I was just trying to express how I feel about what just happened to Dr. Zaius over that place. He was banned simple because he was outrage with all the hypocrisy there.

Then the same hypocrites show up here to attack him! Really disgusting behavior, if you ask me...

But I won't say anything else about the subject. I understand that your email box must be filed with menacing messages from "You know who" by now...

Sorry if I caused you any trouble.

Best,
André

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Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:
Hey Lux don't get banned over this your non-FSM posts music posts are very interesting and are needed here.

Your music FSM posts were the most interesting ones on there along with Timmers and Marxx

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Thanks for your kind words mate!

I appreciate how you run this board compared to what I just exeperinced over at FSM. I was not silenced here. I can only speak from myself and my experience.

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Originally posted by André Lux:
Then the same hypocrites show up here to attack him! Really disgusting behavior, if you ask me...

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Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:

That was a sincere endorsement.

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And so was mine!

I will say for the record, that I, being one of the ones at FSM who inflamed posters like Zaius/Thade, merely was trying to present a view that I have of the hippocrytical world (this counry in particular) and how it deals with racism by focusing all it's attention on things like the proverbial N-word. I presented a rational argument for being prejudiced against such ignorance. Ignorace Zaius has now infected this board with. We don't need to break down his posts to understand this. These type of posts are what would thrive here if Peter wasn't in charge. I only bring this up because of the recent accusations that Peter has undergone in the past month or so about being oppressive. Like a Nazi, etc. Likewise have I been accused of things like this and racism, etc. because I presented a point and debated it successfully against those who refuse to outside the box. But I must be a Nazi, eh?

Ask yourself who the real racists are? What about this N-word for example? Nazi. Judging an entire people and culture based on one regime in history.How do you think that makes someone of German heritage feel? Oh, but they are of white color. They've always had it easy...Like the Scotts and Irish, my own personal heritage.

You gotta think for yourself people...This ignorance affects everything. Even music, which is why we are here at this board to discuss it. Case in point...this week's MTV video music awards..the calamities that befell U2 and the Ramones? In favor of things like NSYNC...Ridiculous.

2. saying he lived amomg african americans --- right in the middle of it --- nice turn of phrase that

3. he also used the pathetic excuse that blacks and tarrintino used the n word

4. he then added racist codewords such as crack addicts rap music ignorance to cover his tracks

5. he then tried to delegitimize and diminish the suffering blacks have undergone by referring to the racist suffering of others such as asians --- like someone calling someone a jew an ephitat and then saying well look at others they sufffered too

6. the thing about nazi misses the point nazi doesnt refer to a race it refers to a real thing that existed and exists in germany but in other countries as well such as usa --- it's a tangential subject that has not bearing on the discussion since nazi is not a racial epithat

7. and you elitist attacks on what you deem ignorance rap music and other music shows you are elitist as well as racist

AND The word I used was "NIGGA" which I used to describe a genre of music, aka Gangsta Rap. Why? Because this is what the creators of this music dub it. It's in the lyrics. It's on the album covers. So basically, if I sing along with the lyrics and like this music, it is okay to use the word. If I don't like the music and call it what it is, what they call it, I am a racist...This is just plain thinking for the ignoramus.

For the record I did say that our country's current allegiance to this type of music, music which promotes drug use, driveby shootings, booty calls, pregnancies, parental neglect and foul-mouthed ignorance is what has delivered the state of things which we live in now. This particular culture promotes this type of behavior and then has the audacity to ask the country for reparations for their ancestors' enslavement, as well as the bending of grammatical rules among other rules so that they can get ahead.

Yes, I live in Cincinnati, I drive through these neighborhoods, especially this last Spring when they specifically targeted white people pulling them out of their cars beating them and destroying their cars. Destoyed local business. Is that money going to some out of their paychecks, their neighborhoods? No, it's my paycheck that it will come out of. It is the business owner that suffers even after repair because people are afraid to come out to those businesses. In other parts of the world these looters and rioters would be lined up and executed. And before you comment on the heathenism of that on that, Zaius, ask yourself who the real racist is.

