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    Topic:   recycling scores

     LemonsAreIcky
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    Have any of ever sat down and started watching a movie and decided that a score from a different move would much better fit the picture? I know it sounds stupid, but I was watching Armegeddon the other day, and thought that the music from Independence Day would fit much better in some places than the movies original score. Has that ever happened to anyone?

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    posted 09-09-2001 10:08 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    Well....to see any movie with a different score would be interesting.

    However I was just thinking recently that the Star Wars (main title) theme should have been for Jurassic Park, and the JP (Welcome to JP) theme should be in a Star Wars movie.

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    posted 09-09-2001 10:13 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Yeah Tim, great idea... kinda like how the theme from Rudy would have worked well for......... Gremlins 2 (and vice versa, of course).

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    posted 09-09-2001 10:16 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    or The Cider House Rules...


    NP -- Tombstone, Broughton

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    posted 09-09-2001 10:17 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Interesting concept.

    While I haven't gone as far as you LemonsAreIcky, I have seen many movies where I wish they had exchanged composers. For example, the X-Men. The score was a huge dissapointment for me, and this coming from Kamen who I really like most of the time. I just don't know what he was thinking or who's orders he was following....but the film would have been more enjoyable, (IMHO), with the type of score Jerry Goldsmith would supply or John Williams for that matter or even Danny Elfman. But, what do I know.


    Scott

    NP: Home Alone (Scream)

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    posted 09-09-2001 11:06 PM PT (US)     

     dgoldwas
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    Isn't this basically what temp-scores are?

    Dan

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    posted 09-09-2001 11:25 PM PT (US)     

     Dr. Zaius
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    braveheart with anyone else please

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    posted 09-09-2001 11:56 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Hmmm I thought Horner's score for Braveheart fit the film like a glove.

    NP: Michael Collins (Goldenthal)

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    posted 09-10-2001 12:06 AM PT (US)     

     James
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    LEGEND would be a much better movie with the score from LEGEND.

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    posted 09-10-2001 11:30 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    quote:
    Originally posted by TimT:
    Well....to see any movie with a different score would be interesting.

    However I was just thinking recently that the Star Wars (main title) theme should have been for Jurassic Park, and the JP (Welcome to JP) theme should be in a Star Wars movie.



    Actually I screwed up, I ment the "Journey to Jurassic Park" theme. I noticed it when I was listening to Jurassic Park 3.

    It reminds me of a Space action/adventure film.

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    posted 09-12-2001 07:52 AM PT (US)     

     Ken S
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    Actually, I have even gone further than LemonsAreIcky - just for a hobby (to keep me "going") I have written dozens of screenplays by originally compiling "Fantasy Soundtracks" to them. I tend to experience all film music very visually, so it's not a surprise that film music gives me very powerful screen images with the tempo for editing and even the camera perspectives... (These screenplays have been written INTO the music in such way, that the music won't be edited in the final movie - thus appreciating the work of the composer).

    Now when I finally got Williams' "A.I.", I realized that my version of Grimm's SNOW WHITE would be 100% perfect when couple of cues of "A.I." would be included into this "Fantasy Soundtrack" which contains Williams' music for HOOK, E.T., SABRINA, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and JURASSIC PARK. -Yes, I know it SEEMS ridiculous, but REALLY, my selections from these scores really make a perfect soundtrack, with theme-developments for Snow White, the Prince, the Queen, the Magic Mirror, and even for the Dwarfs. And, yes - my concept of the famous fairytale is VERY different from all usual variations of the story - mine includes a bigger part for the Prince, then ANOTHER prince, and a very diabolical sub-plot... And all this because Williams has written so marvelous music, themes that really tell their OWN stories.

    My "Fantasy Soundtracks" (I compiled these around 1992-1998) include, among others:

    H.P. Lovecraft's THING ON THE DOORSTEP (Music by Patrick Doyle; from FRANKENSTEIN, EXIT TO EDEN, DEAD AGAIN & A LITTLE PRINCESS). Someday I'm really going to make a movie out of this one - it's an extremely exciting and poignant!!

    THE LEGEND OF THE SLEEPING BEAUTY (Music by Jerry Goldsmith; from LEGEND and LIONHEART). Again - not the ORDINARY story; much more "adult" perspective to it.

