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Topic: PLEASE PRAY!!!
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Vladimir
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I have been watching this act of terrorism all morning and around 10 it hit close to where i live in Mercer County PA about an hour or 2 from where i live a hijacked plane went down.Please Pray for these people who have lost there lives and also all of the fireman police and medical personal.Also Pray for peace that this may stop soon! I am 19yrs old and i have never felt this sick in my life. Please take my advice and PRAY for Peace in America!!Thanks Matt
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posted 09-11-2001 08:52 AM PT (US) ip
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John Zimmer
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Right on Matt everybody has my prayers.Jz
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posted 09-11-2001 09:15 AM PT (US) ip
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Scott
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The best thing we can do in this country beyond the cries of anger, hurt and despair is finally and completly turn to God as a nation.
God bless and help us all.
Scott
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posted 09-11-2001 09:21 AM PT (US) ip
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Dr. Zaius
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scott this is no time to be pushing your religious views on people at least have the decency to wait a day
or two american society is based on a seperation of church and state not everyone believes in god and not everyone has to turn to god both believers and non-believers were killed respect the views of the non-believers who were also killed and injured and their families as well [Message edited by Dr. Zaius on 09-11-2001]
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posted 09-11-2001 10:40 AM PT (US) ip
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Hornerfan
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:
scott this is no time to be pushing your religious views on people at least have the decency to wait a day
or two american society is based on a seperation of church and state
This is a day of great sadness, and all you can do is critize what someone has said? Are you heartless? May you burn and rot in hell for your attitude about this. You, sir, are a pathetic twerp. Go away. Now. Mike
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posted 09-11-2001 10:44 AM PT (US) ip
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PeterK
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Zaius, you say both non-believers and believers have been killed, so why are you putting down those believers? I have a relative who works in the WTC. I am not only praying for him and his family, but everyone in the entire country. Enjoy your exile. You are offensive.
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posted 09-11-2001 10:57 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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As tactless as it may sound, I'm afraid Zaius has a point. I, for example, am not a religious person. Everyone who was harmed in todays attacks has my condolences, yet I will obviously not pray for anyone. Scott's comment "completly turn to God as a nation", though certainly not meant in an ill way, sounds like my being not religious makes me a bad person.Anyway, my condolences to everyone who was harmed today.
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posted 09-11-2001 11:02 AM PT (US) ip
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Scott
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In an hour like this, I will not get into a debate that serves no purpose. I shall try to clearify my earlier statement here,however. For those who felt offended by my remark, I apologize, however I take nothing back. Whether a true seperation of church and state exist and if it was really ment that way in the constitution of the United States of America, is debatable. Yet it really doesn't matter. Thousands of people, of any race, gender, religious believs, sexual orientation, and age have lost their lives today. In the twinkling of an eye they have been snuffed out. As a believer I turn to my God for help, for protection, for condulances, for love. This is who I am. This is what I do. My prayers are never limited to only believers. I have never shoved my views unto anyone on this board and i never will. Everyone here is dear to me, no matter where we stand on the matters of faith. I have no problem with an unbeliever posting saying that we need to stand together as a nation, as a civilized country and help each other out. I have no problem with anyone in the name of their faith or religion posting to please pray to Buddha or any of the Hindi gods. How anyone can post and attack a simple statement of help, and support in this tragedy is simply beyond my ability of understanding. Has it really come so far that we cannot simply look beyond our deepest most treasures believes (for everyone has these, whether in God or in mankind), and stand together as a people, as part of the human race and just aid each other in this time of crisis? Is my statement on this board really so terrible and offensive to those who do not believe that even overshadows the events that have just accured? Doesn't it seem trivial to those who have lost dear ones in this derliberate, manmade disaster, - to all of us- to be bickering about what we believe and what we don't believe? For 7 days now I have been in an emotional rollercoaster and condition that has evoked images of relocation, sadness, dispair and so much more I am not willing to share in public, these event magnify my present state. I doubt that any victim, any relative, friend or accquatance of the victims, will seriously find offense in what I posted...but then again I have been wrong. PeterK, I know Dr. Zaius has been banned. I respectfully request you re-instate him. For my faith is deep, my faith is secure, I have not been offended. I stand behind what I said. For even if one doesn't believe, we as a nation need all the help in the world, no matter where that help comes from.
Scott
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posted 09-11-2001 11:47 AM PT (US) ip
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Eric Paddon
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I believe that for anyone to exploit a person's heartfelt remark about the need to turn to prayer and God's mercy at a time such as this, which is what so many of us feel, as an occasion to claim that the non-believers are being disrespected, ranks as one of the most odious and despicable things I have ever seen in my life. If a person like Thade can not respect those types of sentiments expressed by believers then I think that speaks volumes as to how hollow his desire for tolerance really is. Those who do not believe are free to exercise their right not to pray, but kindly refrain from mocking those of us who do feel so compelled to express those feelings during this time of national tragedy and sorrow. And I say that as someone who for an hour was convinced that a relative of mine who worked on the 82nd floor of the North Tower was dead.
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posted 09-11-2001 12:17 PM PT (US) ip
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Lancelot
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Please do not pursue this as a debate--this is not the time for conflict amongst ourselves.
