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Timmer Oscar® Winner	Saw the video for this in a shop yesterday for a mere £1...I just had to have it This film is one of the best unintentionally funny films ever, a brilliant cast and a rocking good score by Jerry Goldsmith. Can you think of any other great cast, great score, Bad movie.
posted 10-06-2001 03:48 AM PT (US)

mgh Oscar® Winner	Goldsmith seems to have done it quite often. Awful movie, great score. Among them are: 100 Rifles Take A Hard Ride Caboblanco Hollow Man
posted 10-06-2001 04:40 AM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	I just watched The Final Conflict last night.
posted 10-06-2001 07:27 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	SUPERGIRL comes to mind too... Well, lets face it: at least 50% of the movies Jerry scored are like this...
posted 10-06-2001 09:50 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	No, Supergirl is fun and a guilty pleasure. The Swarm is just bad.....I tried to love it,love the hell out of the score,even tried re-watching the 156min. film again, but I just can't do it....it's boring when it is not completely ridiculous. NP:Raggedy Man(Goldsmith)Hey! Is that Carol Anne's theme in the cue 'Runaways'?? Sean
posted 10-06-2001 11:59 AM PT (US)

Bill R. Myers Oscar® Winner	The Last Tycoon had a great cast and a good score by Jarre, but fell leadenly flat. It's got nothing on The Swarm though (I've heard that Inchon is even worse; I'll believe it when I see it.) NP: Total Recall (one of Goldsmith's better days)
posted 10-06-2001 01:25 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Yes, there are lots but that one ranks high. The scenes where they are throwing hands full of bees on people and people trying to look frightened made me laugh when I saw it at the theatre in 1978. Horrible film. Inchon is rotten too. Laurence Olivier just sleepwalks through his part in it. Flat poor. But there are l00s of these types of films. Haunting is another really stupid one when at the end the lady yells "You can go straight to hell." That made me laugh. It was very rotten to the core. Plumb stupid. Pure cheese and crummy script. Best, John.
posted 10-06-2001 04:00 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	And don't forget Widmark's line in the film "I'll go down in history as the first three star general to be creamed by bees." or something like that. John.
posted 10-06-2001 04:02 PM PT (US)

Bill R. Myers Oscar® Winner	My favorite thing about The Swarm is that it doesn't even attempt to resolve the already insipid Fred MacMurray-Olivia De Havilland-Ben Johnson romantic triangle. Just kill 'em all in a train wreck! The Edge (Goldsmith)
posted 10-06-2001 05:38 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Breakout is a pretty crummy movie. They even had the nerve to totally mess up the music in the film, too. "Hey, lets hire this expensive composer who knows how to do his stuff... and then lets f--k it up."
posted 10-06-2001 08:07 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Yeah, Bill, you reminded me of that too. Kill em off, quick. I remember that too. John.
posted 10-06-2001 09:02 PM PT (US)

CF8 Oscar® Winner	hey, what are you talking about?? THE SWARM is an A+ movie.. Oh...you´re not talking about comedies??
posted 10-07-2001 06:20 AM PT (US)

Eric Paddon Oscar® Winner	I don't regard "Supergirl" as a bad film. In fact I rate it higher than Superman III or IV when all is said and done. Helen Slater I think is the key to why the film still shines despite its flaws (it would have helped if Reeve had done a cameo as he was slated to do but backed out of due to his feud with the Salkinds). The Swarm though is mindnumbingly awful, whether in its original long 156 minute version or the shorter version. The chief problem there I think is the fact that after allowing competent directors like Ronald Neame and John Guillermin to handle the dialogue in Poseidon Adventure and Towering Inferno, Irwin Allen foolishly took over the director's chores himself and demonstrated that he had no competence whatsoever as a director.
posted 10-07-2001 01:14 PM PT (US)

Nicolai P. Zwar Oscar® Winner	Just to name a few examples: The Black Hole comes to mind as a movie with a lot of (star) potential that just broke apart completely in the second half and had some of the most hilarious scenes I have ever seen in such a big budget production. The Final Conflict-- Has there ever been a greater discrepancy between the quality of a movie and its film score? Mission To Mars Morricone's music was so superior in every way to De Palma's lifeless mess of recycled ideas, it stuck out like a Pavarotti sung Verdi aria in a Britney Spears concert would. The Lord of the Rings Rosenman's modernistic milestone score remains one of the all time great silver screen scores. The movie it was written for is almost all but forgotten. Exorcist II - The Heretic Morricone's eerily warped as well as deceivingly haunting feast of sounds was written for a movie that was merely warped.
posted 10-07-2001 02:04 PM PT (US)