These rioters in Cincinnati, destoyed even their very own neighborhoods when their beef was with the police force. This is not fighting for a cause. This is the true heathenism. So when you go through that and witness such things before your very eyes, come back to me. For God's sake they won't clean up their own neighborhoods. Trash lies all over the place and they do nothing to improve their conditions. Why not? Because their culture dictates this to them. In their very music. The music doesn't promote peace and self-improvement. It promotes self degradation, material wealth that magically appears, and a lot of ass shaking in the camera. Going to jail is treated as a rite of passage.

I am an elitest. An elitest for intelligence. I do not believe that in this country that anyone should want for anything. Especially not now. You have people in this country with eating disorders because of magazine ads when halfway across the globe people are eating sand and bugs. It makes me sick. There must be some sort of Social Darwinism eneacted here. As in the Bible, which we all regard so highly, "He who shall not work, shall not eat." I'm tired of catering to the weak minded laziness of this country because idiots like you whine in the streets about the popular causes for the month like the dreaded "N-word" allowing such freeloaders to use this as a crutch to not do anything, including properly providing for their children.

And as I said before, shame on you for catering to this culture that uses their past as a crutch. (In a general sense, that is. Sensible people like Morgan Freeman and Bill Cosby speak out against this apathy and expectant laziness) Their are Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Italian Americans, German Americans, and scores of others in this country who make a daily living not expecting such handouts, but rather realize in this country, with hard work and perserverence, they can make a comprable life for themselves. Get out of from under your parents roof and off the teat into real life and you'll understand this, Zauis.

And yes, if you think the German people aren't given an unfavorable reputation based on Nazism, you're fooling yourselves. Look at the villians in movies and some of you immediately jump on a movie like PROOF OF LIFE because it insinuates South Americans are in kidnapping cartels.

Why don't you stop being hypocritical and admit this lack of fairness you posess for other races. Who's the real racist?

And finally, if you are going to defend that gagsta crap as legitimate music, you should not even be allowed to discuss music again in your life. I'll send Barry White, Aretha Franklin and Miles Davis the memo, you moronic baboon!!!! Grow up.

2. attending to the racism against blacks doesnt mean ignoring the racism against others ---

3. again you use the N word stop it!!!!!
i dont think you would use that in front of cosby and freeman STOP SAYING IT YOU RACIST now I mean it

That is not the name of the music it is not filed like that in any store THEY CAN CALL IT THAT YOU CANT you racist moron

4. Your ignorance about the world is laughable you suggest their music is responsible for those negative situations ----Slavery insititutional racism and degradation and the capitalst system are responsible for those situations you cite

5. The "in other parts of the world arguement is pathtetic" they castrate women in other parts of the world should we try that to In other parts of the world people have free medical care and good government housing and decent welfare. You think people should be executed for looting you are a sicko.

6. Racism: black culture dictates blacks should be lazy and litterbugs. yeah riiiight Why should they worry about cleaining up when dont have enough to eat
7. The reason people want for things is BECAUSE SOCIAL DARWINISM is already in place. A unfair competitive system is in place why should people be punished because they are weak or stupid or anything else.

The truth is the truth whether it is used as a crutch is irrelevant since they cant afford no crutch. THE TRUTH IS the racist society is the crippler>

As for the bible read the gospels read the words the ACTUAL WORDS OF JESUS he says "sell everything you have and give it to the poor" and love they neignbor even love thy enemies --- jesus would be in those neighborhoods helping them NOT JUDGING LIKE YOU DO You hypocrite

8. Racism asians indians italians dont want hand outs blacks do they dont work to earn daily living I GUESS YOU MISSED OUT ON THE ASIANS SUING FOR A HUGE HANDOUT FOR THE WRONGS DONE TO THEM
(your ignorace level is incredible)

9. the movies where germans were villians where were germans really are villians DUH i really do think that most ww2 nazis were germans

Lightborne: You make some valid observations, but it's not quite as simple as you make it out to be. It is true that certain elements of what we call "Black culture" are negative and self-defeating -- certainly the music is often an expression of this (but not always.) (I don't think there's any LESS booty-shaking in "white" music videos, but maybe that's just me.)

