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    Topic:   The Musketeer...anyone?

     Quill
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    Has anyone seen the film...any first impressions of the movie and score?

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    posted 09-08-2001 09:39 AM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    posted 09-08-2001 01:07 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    For comments on this movie, go over to the whacky board
    (http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/main.cgi)
    Some people have seen the movie already and have posted their comments.

    I'll catch it tomorrow, and I'll come back with comments.

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    posted 09-08-2001 01:25 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    Why Filmtracks? whats wrong with this old board?

    Well the fight scenes were a little too unbelievable. I dought the world's most skilled fencing artist would even attempt most of the moves used in this movie. I mean come on, the balancing act with a full split on the barrels was like a cartoon.
    I also would have liked to see a little more character development. Like a little bit of D'Artanion (or however you spell his name) growing up. The movie has it as when he's a boy about to learn how to fight, then all of a sudden he's grown man who fights better than anyone. But what happened during the years in between?

    My most favorite character was The Queen, she's the most realistic person in the whole movie. She's pretty too.

    The movie comes with a note from Peter Hyams requesting it to be played at a volume level of 7! Which is around 85dB-SPL on a Dolby system (this is common with Jerry Bruckhiemer also). I don't know any projectionist in his right mind who would but it that high. At just 6½ the sound is unforatable, especially he clanging effects of the swords. And booming sound when someone gets punch or kicked was funny. However its awsome during Arnold's main title! But the sound effects in the movie are much louder so its kinda hard hear within action the movie.
    But just don't be surpised if the movie is really loud. ok.

    But over all I liked it. It was fun.

    And I also want to mention that the score for Soul Surviors is quite good.

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    posted 09-08-2001 02:18 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    quote:
    Originally posted by TimT:
    Why Filmtracks? whats wrong with this old board?

    There's nothing wrong with this board, but I have not seen many comments about the musketeer here. Then again, I haven't been to the movie section. Just thought I'd point to some people who have expressed opinions about the movie, and who just so happen to have posted on FT.

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    And I also want to mention that the score for Soul Surviors is quite good.


    Of course. Score courtesy of Mr. Dan Licht from what I recall.
    Movie's been pushed back quite a lot though. From what I remember the movie was supposed to come out some time ago.
    Song soundtrack is on Chapter III. Score soundtrack on Beyond.

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    posted 09-08-2001 06:46 PM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    Just got back from seeing this film and like I told Jeron I enjoyed it. Entertaining but very poor dialogue. Stunning scenery and the sword fighting sequences were impressive! Only thing was is that I have seen movies by the same stunt coordinator so quite of few of the action I had seen before especially the ladder scene. Score fit perfectly in the film as usual with Arnold taking on the job. The theme is done well. Not abused at all. I thought it would be used for corny scenes but was quickly corrected. I'll have to pick this one up soon.

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    posted 09-08-2001 08:46 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    Ahhh yes.

    Soul Survivors.

    I'm actually thinking about seeing this latest flick from the creator of "The Dorm That Dripped Blood."

    It's good to see that Chris Young isn't scoring this, though. It proves that the man has actually moved on to somewhat better things. (Not that I'm expecting "The Glass House" to be a masterpiece of cinema.)

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    posted 09-08-2001 08:51 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    I thought Chris Young DID score Soul Survivors? Or, at least he was supposed to.....his name was on the poster.

    Shaun

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    posted 09-08-2001 10:35 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
    I thought Chris Young DID score Soul Survivors? Or, at least he was supposed to.....his name was on the poster.

    Shaun


    No surprise. When you can't get Young, you hire Licht.
    Dan Licht seems to be a poor man's Christopher Young.

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    posted 09-09-2001 07:43 AM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    This is great but how about the magic Arnold provided for The Musketeer. Give your opinions on that.

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    posted 09-09-2001 07:55 AM PT (US)     

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    I saw the Musketeer..it was ok. Fun score though.

    I knew the movie was only going to be average when it had one of the worst opening credit sequences I have EVER seen! Arnold's music was good, and got some lenghty playing time, but the images behind the music were horrible! Static, badly done pictures of forests and castles were not what the music needed...

    I thought the much-publicized fight scenes were nothing great. Director Hyams (sp?) shot them all in darkness and with closeups! You couldn't see what the incredible stunts looked like! (not to mention the indiana jones rip-off in the carriage fight. :-(

    Tim Roth and the guy who played the cardinal were great though

    All in all, an average flick, with a good score and some decent actors, but undone by a poor script and direction. It made me want to go rent the 93 Disney version with CHarlie Sheen and Tim Curry :-) (another great score, btw!)

    BobaMike

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    posted 09-09-2001 09:07 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Hyams should fire his DP.

    Shaun

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    posted 09-09-2001 11:53 AM PT (US)     

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    The Musketeer sucked.

    Of all the crap I've seen in the past five years, this is easily the worst.

    When it comes to visuals, it was a complete joke. Hyams definitely gets the statuette for worst Director and worst Director of Photography.
    Rarely has a movie been so badly shot and directed.
    Editing was rough and unfinished.

    The whole movie looked rushed and unfinished.

    The story? Uh... what story? Other than the moronic dialogues, most probably written by some 2 year old, the story was ridiculous. This junk had nothing to do with anything in the Dumas novel. It was just a bad try to exploit the relative popularity of the three musketeers. Other than in name, they had absolutely nothing in common with the book, and saying that this movie was "Based upon The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas" is so much of an exageration it could easily be called a lie.