    THE REAL FRENCH LOVE TRIANGLE, PART 2: BEAUTY AND THE BEASTS (Score by Jonathan Sheffer & Jerry Goldsmith; from OMEN IV: THE AWAKENING, THE SECRET OF NIMH, THE OMEN, SUPERGIRL and BASIC INSTINCT). This is actually a Trilogy of a hilarious Musicals concocted by Cinderella, The Phantom of the Opera, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Beauty and the Beast, Supergirl, Rapunzel, Sweeney Todd, Titanic, a giant squid, Dickens' Ebenezer, and dozens of cameos from famous fairytales. (There are Song and Score Fantasy Soundtracks to the Trilogy and manymany composers and lyricists - and yet, together they all are making sense).

    H.P. Lovecraft's THE TEMPLE (Music by Alan Silvestri & Jerry Goldsmith; from JUDGE DREDD, THE ABYSS, FOREVER YOUNG & LEVIATHAN). This is actually a mix of two Lovecraft originals, so the Silvestri-Goldsmith mix makes perfect sense.

    Bram Stoker's DRACULA (as a STAGE-PRODUCTION!) (Music by John Williams; extra-music by Roy Budd; all music performed by The London Symphony Orchestra; from DRACULA, THE FURY, THE PLANET OF DREAMS and THE WILD GEESE). I really see this one as a stage production, and I really want to direct it someday !!

    These are just some of them - I have been very ambitious in compiling them, but yes, only as a hobby (and only for myself) although it has been extremely fun... In my opinion, I REALLY have "recycled" film music in this case.

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    posted 09-15-2001 06:18 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Scott:
    Interesting concept.

    While I haven't gone as far as you LemonsAreIcky, I have seen many movies where I wish they had exchanged composers. For example, the X-Men. The score was a huge dissapointment for me, and this coming from Kamen who I really like most of the time. I just don't know what he was thinking or who's orders he was following....but the film would have been more enjoyable, (IMHO), with the type of score Jerry Goldsmith would supply or John Williams for that matter or even Danny Elfman. But, what do I know.

    Scott

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    [Message edited by Scott on 09-09-2001]


    What do you know? Probably more than I do.
    In any case, I disagree with you on X-Men.
    It's one of the rare Kamen scores that I truly liked.
    I thought it fit perfectly with the movie. It gave it a dark, un-openly-thematic mood. Every time I see excerpts of the movie, I'm amazed by how the score fits the movie.
    I find Kamen's score to be much more coherent and fluid than many of his other compositions.
    Having seen that movie with his score, I can't really imagine it with different music, whether it was composed by Kamen or someone else.

    To return more or less to the original question, there is the case of Nosferatu. Movie from the 1920's, it had an original score by Hans Erdmann. Subsequently, various editions of the movie have featured different scores, even a recent one by James Bernard.

    There's also Metropolis. Which was given various scores.

    Obviously, the Universal people did not like the Goldsmith score for Legend, so they replaced it in the American release with one by Tangerine Dream, even though the original is available on the International release.

    Those are of course other people making musical decisions, not I.
    I rarely consider whether a particular composer's music would have fit better, or whether a given score would have been better than the one written for the movie.
    Though there have been many cases where I would have prefered the music written for the movie to have a different mood than the one it had.
    Or to simply not be there at all. There's a tendency to over score movies. The music then becomes intrusive and annoying.

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    posted 09-16-2001 08:08 AM PT (US)     

     Spicy Ramen
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    The American President by Mark Shaiman would have worked in Saving Private Ryan. I remember hearing it in the trailer and I thought "Wow this stuff is great." It was only later that I realized that this was not music from the movie but from another movie, The American President. Next thing you know, I went to the cd store and picked it up.

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    posted 09-16-2001 09:00 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Wistiti,

    I doubt I know more than you or anyone on this board, and I don't really disagree with you either. As far as tempo and style is concerned, sure Kamen's score fit the movie like a glove. I just think it should have been more melodic, more thematic, more heroic. But that is me...

    Scott

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    posted 09-16-2001 10:43 AM PT (US)     
     

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