Eric Paddon Oscar® Winner	"Final Conflict" is also mindnumbingly bad, not the least of which is the fact that it commits a major blunder in terms of story that the author of the novelization had to correct in a sequel novel (Damien dies after being stabbed only once with one dagger, but the previous films established you needed to use all seven) and also screws up its chronology by placing the events of Final Conflict in the 1980s, thus suggesting that the events of the Omen took place in the 1950s, which is ridiculous.
posted 10-07-2001 02:20 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Nicolai P. Zwar: The Lord of the Rings - Rosenman's modernistic milestone score remains one of the all time great silver screen scores. The movie it was written for is almost all but forgotten. This is a sad fact, too. While I can understand why fans of the books might have issues with the animated film, it's still fun to watch. And to reiterate your thoughts Nicolai, Rosenman's score is an excellent one... Jeron
posted 10-07-2001 02:21 PM PT (US)

Ken S Oscar® Winner	I can think of THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE as being Great Cast, Baaaad Score (one of Williams' absolute worst), but Quite Good Movie. I also happen to love SUPERGIRL. It certainly is better than SUPERMAN II, III or IV. John C, I hope you mean the remake of THE HAUNTING. In my opinion it is Baaad Cast, Quite Good Score, Horrible Movie. All that running and terrible holes in the script in the latter half of the movie really made me giggle, although the attempt must have been to make audience feel fright... Actually Universal's GHOST STORY could be a case of Great Cast, Great Score, Bad Movie (although it scared the wits out of me when I watched it the first time, home alone in the evening - I must have been 9-11 years old maximum - I had to stop wacthing it after the first half an hour... ). But today, compared to the original novel by Peter Straub, the movie is one of the most dreadful adaptations ever. But good cast and splendid score by Philippe Sarde.
posted 10-07-2001 02:49 PM PT (US)

Eric Paddon Oscar® Winner	No way is "Poseidon Adventure" a bad score. It's one of Williams' best. "Towering Inferno" is better but "Poseidon Adventure" is among my top ten favorite scores. The only inferior Williams disaster score is "Earthquake". (I also give high marks to "Midway").
posted 10-07-2001 04:18 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	NO WAAAYYYYYYY! Supergirl BETTER than Superman II...Ken, come on man, redeem yourself and tell me you jest...Supes II is absolutely corking entertainment, even the lacklustre of Supes III beats the sorry ass so called entertainment of Supergirl?! However, Supes IV is indeed sad ass movie of the highest order.(did they run out of money on this one?) Eric, forgot all about that, indeed, 7 daggers to kill Damien...what a bad continuity error!
posted 10-07-2001 05:16 PM PT (US)

Ken S Oscar® Winner	SUPERMAN, THE MOVIE was great in its overall style and had "class", but in SUPERMAN II the high class had suddenly vanished and it seemed to stumble in its own seriousness. I have to admit that SUPERGIRL may have been more a "girls' movie" - but hey, I also adored THELMA & LOUISE Watching THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE I just can't hear almost anything like a "score" except the Main Title & End Titles which... öörghllrh, although Williams does not do this purposely the theme sounds like badly performed and badly structured.
posted 10-08-2001 08:28 AM PT (US)

Nicolai P. Zwar Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: This is a sad fact, too. While I can understand why fans of the books might have issues with the animated film, it's still fun to watch Oh, yes, it had potential, too. Some scenes work very well, and Gollum was wonderfully realized. Some of the backdrop paintings were exellent, too. But I doubt that anyobdy who has not read the book even had a clue as to what was going on in the movie.
posted 10-08-2001 08:44 AM PT (US)

Eric Paddon Oscar® Winner	"Poseidon Adventure"'s score should be understood as to how well it underscores the film. The Main and End Titles are spectacular and I also love the haunting use of the main theme as Reverend Scott pleads one last time with the people before the sea crashes into the dining room.
posted 10-08-2001 09:49 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Nicolai P. Zwar: But I doubt that anyobdy who has not read the book even had a clue as to what was going on in the movie. But it made me read the books. And even though it has many many weaknesses, it still has a certain flair - it can't kill Tolkien's spirit. The score helps, of course. I'll pick up the DVD when it comes out in Europe.
posted 10-08-2001 12:05 PM PT (US)

juha Oscar® Winner	Great score, Bad movie (a few examples): Raise the Titanic Supergirl Omen Final Conflict King of Kings Lawnmower Man 2 The Mummy Judge Dredd Scarlet Letter Anna & The King (Fenton) Legends of The Fall Titanic Leviathan Air Force One Angela´s Ashes The Lost World Cutthroat Island Waterworld
posted 10-08-2001 01:29 PM PT (US)

Aaron Collins Oscar® Winner	Both these movies had great casts and failed miserably. Batman 2 - Bad movie with a wonderful score by Elfman. Batman 4 - Bad movie with another top notch score by Goldenthal. Also, I think Last of the Dogmen is a terrible movie! cchhh... Aaron NP: Mahler 5 - Barenboim
posted 10-08-2001 02:24 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Yes, of course its the recent Haunting film. Don't you remember the scene at the end where the lady is having the all-out battle against the "monster demon" or whatever it is and she yells "You can just go straight to hell?" I started laughing loud there. It was really crummy. John.
posted 10-08-2001 04:00 PM PT (US)

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