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Topic: So...How Was The "ENTERPRISE" Debut?

Chris Kinsinger

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I missed it, and I'd like to read your reviews of the new "Enterprise" 2-hour opener. How did it stack up against the other "Treks"?
posted 09-26-2001 06:59 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Chris,In my opnion, you didn't miss anything.
I'm not going to say anything spoiler-ish, in case others haven't seen it yet.
My impression of the show is:
Another Berman/Braga load of crap.
The opening theme sucked, Dennis McCarthy can't score his way out of a box, and there was nothing in the show that put me "on the edge of my seat."
I was more jazzed last night seeing the new "Lord of the Rings" trailer and all the commercials tonight for next week's "Buffy."
Sorry, but the premiere gets a big thumbs down for me. And since this is the same way I felt after the first "Voyager" episode, I don't think the series is going to be any good.
Sorry to all those of you who liked it. I guess my standards are higher.
I knew B&B would f*ck it up. And this from a fan since the 1960's.
Kevin
posted 09-26-2001 07:17 PM PT (US) 
Racerprose

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That's sad, Kevin.Remember, B&B did not dissapoint you, you are dissapointing yourself.
You have seen, but one episode from the new series and yet you already pass judgement.
I agree, the title theme sucked, but still that does not mean the show as a whole sucks.
Give it a chance.
-Joe
posted 09-26-2001 07:21 PM PT (US) 
Erik Woods

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You missed the best part of the show...Vulcan nipples... pointy, like their ears... cool!!!Erik
[Message edited by Erik Woods on 09-26-2001]
posted 09-26-2001 07:28 PM PT (US) 
James

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Aside from the scene Erik has alluded to, and the theme song, I liked it a lot. It certainly wasn't "one of the best Trek episodes ever" like I've read elsewhere, but it was still a very good opener and definitely makes me want to continue watching.Interestingly, the only two characters they went to any special length to develop were Capt. Archer and T'Pau (sp?). They focused a lot more on the story than the characters, so I hope they achieve more of a balance later on. But it would be difficult (and boring) to try and delve deep into the psyches of every major crew member all in the first episode, so I can easily hope for more.
The episode boosted my hopes for the rest of the series, and I am now looking forward to future episodes more than I was looking forward to the pilot (which I was already pretty excited about).
James
posted 09-26-2001 07:48 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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TNG's first episode isn't exactly the best of that series, either. Can't speak for DS9, since I still haven't seen the complete pilot for that one, but I don't think a Trek pilot is necessarily a good indication that the rest of the series will suck (I think the Voyager pilot was better than that for TNG...)I wonder how many months it will take until we get to see it here on Austrian/German TV.
NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #9 (Münchner Philharmoniker, Sergiu Celibidache)
posted 09-26-2001 07:57 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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Pilot episodes are almost never "great." This one is better-than-average, I'd say.I thought it was interesting. I wasn't jumping up and down for joy, but neither was I sick to my stomach. It was definitely more cinematic in its approach than any previous Trek series. It remains to be seen what they'll make of it.
Actually, the things I liked, I liked because they WEREN'T like previous series. The standard "we're in a nebula, our shields are hit, we've got to hold out and save the Cap'n" stuff bores me to no end. I enjoyed myself more when I was able to forget I was supposed to be watching Star Trek. I guess that's why they just stopped at calling it "Enterprise."
In short, I wasn't excited but I was intrigued. The characters have promise. The world of the show is ripe with potential. They have a chance to do something unique. We'll see just how boldly they end up going.
(BTW, the nipple-shots were 100% gratuitous. It was obvious that scene was only written to kick up the "sexy" factor. It was pretty contrived, and reminded me I was watching a marketing machine at work.)
The music was okay, but nothing I'd buy on CD. Not notably thematic. The theme-song visual montage was okay (we'll see how fast it gets old) but the song just didn't jive with me.
posted 09-26-2001 09:11 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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I didn't see Enterprise but I've seen very few premier episodes from any series that were 90-100% on the mark. I remember how bad I thought the first episode of Babylon 5 was and that show went on to leave a very nice impression on me.I think everyone is still skeptical because 1) it's post-Roddenberry Star Trek and 2) it's Rick Berman Star Trek. I must admit that the milquetoast wonderboy has done more to damage my enthusiasm for any new Star Trek than any one force in the universe.
I hope the show quickly settles into its stride but all the comments about the music make me believe that, despite all his noises to the contrary, Berman's sorry understanding of dramatic filmscoring will never change or improve.
posted 09-26-2001 09:32 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I for one really enjoyed the show. As a loyal and dedicated fan of all the previous series, I wasn't too keen on *this* concept when I heard it being rumored... but after a shift in mindset, the prospect of something new and different began to seem more and more appealing. I'm extremely pleased with the outcome of the premiere, and think it's going in a great direction. The title montage + song didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. In fact, I found myself actually enjoying it. As far as the episode goes, it was enough to get me riled up for an exciting season. I thought Bakula was perfect as Captain Archer. Blalock as T'Pol was entertaining - she did a surprisingly good job. Everyone else seems interesting enough... especially the doctor. The James Cromwell cameo was neat! Special effects were tops, aspect ratio was great. McCarthy's score had some cool moments, though on the whole it didn't go in any new direction. Wedge hit the nail on the head w/ the comment regarding the "world of the show." It's definitely ripe w/ potential - and perhaps that's why the whole thing appeals to me. It's all new - we haven't seen any of this before... no familiar Okudagrams, no shields, no familiar weapons, no tractor beams, universal translators are still buggy... it's fun seeing these guys pull it off w/o all the technology we've grown accustomed to.Here's to a great season for the new crew! Let's hope they have some fun things in store for us.
Jeron
PS- Who else wants to know WHO the guy was that was instructing the Suliban?
PS2- Who else thought Trip's one-liners were great?? The Klingon is yelling klingon-gibberish at the "bad guys" (Suliban) and Trip's quick wit manages a humorous "Yeah, you tell 'em big guy!" LOL. Priceless.
[Message edited by Jeron on 09-27-2001]
posted 09-27-2001 12:56 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Wedge:
I guess that's why they just stopped at calling it "Enterprise."Funny enough, the first two series susbstituted "Star Trek" for "Raumschiff Enterprise" (Starship Enterprise) in the German translations.
posted 09-27-2001 06:55 AM PT (US) 
Wedge

