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Topic: SHOULD Somebody Compose an Eulogy for 9-11-2001 ?

Ken S

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First of all, my attempt is not to offend anybody with this topic.The conversation at FSM Boards initiated this thought. Truthfully, even I consider it quite a revolting idea that someone would be commissioned to compose a piece of music for the victims and heroes of 9-11-2001 - and besides, Jerry Goldsmith has already done it. Yet, the John Williams fans out there are seriously trying to get him to compose a piece for the tragedy (- in my opinion, Williams has composed ENOUGH of these kind of "eulogies").
So, what would be YOUR choice ? WHOM would you like to see composing a piece for 9-11-2001, OR should some things just be left untouched, uncomposed that is ?
My vote would be Alan Silvestri
(- but once, again, I'm not seriously commissioning anybody to do this; I'm really not on a crusade here to hurt anyone's feelings).Warm Regards,
KENposted 09-17-2001 11:36 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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Hey is it wierd that this all happened on the date 911? :-).
Anyway If you want good music to go with it, and I have no idea why you would.
Listen to Eldgy and From the Beach Silently Weeping from Onthe Beach.
posted 09-17-2001 11:45 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I honestly think it's too soon to be composing anything. So much could happen between now and next year (or very little could happen). Are we going to have a eulogy for every event that occurs between now and then? Let's not jump the gun...Jeron
posted 09-17-2001 01:04 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
Are we going to have a eulogy for every event that occurs between now and then? Let's not jump the gun...We should have a eulogy for the 600-points that the Dow lost today.
And a eulogy for the 60MB my hard drive lost when I downloaded the (very cool) demo of "Return to Castle Wolfenstein".
etc. etc.

Dan
posted 09-17-2001 01:09 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by dgoldwas:
And a eulogy for the 60MB my hard drive lost when I downloaded the (very cool) demo of "Return to Castle Wolfenstein".My cousin urged me to download is earlier this morning... perhaps I should. Cue up another eulogy.
On a more serious note, we really shouldn't be kidding around about eulogies like this. It makes light of something that certainly shouldn't be made light of. On topic: I think that only after everything has been said and done, should an in-memorium piece be composed. Like I said, a lot can happen between now and then... the significance of the piece might grow (God forbid), depending...
Jeron
[Message edited by Jeron on 09-17-2001]
posted 09-17-2001 01:52 PM PT (US) 
Ken S

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Good points (and jokes), guys!
Keep 'em coming.
posted 09-17-2001 02:21 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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Look, this was a mad crazy incident. If writing a eulogy will help heal the wounds, then (IMHO), by all means do so. There is no rule for the time to write something to remember the people who perished here. If something else happens, well that can be eulogized as well. After all, we don't wait for a whole bunch of people to die until we honor them.I don't think there is anything offensive by considering this now. This event was terrible, it was huge, it was simply unbelievable. Yes, let's honor those who lost their lives with a eulogy, ain't nothing wrong with that.
Scottposted 09-17-2001 02:24 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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quote:
Originally posted by dgoldwas:
And a eulogy for the 60MB my hard drive lost when I downloaded the (very cool) demo of "Return to Castle Wolfenstein".Oh yeah, I'm off to download this one!
Ah, to think back to the good ole days of Wolf 3d!
I almost forgot... Jerry Goldsmith
posted 09-17-2001 02:55 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by jonathan_little:
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posted 09-17-2001 03:07 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Playing "Doom-style" games with a joystick?? Ouch.NP: Dmitri Shostakovich: Symphony #8 (Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink)
posted 09-17-2001 04:44 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
Playing "Doom-style" games with a joystick?? Ouch.It's not as bad as you would think; Wolfenstein 3D was really a "flat" game. You couldn't look up or down, and there were no stairs.
So you would just push forward, turn left or right, or move backwards.
Firing all the while.