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posted 09-11-2001 12:22 PM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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I think Mr. Thade overreacts very much in many of his posts. In this case though, and this is what I tried to say above, I don't think he had anything against religious people praying, as I don't have, either. It's just that in situations like this, people often say things that, probably without any intention, make non-believers look like the "bad people". Thade could have said it differently (I have no problem at all with Scott's feelings, I just wanted to clear this up myself in my post above), but I also think that this time, his post has been interpreted incorrectly.NP: Saving Private Ryan (John Williams) - Since the TV now seems to have started to repeat all the known facts over and over again
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posted 09-11-2001 12:23 PM PT (US) ip
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Eric Paddon
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Marian, I respect your beliefs and I do not believe that anyone should hold the view that those not of faith are less good as people in terms of their ability to express their feelings about this tragedy. But where Thade crosses a line IMO is his demand that those people of faith should not say anything for two days because of the "separation of church and state." First off the separation of church and state refers to the fact that we don't have a state church in this country like the Church of England. What it does not mean is that people of faith must keep their feelings in the closet at all times until the dictates of the non-believers say it's okay for us to express our genuine feelings of how we are dealing with this tragedy. If we are to be a "tolerant" society, then those like Thade have to respect the rights of people to express their feelings stemming from their faith without feeling that their rights are somehow being trampled on. And on that matter, Thade shamefully demonstrated that he has no such respect for people of faith to react as they see fit during this crisis.
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posted 09-11-2001 12:29 PM PT (US) ip
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Graham Watt
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My heartfelt thoughts are with all who have been affected directly or indirectly by the terrible tragedy.
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posted 09-11-2001 12:38 PM PT (US) ip
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jonathan_little
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My prayers are out for the poor victims in the hijacked aircraft and the doomed buildings. Today has been a massive tragedy. Dr. Zaius: You just don't have a clue.
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posted 09-11-2001 12:51 PM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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Today, Americans live in fear. We call this the land of the free. How easily
these words slip off our tongues. The despicable and cowardly events of this
day serve as a powerful reminder of a universal truth: freedom is not given,
it is not won and it is not taken; it is bought. It is paid for in innocent
blood. Remember with prayer and humility.
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posted 09-11-2001 01:00 PM PT (US) ip
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Taylor
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I would say I am a non-practicing secular human being (aka a conflicted believer/non-believer). I have no problem with Scott's post as it is meant to reflect our SOCIETY'S belief and not that of the government. Seperation of Church and State does not mean Scott can't state his view and compassion for others.My deepest sympathy goes out to all who were affected by this terrible tragedy. And to the Palestinians who feel the need to "CELEBRATE" this terrible tragedy, you people are despicable and should wake up to the truths in this sad world we live in. 
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posted 09-11-2001 01:18 PM PT (US) ip
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PeterK
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Taylor, these are only kids in the streets celebrating in Palestine. Reports are in that most Palestinian adults are not behaving this way. The world must stop to understand this is not a war between countries. The perpetrators are a very small band of very effective terrorists, and all countries interested in putting a stop to this will line up behind our great country and support any plan of action to punish these terrorists.Scott, Zaius is not banned. He is simply not welcome to post in this short term. In our emails, he's indicated to me he is praying for everyone as well, and does believe in God, too, which makes me wonder why the hell he'd ever take a situation like this and play the devil's advocate. Further, he's presented himself as a completely different individual. His grammar and punctuation are perfect, his compassion exists. Perhaps we're all being taken for a ride, perhaps not. As it is, now is not the time for it. [Message edited by PeterK on 09-11-2001]
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posted 09-11-2001 02:10 PM PT (US) ip
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scoreguy16
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We are all humans. We are fat, we are skinny, we are white, green, orange, black, purple, Chinese, American, Asian, Japanese, Korien. We are all humans. I don't give a **** what you look like, nor do I about the way you act, think or anything! We are all equal no matter how you cut it! We need to accept eachother for who we are! We need to stick together! We're a world! We own it! Why should we destroy it by senseless acts of terrorism? Is it impossible to accept eachother for who we are? YES! But do we ussually try? NO! Instead we prejudge everyone no matter how you cut it! We are all humans. We cannot fight anymore. If most of the world doesn't get along, who's to decide who owns what? If we put ourselfs above someone else, what's the point of living? We're all ungreatful for what we have. We've corupted society, and we're the society. God have mercy on us all...
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posted 09-11-2001 03:26 PM PT (US) ip
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John Zimmer
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Come on now guys America is under attack and you guys are squabbling about whether we should talk about religion. Whether or not we should I for one am praying with ALL of my heart, for those people who have perished. I, and hopefully all of you, are thanking God for not having a loved one or yourselves in one of the four buildings. My sincere greivences for any one who acttually did have someone that they loved in the building. Sorry if I bored you.Np: NBC Nightly news (Tom Brokaw) Jz
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posted 09-11-2001 04:16 PM PT (US) ip
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BMUSTANG
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I totally agree with you John!! You know the saying "United we stand, divided we fall"? I say "United we stand, divided we stay together" I know that does not make much sense. It is weird how today I have only cried one tear, I am just really angry right now!!
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posted 09-11-2001 04:31 PM PT (US) ip
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