The problem is that the American social/educational system does a very good job of propagating the class system from one generation to the next. The raw potential for intelligence is not always enough to get you out of the ghetto. In a very real sense, the white middle/upper-class does as much to promote ignorance as the lower-class itself, even if it's more subversive and institutionalized.

I'm not trying to make an argument, mind you. Even the above points are debatable to a certain extent. My point is that these issues are more complex than most people give them credit for. There are no easy answers. Most people on a messageboard forum (esp. a FILM MUSIC forum) aren't qualified to discuss the topic objectively anyway.

(For the record: I do think we tend to overemphasize certain elements of history. For example: the way they taught it in grade school, the Jewish Holocaust was the only thing that ever happened. Ever. There was the Roman Empire, America, and BAM! Holocaust. We had to write papers every single year about "why the Holocaust was bad." I'm part Armenian. I have a few thoughts on genocide that were never even brought up in school. Just my own little peeve, I suppose.)

Also for the record: Germans have suffered "bad press" ever since WWII, there's no denying it. The first word that pops into my head when I hear "Nazi" is "Germany." That's a tough stigma to live down.

Just my opinion, but if someone is going to create a chat board that's open to the public, they should let the public say what it wants to free of moderation/censorship/banning.

Neither FSM or MM meets this ideal and it's created a lot of bad water over time. Of course, there is the other side, people who come one line, voice their opinions, are in shock when people disagree or when they get insulted and cry out for someone to protect them. There will always be dictator types willing to oblige (and god save the rest of us).

I think both Peter Kelly and Joe Rixman have done a bang-up job of maintaining an open environment that promotes productive and topical discourse without straight-jacketing users. God knows it's a hard line to walk: you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Write me off as a brown-nosing idiot if you like -- I wish there was something in it for me -- but that's just the way I think.

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This is a topic that refuses to die

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this topic refuses to die because a few idiots (not Lou) are only bitching for the hell of it.
Perhaps their parents didn't give them enough attention as younger children. Who knows?

99.9% of the users of the board are not abusive and only want to talk about film scores and why music rules (and why Trevor Rabin is a schitty "composer").

It's the 0.01% dipschidt hypocrites like General Thade/ Dr Zaius who continue to incessantly voice their high-minded "concerns" and accusations that've been made a million times in the past.

blah blah blah...

They refuse to leave, and so I must seriously consider leaving ALL the boards.

Not that that is going to dampen anyone's spirits, but phuck it:

This schidt is OLD, man.

1. if you dont like this thread dont post here i only post if people respond and if they stop the thread will die

2. for the record peter since i have been here has allowed debate Lukas has not
Want to hear something funny jjh after I was banned Lukas emailed me asking if I wanted a free copy of his magazine?

3. jjh did the worse thing i have ever seen at fsm if it is the same guy

he took a post i made against racism sexism etc and then cut it and paste it so it appeared i was in favour of racism etc THAT IS THE LOWEST THING YET

4. no on forces you to be at fsm true but then a dictator is still in force in the same way no on forces you to go to a church but a dictator can prevent it

or if he allows SOME people to shop at his store or drink in his bar but prohibits others

and some coerrect insight on how the class system operates and propagates itself
are you american btw?

but then you fade badly
yes we have a right to discus it anyone has a right

which people on what board have more of a right

and is their really such a thing as objective discussion?

yes peter from my time here has done a nice job but Joe(lukas) has not he has straightjacketed people

fine ban people but ban them equally i did nothing wrong in my 1t post this thread i describe what they did

someone comes to a board freely but is not allowed to speak then that is dictatorship

lightborne is a racist his post drips with it there is no need for pseudo-intellectual babble CALL EM AS I SEE EM you should try the same

the holocaust can never be overemphasized it is still happening once this happened and we must never let it happen again

it is a great example to the world a world with an all too short memory and a tendecy to repeat the mistakes of the past

and just for the record it was not just the nazis that went along with the holocaust lots of ordinary businessmen and doctors and professors and such went along they even got help from corporate america ford ibm etc

people should always been reminded of the evil that people do and the ways they rationalize and justify

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he took a post i made against racism sexism etc and then cut it and paste it so it appeared i was in favour of racism

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Hey genius,

THAT'S THE KIND OF CRAP YOU'VE BEEN PULLING SINCE YOU LOGGED ON TO THESE SITES:

Finger pointing and distorting everything anyone else types.