Dan
[Message edited by dgoldwas on 09-17-2001]
posted 09-17-2001 04:48 PM PT (US) 
Ken S

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Okay, guys - let's get back to topic !
(Why does this always happen in my topics ?)
posted 09-17-2001 05:39 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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I don't have a problem if a composer feels inspired to compose something because of this tragedy. What I do have a problem with is the nauseating spectacle "SkyMaker" and other Williams fawners are making of themselves by trying to in effect try to bring pressure to get a Williams composition for the sole purpose of "hey, let's find a way to add a Williams piece to our collections!" What's even more weird about him is how he was more interested in expressing his relief that Williams was not a casualty of the disaster then anything else.Let's let the composers decide if they think they should and not get into a tizzy over who composes and who doesn't.
posted 09-17-2001 05:46 PM PT (US) 
Spicy Ramen

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quote:
Originally posted by dgoldwas:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Jeron:
[b]Are we going to have a eulogy for every event that occurs between now and then? Let's not jump the gun...<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>We should have a eulogy for the 600-points that the Dow lost today.
And a eulogy for the 60MB my hard drive lost when I downloaded the (very cool) demo of "Return to Castle Wolfenstein".
etc. etc.

Dan
[/B]
You have my condolences.

posted 09-17-2001 07:07 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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There is no doubt in my mind that there are going to be SEVERAL compositions, ranging from opera to symphony to requiem mass, in order to commemorate this attack.Last I heard, 62 countries lost people in the attack.
I would not be at all surprised if John Williams eventually got commissioned to compose something, or John Adams, John Corigliano, or John Tavener. (weird, all the Johns in that group)
Given Elliot Goldenthal's Fire, Water, Paper oratorio, he's a prime candidate because he IS a New Yorker. That oratorio is a stunning tear jerker.
Just my thoughts.
posted 09-17-2001 10:30 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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pardon me.
not "commemorate the attack," but memorialize the lost.posted 09-17-2001 10:31 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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I actually had Wolf 3d installed on my system, until I removed the hard drive it was on last month.
I need a new video card. This Matrox G200 just doesn't cut it for new games. RAM is pretty cheap, too.
posted 09-18-2001 08:41 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by jonathan_little:
I need a new video card. This Matrox G200 just doesn't cut it for new games. RAM is pretty cheap, too.Then you want the Matrox Millenium G550.
Mmm mmmm mmmm!
http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_g550/home.cfmDan
posted 09-18-2001 08:47 AM PT (US) 
Aaron R. Brown

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Goldsmith composed a piece for the victims of the Airplane Attacks based on some elements from his score for the Last Castle. I understand they were performed at the Hollywood Bowl. Has anyone heard it?[Message edited by Aaron R. Brown on 09-19-2001]
posted 09-19-2001 05:07 PM PT (US) 
edgen

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here's my tribute/piece to the attack...'cept I was commissioned to do it. If you look hard enough, there are a ton of songs out there dedicated to this event.
"Under Siege - Grounded" http://www.mp3.com/edgen
-justin
posted 09-19-2001 05:32 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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I too downloaded the Return to Castle Wolfenstein demo, but found it fairly disappointing. The graphics were amazing as I expected from the Quake 3 engine, but I didn't like the team only WWII style gameplay (which is virtually identicle to the Half-Life mod Day of Defeat, something that handles it much better). I wanted a deathmatch mode instead
posted 09-19-2001 05:49 PM PT (US) 
Richard

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On Thursday, as I couldn't get away from the News incase something "new" happened, I wrote an Adagio for String Orchestra based around the emotion of the event, the way it made me personally feel. I finished it on Monday.
I've got it in MIDI, so feel free to email me if you would like to hear.
Some of the chords to me sound more like something from The Afternoon of a Faun by Debussy, so I'm not sure if they're really in the right context. Anyway, I plan to revise it before the end of the year, perhaps with more of a 'structure'.
When I first heard though, writing a piece based upon it was what I wanted to do immediately.NP: Symphony No.5, Shostakovich
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