2. MM had a flare up first where we debated: allowing free speech off topic stuff etc etc and Peter K allowed free speech and opinions to be aired. AND GUESS WHAT THE MM flare up died out and everything is back to normal. Peter let everyone be heard.

3. FSM had a flare up next and in that case THEY BANNED SOME PEOPLE for vague things like being hateful (dont know why 1 guy was banned no one told me)

MEANWHILE, they (the owner and moderator) let others stay on there who posted hatemongering offencive nicknames like Foreigners are stupid, who used racist terms like the N word and racist codewords, who told me to F@#$ off and that I was a S@#$ and told me country to F@#$ off, one guy even cut and pasted a post of mine totally out of context to make it appear I was racist, another guy made a death threat to an old man and his grandson.

These people did JUST AS BAD or WORSE then the people who were banned.

4. I pointed this out I said there was a double standard that it was hypocritical to ban some but not all (I said either let total free speech reign or set out exact rules like no onscenity no racism etc etc so that the biases of the moderator are no involved.) Or if there are no rules then people who act just as bad or worse should be treated in the same manner.

5. I emailed the owner and recieved no response. All I was asking was for fairness or objective rules or complete free speech. Instead I recieved a warning to shut up (now if someone goes offtopic just dont respond to them but lots of people went off topic on this and only I was warned).

6. I continue to point out the double standard and hypocracy being practiced at FSM and guess what I went into post tonight and I was banned. No explanation no email as to why. Not even a chance to have a final say.

7. Instead of twisting facts to show how hatemongering nicknames and racist words and obscene verbal abuse and death threats against children are ok ALL THEY HAD TO SAY is:
"the FSM Board is hypocritcal and has a double standard IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO on here if we (owner & moderator) like you, you can stay and if we don't you are gone -even if you don't do anything half as bad as the ones we like." If they had said that RIGHT from the start (instead of trying to twist facts to justify the banning of some and the non-banning of others) I would have left voluntarily.

WHO WANTS TO BE PART OF HATEMONGERING RACIST OBSCENE BOARD LIKE THAT One that doesnt deal fairly with posters but employees a double standard

8. if anyone of you post there as well I IMPLORE YOU DONT GO THERE ANYMORE AND EMAIL THE OWNER AND TELL HIM WHY also drop subscriptions to his magazine and dont buy his products... and if you want email and ask why I was banned? I d love to hear the fact twisting explanation for that. Seriously cut and paste this post there or leave a final post saying what you think of the FSM board.

PeterK, you've been given a left-handed compliment. Please don't allow this sort of pointless rancor to continue.

1. Wedge is of the opinion that this thread is "pointless and disgusting"

I THINK THIS THREAD IS INFORMATIVE and I would have posted it at FSM but I was banned without a reason being given so I can't.

There is free speech on this board so you can register your opinion and I can register mine I think what is occuring at FSM is disgusting.

2. Wedge INSULTS ME "behaviour of a little child" (unfortunately this is typical FSM behaviour) When they can't dispute anything you say factually THEY CALL YOU NAMES.

3. I described the REALITY of the situation you cannot name 1 factual error in my post.

4. Boycotts ARE meant to be damaging that is the point of them. They are legal and they are done in order TO PRODUCE CHANGE.
They are part of something called free speech.

5. No nothing I said was libelius. You need to buy a dictionary and look up words like libelius and boycott.

6. Now you want to silence me here as well you call what I posted rancor (you better look up what rancor means as well). What I posted is factual information. There is no rancor there.

7. That is NOT a left-handed compliment to Peter. That is an exact description of how I feel based on what I experienced on both boards.

8. The number of years you have been posting there HAS NOTHING TO DO the factual veracity of what I wrote. You could have been on FSM a hundred years it doesn't matter. What I experienced and wrote is the truth. And not 1 fact I wrote have you been able to dispute.

9. I am not on a crusade. I am merely letting people know what occured to me and others on there and what they can do about. And I am warning new people.

I was going to subscribe to Lukas' magazine and buy his CDs, but since he allows certain people on there to do anything they want (tell me to F@#$ off call me a S@#$, and to use the racist N word and racist codewords, to profer death threats against an old man and a small child, to cut a post of mine attacking racism and then re-paste it so it appears I am racist, to allow hate mongering nics like "foreigners are stupid."