I will understand if I am banned.

In fact, I welcome it.

Lord knows I'm not gonna be a part of anything associated with this ass/retard.

By comparison, D2 is reasonable and intelligent.

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Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:
i am amazed wedge nice retorts on white music = booty shaking
and some coerrect insight on how the class system operates and propagates itself
are you american btw?

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American, white, middle-class. And not always proud of it.

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yes we have a right to discus it anyone has a right

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I never said you didn't have a right ... only that most people don't have enough knowledge or perspective to engage in a productive discussion. Instead, dialogue most frequently degrades into a case of two sides hurling insults at each other.

No one can be entirely objective. But when people are informed and educate themselves, they gain perspective that allows them to speak with greater authority. Sadly, this is rare. Everyone can speak their emotions. Not everyone has knowledge. Still fewer speak with wisdom and compassion.

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lightborne is a racist his post drips with it there is no need for pseudo-intellectual babble CALL EM AS I SEE EM you should try the same

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I've never been less than honest with you.

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the holocaust can never be overemphasized it is still happening once this happened and we must never let it happen again

it is a great example to the world a world with an all too short memory and a tendecy to repeat the mistakes of the past

people should always been reminded of the evil that people do and the ways they rationalize and justify

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everything i say is backed up by fact
i take the things you say and break them down i am not intellectually dishonest

well educated people are just as bad the worst guy i have met at fsm was THIS GUY and he purported to be educated he knew historical facts but he twisted everything to fit his twisted views

while an uneducated person can provide a realistic view of things

some of the most biased hateful people in this world are educated

often the educated Subscribe to the same enslaving societal myths that uneducated people subscribe to

and yes people hurl insults etc
but this has more to do with maturity frustraton etc

lay people can discuss anything general with the same insights

and if not they can be educated if they want to learn about anything

as for the holocaust no histrical event should be taught exclusively

it was a part of the history learned but we also did the renaissance industrial revolutuion russian revoluttion etc etc

it should form a part of a major section of 20the century history

no one would argue otherwise I just hate it when people try to diminish the holocaust "WE know enough ENOUGH already lets not talk about anymore etc etc etc"

I knew a go-nowhere rap group in the early 90s. The guys called me their N-A and I am a redheaded cracker (their other jokey name for me). The -GA connotation has become the affectionate way to describe a buddy or a friend as it has been explained to me by people in the rap game and on the streets. If you use it to demean/harass somebody, use -er instead of the -ga in written or verbal form, are a member of the KKK or Aryan Youth or you see an african american guy on the street corner and yell it at them because your buddies encourage you to, you are wrong and are being a bigot. Plain and simple...You have it wrong there...

And no I am not defending ANYBODY who uses it in a derogatory or inflammatory (read: racist/bigoted) way.

Now because I know this and hang with rappers, does this make me a bigot/racist??? Or are the "racists" the ones you dislike and therefore call this overused name???

Race is a difficult thing in this country and abroad and it does not help when people liberally call others "racists", so please stop with the race card???!!!???

And yes, I am now done with this topic...And personally I despise the word and it's new slang connotations.

THEN you can talk down to me from your soapbox.

You distort, draw wild conclusions and, worst of all, stereotype people.
You called the honorable SherrifJoe everything in the book for practicing Nazi tactics.

You are sad.

There's nothing intellectual about you.
You do not cite fact, let alone support your "hypotheses," and I doubt you could given the opportunity. You haven't so far...

Your analyses of my posts are just as insipid and asanine as your libelous slanderous posts about everyone who disagrees with you.

In fact, your posts are "code-word" for dumbass, a term of endearment typically reserved for D2, but now solely applied to you.

Calling someone racist is an opinion.
Your uneducated opinion.

Lightborne's original use of the term was not innapproriate.
Or at least it wouldn't have been had it been in a much less formal atmosphere. Of course, to the blowhards like you out there nothing is good except that which you deem appropriate for the masses.