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
PS- Who else wants to know WHO the guy was that was instructing the Suliban?Um ... me?
Let's hope they play their cards right. They have the potential to make a good recurring villain out of the Suliban commander as well. The confrontation in the time-chamber was nicely done.The "man in the shadows" concept automatically adds a nice air of mystery and mythology a la X-Files. But the best villains are always at ideological odds:
(TOS) Kirk and Khan (Both supermen in a fashion: one serves and self-sacrifices, the other rules and demands sacrifice. Their many similarities are contrasted with their ideological opposites.)
(TNG) Picard and Q (An ongoing dialectic about the nature and promise of humankind. Their interaction provides a compelling forum for intellectual adventure.)
(DS9) Sisko and Dukat (probably my favorite hero/villain relationship in Trek. They're both leaders. Sisko leads by humility whereas Dukat is consumed by pride and false-humility. His descent into insanity parallels Sisko's search for personal truth. The episode "Waltz" was a masterpiece. Dukat cannot give up his ideological faults; he turns to Sisko, a secret source of intellectual envy and jealousy, for psychological validation, and turns on him with a vengeance when he does not receive it.)
(VGR) Janeway and the Borg Queen. (This was the most inane hero/villain relationship, reduced to the level of "Humans good. Borg bad. Individuality good. Collective bad." It was never compelling.)
Enterprise needs to look back at what worked and what didn't work and develop the villains from there.
quote:
PS2- Who else thought Trip's one-liners were great??"I don't particularly like the way you smell either."

I thought the character was decent, if a rather obvious attempt to clone McCoy. Hopefully, there's more to his character than being a character.
posted 09-27-2001 07:26 AM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

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I'll weigh-in here with a positive reaction.The weakest part was the music. I did not like the theme and kept wanting to hear some music that somewhat conveyed the emotions of what was happening on the screen.
The second weakest part was the insertion of the sensuality -- especially since it centered primarily on the Vulcan. I've never thought of the Vulcans as being a sensual people, so the scene where she's rubbing some gel all over her body (including an on-screen shot of her going under her tank top) struck me as extremely gratuitous. It seems rather obvious that the Star Trek of Berman's mind is filled with females with breast implants -- even Vulcans. This all stems from how Jeri Ryan resurrected Voyager causing a huge influx of pimply faced adolecent boys to tune in.
Hmmm, this is beginnnig to sound like I didn't like the show, but I did. I'm usually doing something else, like working on my hobby, while watching (listening to) the TV, but I put everything down and watched this all the way through.
I like Archer, his engineering officer (who sounds an awfull lot like Tommy Lee Jones -- did he play a young Jones in "Space Cowboys?") and the doctor.
SPOILER ALERT: <<The mysterious guy from the future sounds a lot like Mark Lennard (sp?) and, from the silhouette looks like he's either a Vulcan or Romulan.>>
I hope they continue to show it in the HDTV aspect with the black bars atop and below the picture -- giving it a movie-kind of appearance.
Very good special effects, good action sequences (two-fisted ray-gun shooting!) and an intriguing story-line.
[Message edited by Marc Flake on 09-27-2001]
posted 09-27-2001 08:18 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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I thought the show is off to a promising start...simply on the grounds that universe around the crew and ship is so radically different than the previous shows. I enjoyed the pilot far more than any Deep Space Nine episodes I saw (I will admit that I missed most the last and best few seasons) and far and away better than Voyager.The character interactions were far more interesting and the darker, grim atmosphere agrees with me more. Sure, the rub down scene was silly, but oh well...
As for the title song...never judge a book by its cover and never handicap a show by its theme song.
Here's to a great season...Wednesdays at 8pm...I'm booked!
posted 09-27-2001 08:23 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Marc Flake:
SPOILER ALERT: <<The mysterious guy from the future sounds a lot like Mark Lennard (sp?) and, from the silhouette looks like he's either a Vulcan or Romulan.>>When I first saw the guy, I thought *gee, that looks like a Vulcan.* But perhaps he's a Romulan... that would make more sense. I'm interested in seeing if they follow up with that plot device. It's a good one.
posted 09-27-2001 01:17 PM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

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Jeron:As I understand it, he is the series' arch-villian, much like Q (TNG), that Cardassian guy(DS9) and the Borg Queen (V) in the other Berman-Treks.
There is some speculation on other message boards that he may be the Vulcan who was so adamantly opposed to the deep space mission.
We'll know sooner or later (probably sooner), but in the meantime, specualtion is fun!
[Message edited by Marc Flake on 09-28-2001]
posted 09-28-2001 06:44 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Marc Flake:
There is some speculation on other message boards that he may be the Vulcan who was so adamantly opposed to the deep space mission.Yeah... His voice did sound like S'Vol's!
posted 09-28-2001 08:53 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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That what I thought initially also...but I thought they were receiving directives from the distant future? If that's the case, it sounds like a classic, covert ploy of the Romulans to upset the balance.
posted 09-28-2001 03:55 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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I'm betting it's nothing so simple as a Romulan plot. For my money, the guy is a species we haven't heard of yet.
posted 09-28-2001 04:55 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