While others who do the same types of things or less worse things or nothing IN MY CASE are banned is ludicrous.
A double standard exists there (if they like you you can do anything if they don't you are gone or in my case if you tell the truth).

Hey if people want to be part of a hate mongering racist hypocritical board like that fine, but people should know the
full factual story of what is going on there.

P.S. Zap believe me I don't want to go back, I just wanted to tell everyone there what happened so they understand exactly what kind of board they are on.

Your rancorous and spiteful posts aren't doing anybody any good. Why don't you stop bothering people?

Now let me breakdown Zap's post:

1. Zap SHOW how my posts are spiteful and/or rancorous.

2. Zap Don't YOU decide for other people whether these posts are doing them any good.

I already recieved 1 email from someone agreeing with my views of what is going on at FSM, and it is a person who is NOT banned at FSM but stopped going there because of the hate and obscene attacks that go on there."They behave like animals there", this person said in their email to me.

3. Zap in case you missed it I CAN'T GO BACK TO FSM I am banned; and If I could go back I would post what I posted here and then leave until changes occurred there.

First of all, my comparing your behavior to that of a "little child" was not petty name-calling, it was an accurate description of your attitude.

You fail to realize what goes on behind-the-scenes at Film Score Monthly, and hence you argue from a platform of ignorance. FSM is a privately owned and operated board, it is not the U.S. Government which uses your tax dollars and is somehow beholden to represent you.

Here's how things work: each case of disruptive behavior is dealt with individually, not under some all-encompassing (and flawed) rhetoric concerning "free" speech. Sheriff Joe works very hard behind the scenes to reason with potentially disruptive posters who endanger the stability of the forum. He prefers to deal with people via private e-mail rather than splash all the gory details into the middle of a film-music forum. This is frequently NECESSARY because he must take into account all manner of extra-board activities directed against him or other board members.

Given all this, Joe has gone to extraordinary lengths to promote open trust and communication. He is under no obligation to either explain himself or solicit opinions. Lukas Kendall trust him, and it's FSM's messageboard. That ought to be enough. The fact that he even tried to reason with you ought to demonstrate extreme patience and generosity on his part.

That's the way things operate. Whether or not you like or agree with it is beside the point. For one thing, you are under no obligation to use the FSM messageboard. When you DO use it, you ARE under an obligation to respect the procedures under which it functions. For another thing, you ARE allowed to disagree. What you have done is not disagreement. What you have done is to blast your displeasure at full volume, even towards people who are totally unconnected, until they agree with you. Only then will you shut up.

Can you see how useless and stupid this is? The only people in a position to change things are the ones who will not listen to you ... they will not listen, not because they are close-minded bigots, but because they are in a position to know more than you know and to have greater perspective. For all that, they have not lorded it over you. They have tried to be sympathetic to your point of view. But they cannot re-orient the world until it matches your narrow perspective.

You are like a person with a rudimentary knowledge of a foreign language complaining that native speakers have written bad literature.

Furthermore, this apparent vendetta that has led you to cry war on OTHER messageboards (under the guise of praise ... "Thank you Lord, that I am not like these other men") is inexplicable in its motivation, and can only be accounted for as the actions of a vengefull and spite-filled mind. It cannot be justified, because the ONLY rational and justifiable excuse for behavior such as you have exhibited is when OPPRESSION is taking place.

YOU ARE NOT BEING OPPRESSED.

Film Score Monthly is not invading your computer and lowering the quality of your life. There is no REASON for a boycott. Boycott's promote change ... WHO will BENEFIT from the changes you are proposing? You readily admit that MovieMusic exists as an alternative posting preference, that is better in your eyes. How is FSM preventing people from doing so?

No one needs your "enlightenment." People have reasonable minds and can make their own decisions. You somehow feel your "information" is so vital, and so important that people should be REQUIRED to hear it! That you won't stop until they acknowledge it.

Mean-spirited. Petty. Vengeful. Spiteful. Hate-filled. CHILDISH. These are not names I have given you, they are titles you have earned. Persecution on the messageboards is real, alright. You've given it life. What do you hope to accomplish? What are you trying to CREATE? It seems to me that you are trying to destroy, to the benefit of absolutely no one but your own revenge fantasies.