Jackie Chan used the term in
the original Rush Hour. Is he racist?
Is the screenwriter? Brett Ratner? Lalo Scifrin, for having written the cool score?

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Wassup, my nigga?

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Am I now a racist for having quoted the film?

Those are movies movies MOVIES!!!

You go down to the the black part of town and use ER or AH and see what happens.

If he said it that is one thing but then he added all that other racism on top of it just so we wouldnt think he made a mistake.
This is all in response to Taylor.

JJH I didnt even read your post not after
you JJH ADMIT YOU DELIBERATELY TOOK A POST OF MINE ATTACKING RACISM AND ALTERED IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I WAS RACIST

and then defend that by saying i did it to

I will debate anyone BUT NOT YOU JJH because your an intellectual fraud

an inttelectual cheat dishonest

you are not worthy of being spat upon let alone talked to

COMMITTING FRAUD LIKE THAT IS THE MOST DESPICABLE THING I HAVE EVER EVER SEEN ON THE NET

Go read and listen to some Larry Elder. He's been published, and he's on KABC radio in LA.

2. In your biased right wing opinion they polished my arguements off THEY DIDNT EVEN ADDRESS half my points.

3. Maybe as moderator YOU SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS, maybe you should recuse yourself!!!

4. I didt name call I called them what they are ignorant.

5. Larry Elder is an UNCLE TOM you know there were some jews who supported Hitler some even tried to join the nazi party. Look at Clarence Thomas he is black and he has done more to hurt black people in usa then any kkk memember. This syndrome of self hate is well known in psychology. There are gays who attack homosexuals. Elder is the right wings lap dog he says what they want to hear so he gets money. Just like those preachers who claim to be christian but do unchristian things all the time.
As for responsibility what about corporate responsibility HOW ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS corporations get it's called Corporate Welfare

what about the responsibility for the tabocco industry and the corpoarations poisoning americans water and air

what about the responsibility of the richest society to ensure that everyone NO MATTER WHAT gets quality health care
gets shelter gets enough to eat gets medicine gets an education NO MATTER WHAT
that everyone gets a fair trail

american society feels no responsibility for its poor people

so why WHY SHOULD They feel responsibility to it

Look at the number of people that dont even vote

Don't you mean, the "African-American part of town?"

I'd like to see what a black guy would do if you called him an "Uncle Tom."

PK, get rid of this ass.

uncle tom is not a racist term! it REFERS TO WHAT A PERSON DOES and it can apply to anyone as a matter of fact

well if a guy is a nazi i can call him a nazi and if a guy is an uncle tom or if you prefer a betrayer of his people
then calling him that is the right thing to do

i dont really care what a nazi does if i call him nazi or uncle tom does if i call him uncle tom

that is not the point

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well, no schidt Sherlock.

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JJH ADMIT YOU DELIBERATELY TOOK A POST OF MINE ATTACKING RACISM AND ALTERED IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I WAS RACIST

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Aren't you?

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an inttelectual cheat dishonest

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Bravo! Well said....you really hurt with that witty "retort."

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Look at Clarence Thomas he is black and he has done more to hurt black people in usa then any kkk memember

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This is bullshit. Jesse Jackson has done more to hurt the black people in America than Clarence Thomas could ever do.
Clarence Thomas was raised in a crap neighborhood and rose above it to become one of the finest judicial minds in the country.
That he is black and didn't rely on race baiting to get his way is commendable and scary to all those who wish for the government to give them a handout for doing **** with their lives.

Punishing achievement. That's awful, but sadly the norm.

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Just like those preachers who claim to be christian but do unchristian things all the time.

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...or just like liberals who espouse "free-speech" at all turns but can't handle and respect opinions different from their own and engage in thoughtful discussion without resorting to name-calling. "Racist" is a favorite term....

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No one makes people smoke. Addictive they are yes, and the companies should be punished for their stupid machinations in terms of their behaviors, but PEOPLE ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE for THEIR OWN BEHAVIORS. If I die in a car wreck, most likely it's not due to Ford or BMW, but human error.