    Imagine four people, held at gunpoint by the bad guy. Then he shoots one of the "heroes". One of the others suddenly says "We must save her!"
    Well... Duh!

    Arnold's score is just average. Though I couldn't stop humming John William's Superman theme as I left the theatre.

    And then to answer the question which will inevitable pop up from somewhere:
    "Well if you think it was so bad, why did you go see it?"
    Answer: Because until you've seen a movie, you cannot say with absolute certainty whether it will be good or bad.
    Somewhere deep inside, the sucker in me was hoping this movie would turn out ok.

    Whatever moment of lunacy prompted Catherine Deneuve to accept this sorry excuse of a movie I will never understand.

    Sorry for the negativity. I'll try not to polute the board in the future, but right now I'm pissed.

    I believe a few weeks ago Peter forbid us to wish for the death a person, but after seeing The Musketeer, I couldn't help but wish for Universal and Miramax to go belly up.

    Can you sue a Hollywood studio for psychological harm done to you by the studio's junk?

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    posted 09-09-2001 01:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Wooh, calm down there man, You're a little too much into it.

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    posted 09-09-2001 05:53 PM PT (US)     

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    It was bad, wisiti, but I didn't think it was THAT bad! geez!

    I mean, in the year of Tomb Raider and other such films it wasn't that bad. (and seeing Jackie Brown and The Talented Mr Ripley in the theater was a much worse experience

    BobaMike

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    posted 09-09-2001 05:56 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    The absolute worse movie this year, is Jeepers Creepers.

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    posted 09-09-2001 06:20 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
    Hyams should fire his DP.

    Ha ha ha ha ha.....

    Good one!

    Dan

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    posted 09-09-2001 11:22 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    I haven't seen the movie, but wistiti brought up a good point. As much as I love Arnold's main theme, I haven't heard The Musketeer in days and, in all honesty, I can't even remember what the theme sounds like. Every time I try to hum it I end up humming Superman instead!

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    posted 09-09-2001 11:44 PM PT (US)     

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    I keep thinking the main theme to Musketeer sounds like Spaceballs....

    its been a good year for Mel Brooks, since I think the Mummy Returns theme sounds like Robin hood: Men in Tights

    Boba

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    posted 09-10-2001 05:55 AM PT (US)     

     Dalboz
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    For those of you saying wistiti's review is too harsh: have you SEEN this movie?!?! The review is DEAD ON. 'The Musketeer' has got to be the WORST film I have seen in YEARS!!! Yes! It was THAT bad!!! Horrid script, bad acting, directing, only a few nice camera shots for the cinematography, and as much as I like David Arnold, the score was only mediocre. Rent it on DVD for the action scenes, but otherwise skip this one. Oh, and the main titles were HORRENDOUS!! Who thought THAT trash up?!?

    And if it puts my opinion in perspective: I loved A.I. ;-)

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    posted 09-11-2001 01:55 PM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    If you take the movie for what it is...harmless, entertain fluff. It was worth $5...

    Has anyone listened to the score outside of the film...is it a good listen?

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    posted 09-11-2001 02:55 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Quill:
    If you take the movie for what it is...harmless, entertain fluff. It was worth $5...


    It may be worth the money, but it sure ain't worth the time spent watching it.

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    Has anyone listened to the score outside of the film...is it a good listen?

    Nope. I was going to at least listen to it in stores to see how it sounds and maybe buy it afterwards, but Uni Canada pulled the old Universal trick again: announce a release date and don't give a damn about it.

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    posted 09-12-2001 07:08 AM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    I'm going to buy this score. It sounds a bit Korngoldish from the soundclips, which is a very good thing.

    I'll report back if I ever pick it up.

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    posted 09-12-2001 08:04 AM PT (US)     

     BobaMike
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    I picked up the score at Borders..

    its a fun score. One track (I can't recall which one, the cd isn't with me) sounds like the offspring of Elfman's Batman theme, and Arnold reuses a motif that I loved from The World is Not Enough (the submarine cue)..The First track is great, and almost made the horrific credits bearable.

    A nice lenghty album, with good sound..recommended

    BobaMike

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    posted 09-12-2001 07:20 PM PT (US)     

     Kris
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    Apparently none of you have seen Scary Movie 2. Tomb Raider comes in second.

    As for Arnold's score, it's ok but not great.

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    posted 09-13-2001 09:47 AM PT (US)     

     Bradley
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    I have to agree with wistiti, The Musketeer sucked. I don't even know if it was worth the $5. Granted, I did enjoy the fight sequences (even as unrealistic as they were). I thought the ladder fight was the best thing about the movie, apart from Tim Roth playing an excellent evil, sadistic bastard...again. The dialogue was horrid, the acting was stiff and no one (except Tim Roth and Stephen Rea) had any character whatsoever. Disney's version of the Three Musketeers was more entertaining the this clap trap. And, I must also agree about the story. Saying this was based on Alexandre Dumas' story is like saying Friday the 13th was based on Shakespeare's Hamlet!! Other than having the same characters as the book, there was nothing resembling Dumas' tale.

    At least David Arnold did not disappoint. His score was good, not his best IMHO, but good enough for this crap. Probably more that it deserved. I was so looking forward to this movie, too. Now, I feel cheated. BTW, TimT, I saw Jeepers Creepers the same day (it was in the next theatre, so I went in and watched it after leaving the Musketeer) and I think it's a close race between the two for worst movie so far. At least Jeepers Creepers had a cool, creepy truck.

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