I don't expect you to agree with anything I'm saying. In fact, I think you sewed your ears shut some time ago. So I'm only posting this for the benefit of those who would take your LIBELLOUS (involving or constituting a libel; defamatory) rants at face value.

No disrespect intended, but I will still read FSM, go to their website and buy their CDs. They have done nothing to me and I accept this issue of banning posters who do not contribute to the overall aesthetic of the message board. True, there are some overzealous, jerky posters on that site. There are probably some over here and definitely a bunch on Filmtracks, know what I do when I don't like a site? I find a better one and start to post what, I hope, will be something that will be interesting to others. I do not take my dirty laundry to other sites and dis them. I do not love the Filmtracks playground so much. I do like FSM (until all of this crap started to happen).

Us film music folk are a simple bunch. We like what we like and don't want to get into long tirades about "injustices" unless it involves 30 minute scores or why something is or isn't being released.

I like this site and please don't turn it into FSM. Let's just talk about what brings us all here in the first place...MOVIE MUSIC.

1. Calling an adult a child is an insult. I have acted in an adult manner. I was insulted by it any adult would be, that should be enough for you YET YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT ME by using it.

2. He never emailed me. Lukas never emailed me. I was just banned no explanations.

3. Yes Lukas owns the board (see my ears are not sewn shut) he can do what he wants with it. I don't deny this.

My 1st preference would be a board with free speech anything goes My second choice a baord with set out rules (no obscenities no racism etc) so that the moderator has objective criteria for taking action rather than subjective.
My 3rd choice is the way it is now but to then make sure THAT ALL POSTERS treated equally.

The way FSM operates is THERE ARE NO PROCEDURES! That is the problem with FSM board. Memebers they like can do things just as bad or worse then members they don't like who get banned.

Instead of twisting facts to justify bannings and non-bannings all I want them is to be honest and say this:

(A)IF WE LIKE YOU YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT HERE
i.e. YOU CAN HATEMONGER BE RACIST TELL PEOPLE TO F@#$ OFF CUT AND PASTE POSTS TO COMPLETELY DISTORT THE TRUTH GIBE DEATH THREATS etc

(B) IF WE DONT LIKE YOU NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO WE WILL BAN YOU

There are NO procedures there no rules it is completely arbitrary, depends on who they like and dont like. That is what I am saying put in procedures OR just admit there are NO procedures IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHETHER THEY LIKE YOU OR NOT.

3. Believe me I would have left voluntraily right away and would have saved myself the trouble of creating all those posts if they had just said:

"On FSM it doesn't matter what you say. We don't have procedures we have a double standard if we like you anything goes if we don't you are gone."

Instead they twist reason to the breaking point trying to justify banning one guy and not bannig the other.

CUT THE PRETENSE just tell the truth.

ON FSM racism hate against forigners is okay death threats obscenities are all okay if we like you, if we dont like you you are gone even if you dont do anything but just tell the truth (which is what I did I did nothing off board BTW) and no matter what you say regarding procedures doesnt matter because we have no procedures.

Get over it. Life's too short for this crap. Go visit a family relative, a best friend, or a hilltop near town enabling you to look out around you. Soak some life in.

This is kind of getting silly. We understand your points clear as a bell (as you tell us the same thing over and over). Please get over it and contribute here, PLEASE???? I don't think too many people will sympathize with you if you keep making the same points.

It takes 2 or more to create something each time I posted there or here someone responds IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I AM SAYIN DONT RESPOND

(It is ironic though the people who responded in obscene ways are on there and I am gone.)

Wedge Why are you afraid of the truth I am just pointing out what it is like there as opposed to what they say it is like there.

YOU WANT ME TO BE STOPPED FROM TELLING WHAT HERE WHAT I EXPERIENCED THERE

You want to decide for OTHERS What is enlightening or not --- pathetic!
YES people can decide for themselves but why should they just have their views or your views shouldn't people have access to my views as well when making up their own minds. HUH???

---Taylor of course you do as you wish. I am just pointing out what it is like there. I believe ecveryone should decide for themselves all I want to do is present another view. I think that is fair.

BTW If you dont want this post developing further dont respond on this thread anymore simple as that. That is all the people on there had to do as well.

