some kind of female vocals must be implemented into every Zimmer score. And I was talking to Justin earlier, who mentioned Steve Jablonsky (sp) is also going to be working w/Zimmer on Black Hawk Down... I'd have to go with the Shaun / Andre route here... WTF is going on? I love Zimmer; why the hell must every one of his new scores have material written by several other people than him? It's getting annoying, and what first I took as a joke (the whole Zimmer and Co) is becoming a reality, are these composers or a business of corporate, blood sucking hacks?) Admittedly I like just about all their work, but give me a freaking break, this "3 composers per film" is ridiculous... [/B] Why's that? Do soundtracks have more than one artists on them? Just think of it this way, they each write a song that gets selected for the film. As if it were a soundtrack type of deal. And why are you complaining if you like the music? If you like the music, it shouldn't matter where it came from or how many people wrote it! Geez! Be greatful that there are even these scores out there! Clayton
posted 11-16-2001 03:59 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	Oh yeah, I forgot to add something. I really like it when Zimmer has vocals in his scores. He's been doing it a lot longer than only since Gladiator came out. I think they make the score way more dramatic. Clayton
posted 11-16-2001 04:00 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: He's been doing it a lot longer than only since Gladiator came out. Well, yeah - as have many other composers including those long dead and gone. quote: I think they make the score way more dramatic. I agree completely - I love nothing more than a full choir used in a film score- it just adds that epic sense of drama. Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 11-16-2001]
posted 11-16-2001 04:18 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Yes, it's also used to bring out emotions that are lacking in films themselves... The Gerrard-esque vocals in Zimmer's scores are becoming cliche, plain and simple.
posted 11-16-2001 05:59 PM PT (US)

Hornerfan Oscar® Winner	Well, after seeing Entertainment Weekly's holiday movie preview...it seems as though this movie is getting some Oscar buzz. I don't know why, but it's there. Hell, Ridley Scott was the second director on the Best Director's list, after Michael Mann (ALI). Would be interesting to see how this all plays out. Mike
posted 11-16-2001 10:44 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Hasta: Yes, it's also used to bring out emotions that are lacking in films themselves... The Gerrard-esque vocals in Zimmer's scores are becoming cliche, plain and simple. I strongly disagree with that. Look at The Peacemaker, Gladiator, The Siege, The Fan, The Prince of Egypt... should I continue? Clayton
posted 11-17-2001 11:36 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Oscar® Winner	I strongly disagree with that. Look at The Peacemaker, Gladiator, The Siege, The Fan, The Prince of Egypt... should I continue? Clayton Clayton, The Siege is written by Graeme Revell and NOT Zimmer. Hans has ALWAYS had help from "assistants", etc. He remembers how he got his break working with Stanley Myers and has coninuted the favor. I just think the art of film scoring has gone downhill when you have composers like Elmer Bernstein, John Scott and John Barry, etc. who can ACTUALLY write the music BY THEMSELVES getting less and less work, while the sound-a-like committee scores of Media Ventures thrive. I'm not against "team-work", just tired of it all sounding so generic. James
posted 11-17-2001 11:42 AM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Clayton, your response just furthered my theory that they are becomming cliche; and if you were responding to to the "emotions that aren't there", where were the emotions in The Peacemaker and The Siege??? You need to have your posts make sense sometimes, bud... Be more specific.
posted 11-17-2001 04:46 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Bond1965: Clayton, The Siege is written by Graeme Revell and NOT Zimmer. I know that. I was just saying that the movie is emotional enough with out the vocals. Look at Titanic, was that emotional with out the vocals? And Hasta, if you couldn't see the emotions in The Siege, you'd have to be blind. And I also, I don't have to be more specific. Look at what my response was to your response. It clearly makes sense. Clayton
posted 11-18-2001 06:37 AM PT (US)

perfpitch Oscar® Winner	WHITE GOOSE DOWN
posted 11-18-2001 11:25 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	ScoreGuy, nevermind.
posted 11-19-2001 05:22 AM PT (US)

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