It's the hypocracy I can't stand the pretense that it is FAIR there, that THERE ARE PROCEDURES, that all members are treated equally and in the same way.

If I knew that at FSM they dont care about the truth facts logic fairness procedures... that nothing I say matters at all. I wouldn't have posted there at all.

HERE IS THE KEY POINT:
They created the situation by their posts. For example, they kept saying RACIST remarks weren't racist if they had said:

yes these remarks are racist but Joe and
Lukas like me so I can post racism on here.

WHY would I have responded I would have left.

***Or if they said," yes we banned guys who did no worse or actually who did less THEN GUYS WHO DON'T GET BANNED becuase we don't have procedures we have a double standard we do what we want even if not fair or just."

I wouldnt have made another post I would have left VOLUNTARILY and IMMEDIATELY.

1. This is not an off-topic thread. This is about a Film Music resource that is not what it purports to be. I am telling other film music fans about it, it is up to them to decide what they want to do about it. I just want people to know what happened to me and warn people about the verbal abuse and racism they might encounter there.

2. If want this thread to die STOP RESPONDING TO IT!

3. The only reason I repeat is people like Wedge repeat, seemingly not getting any of my points.

okay?

Let's talk hypocricy...let's talk about what people say when they think no one know's who they are...let's talk about lying and deceit...you attack FSM, its board, it's moderator, its owner and you go so far as to openly solicit people to NOT purhcase it's products or visit its site...and yet...as you will read in this post from Dr. Zaius at FSM, you are openly supporting my work there as well as the board. Scroll down and see for yourself...
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/Forum1/HTML/003045.html

Perhaps you are schizophrenic or bipolar? Perhaps there is more than one Dr. Zaius? Whatever the case, you are making no sense whatsoever and you are actively attempting to decieve and lie.

PeterK, keep this thread alive so your readers can SEE for themselves how Dr. Zaius is not only hurting a fellow film score appreciation site, but is also treating your readers and supporters with disrespect nad deceit.

FSM, like moviemusic.com, strives to provide a pleasant and safe atmosphere for film music enthusiasts to discuss their passion. Without that kind of environment, the boards fall into chaos and lose sight of what it is there to be.

As I have said repeatedly at FSM...and would like to say here as well...let's talk about film music...let's share stories and insights. Most of all, let us not lose sight of why we are here amidst all the rumblings and discord.

FILM MUSIC.

Thank you for your time and I feel it necessary to apologize to all moviemusic people who are being subjected to this. Fortunately, like bad gas, it too will pass.

Ugh...bad analogy...sorry...

Wedge is correct, mostly. Peter is correct, mostly. Howard L is correct.

Dr. Zaius, my friend, the moment I saw you trying to get me and Daniel2 back to that board I tought to myself: "Poor guy, he is doomed!". And I was correct.
And I feel sorry for you getting banned because of me, since to be quite honest with you, I never wanted to be reinstated to that board.
I mean, why would I desire to get back to a place where bigot losers such as Big Boor/Foreigners, I am Stupid, Hornyfan and Adolf Paddon are free to drop all their racist crap?

No, thanks. The only reason I wanna get back there is to creat a little havoc, just to imagine JokeRixmim getting all hysterical again trying to delete all my mockering threads and runing after my IP number to ban once more. What can be more funny than that?

Just go back there and see all those coward back stabing you and me now that they know we cannot post there anylonger, much to the joy of SherifaJoke. What could you expect from people like that? They must be all jumpy on the dungeon they live, their life never have been so excited as now!!! They feel so powerfull, so manly (well, not all of them...)

But cheer up mate! We are cool!
Imagine if all those racist losers were SUPPORTING us? Man, that would be disgusting...

And just do like I do: never buy any other product from FSM. Don't give your money to that Lulas Kendall, who is just like the people who posts on his board and give all the endorsement they need. That will hurt him, believe me...

And I agree with you: Kudos to PeterK, a guy that I don't always agree, but is a far better and coherent moderator than all the others. Besides, he has a good reason to be a moderator, since this is HIS site. But what's JokeRixman excuse, except not having a life??

Cheers and thanks for the great fun!

The guy who belives Wedge: you can believe what you want
you can believe the moon is really made of green cheese BUT I WENT TO THE MOON AND BROUGHT BACK MOON ROCKS showing the moon is not made of green cheese

do you get the analogy?
you dont have to believe in me LOOK AT THE FACTS belief not required...
Belief is one thing BUT NO ONE HERE OR THERE HAS SHOWN ONE FACTUAL ERROR IN ANYTHING I POSTED ergo it is all true

what is wrong with someone telling the truth I wonder? that is my crime i didnt not HATE MONGER I did not say F@#$ you you S@#$ I didnt issue death threats I didnt cut someone's anti-racist post and repaste it to show he was a racist that was done by one poster there and echoed by another THAT IS THE MOST DESPICABLE THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE

yeah you can kill me BUT YOU CANNOT KILL THE TRUTH no way... no how...

as cool hand luke said "Just because its your job doesnt make it right"

These kids are all weak, alienated and insecure. They need someone to tell them what to do, how to behave, what to say, what to read, what to think, etc...

That's why they are so pleased with someone like SherifaJoke, who obiously love to play the Big Mother role.

Man, just laught at them.
Nothing you say will convince they are wrong.
They live in another planet, another reality. They are clueless and alone.

Just laugh. Nothing will piss them off more than that.
Why do you think they had to ban me??

But even if I didn't have any clue, it would be better than be like you!

he wont let me post on lukas' board but he comes here to debate with me what gall what hypocracy
he encourages me to be shut up here as well

then he thinks that i might be fsm zauis who supports his actions

i mean i thought this guy was being intentionally hypocritical and unfair

when in fact maybe he is completely incompetent to be a moderator lacking the judgement and thinking skills required
for the job

maybe he just doesnt have a clue
as to what is offensive to people and what is not?

who knows who cares what he has been doing is wrong and lukas needs to attend to this situation immediately

quote:

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Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:
BTW note not one fact i gave was disputed

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That's only because nobody cared.

they keep responding

often with long posts filled with stuff
about how i dont know "this" and things are really like "that" etc etc

but they DONT dispute the facts I present because they CANT

He won't let you speak on that board and let the other sick ones back-stab you. Plus he and his drones and puppy friends (whose posts one can easily notice above) even come here to provoke us even more, trying to force PeterK to ban us.

And be sure they do care.
People who don't care or are mature don't need to ban others or talk about you on your back.

quote:

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Originally posted by André Lux:

Zaius: you are right - JokeInSanDiego is the same No One Joe from FSM (aka SherifaJoke).

He won't let you speak on that board and let the other sick ones back-stab you. Plus he and his drones and puppy friends (whose posts one can easily notice above) even come here to provoke us even more, trying to force PeterK to ban us.

And be sure they do care.
People who don't care or are mature don't need to ban others or talk about you on your back.

Cowards are cowards everywhere...

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I am not trying to get anyone banned. Just want to stop debating FSM. We are on Moviemusic.com and not FSM.com. Let's please talk about something else. It seems a lot of wasted energy is being placed in here.

If you look at my history here (I know it's brief) I try and show respect for all opinions (even one's I don't agree with). I don't think people should be banned. I think people should behave when asked though. It's not about free speech, but common decency and respect.

I did behave it was the others WHO DIDNT BEHAVE that got to stay --- i am against banning BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BAN well then ban fairly That Is The Point I Am Making

the people who got banned either did nothing like me or did NO WORSE then the people who didnt get banned did

Taylor its not wasted energy because people keep responding meaning the thread is worthy

IF YOU THINK ITS WASTED Energy Stop responding and the thread will die out
simple as that or better yet dont even visit the thread dont click on it IGNORE IT and it will die out

You are not keeping to your end the bargain, which is to quit talking about FSM and JoeInSanDiego et al on the MM boards.

Show some control and show us you can stick to your own words, or else you'll find yourself looking for yet another home.

Your music FSM posts were the most interesting ones on there along with Timmers and Marxx

quote:

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Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:
Peter shouldnt you have sent that last message in a private email?

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Zaius, the whole arrangement was done via email at first. It's not been effective as we've seen, hence my public addressing Lux. I attempt to ask people to ignore each other behind the scenes rather than ban them. It works much better than clicking the ban button every time a flare up happens.