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what about the responsibility of the richest society to ensure that everyone NO MATTER WHAT gets quality health care

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Everyone does. That's what public hospitals are for, genius.
See, the thing you don't know is that switching to Universal health care is impossible for the US to do.
For one thing, it is simply not a popular ideal here.
It involves BILLIONS of dollars just to make the switch. It would create an economic catastrophe which would make the Great Depression seem like a walk in the park.
Additionally, the government would have to TAX beyond all reason to accomlish the transfer. And good luck getting a lower tax rate afterwards.
One of the downsides to a universal health care system is the rationing that would ultimately take place.

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american society feels no responsibility for its poor people

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Welfare? Unemployment checks? Soup kitchens?
Public housing?
The lowest possible tax rate?

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Look at the number of people that dont even vote

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This is valid.
but at least no one forces us at gunpoint to vote for the only candidate on the ballot.

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you like being clueless?

You are white he tells whites what they want to hear he hurts blacks

okay peter tell me what you think of clarence thomas????

"THE FSM MOCKERY OF A BOARD and KUDOS TO PETER K."

So, in the end, anyone who contributes to this endless thread is endorsing what's being said on its title, being it JJH, a Bush voter, Dr. Zaius or whoever.

this is "code word" for it's someone else's fault.

Once again, a most ignorant statement that accomplishes nothing but perpetuates stereotypes.

Do me one favor tomorrow: turn on your TV set in the afternoon and watch "Moral Court." Elder is the boss on this show too (he's a busy man). You will see him being fair and responsible with white people, black people, asian people, you name it.

However, I can't resist puncturing your hot air balloon a bit with these thoughts.

1-You keep saying the thread will die only when the "right wingers" stop responding. Ever stop to think that maybe a quicker way of getting the thread to die is for you to stop constantly repeating yourself?

2-You keep bandying the term "racist" about with a peculiar reckless abandon, yet your remarks about intelligent black conservatives like Clarence Thomas and Larry Elder (and I would add the names of Thomas Sowell, J.C. Watts, Walter Williams and Armstrong Williams to that list), who know a lot more about the meaning of racism then you ever will, reveal that the only racist in this forum is you, since you arrogantly demand that African-Americans must toe the left wing line only, thus putting you on the same plane as the slavemasters whipping everyone into line, or else suffer the consequence of being called "Uncle Tom" or "KKK member." Evidently freedom of speech and expression does not extend to African-Americans in your mind to be broadly represented with respect on all sides of the political spectrum in this country. Your desire to pigeonhole all blacks as leftwingers is no different than the racist who thinks things like "Jews make great lawyers" etc.

3-Now, you're suddenly demanding that the moderator of this forum cater to your demand to censor those who choose to respond to your diatribes, and give you alone the pampered, spoiled brat privilege of saying anything you want without any further challenge or response from anyone who has more intelligent things to say in response to your emptyheaded diatribes. Indeed, that is the common denominator in all your posts, Thade, that of a spoiled brat who wants everything done his way only or else "I'll call on boycotts and protests etc. etc. etc."

as for you jjh:

1. you did that and you admitted intellecutal cheat is not a retort Its a factual description

2. AH HA! Clarence Thomas DID benefit from affirmative action and welfare and all sorts of handouts he is now destroying, he like most right wingers is a HYPOCRITE.

Ironically, given his meagre intellectual skills and less then stellar record HE WAS ONLY put on the court BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK that was the only reason he made it.
Ha Ha Ha

3.Wrong about liberals they dont silence people etc etc it's most right wingers who silence people and who squash the rights and protections we have ... look at FSM for example. No liberal has attacked free speech sorry or other freedoms unlike the right wing.
Look who has done the death threats obscenties name calling at fsm the right wingers. remember joe mccarthy

4. uh you like clarence thomas BLACK PEOPLE DONT they like jesse jackson why dont you decide for them who has hurt them huh?

5. Racist IS NOT A NAME its not name calling its a factual description based on facts what people do or say GET IT?
Dont be racist and then people cant call you racist its like saying you are a man when you are woman GET IT?

6. Cigarettes THEY MADE THEM MORE ADDICTIVE so if you tried them YOU WOULD BE HOOKED AND HAVE TO KEEP SMOKING that is not free will is it

7. Lee Iaccoca and Ford executives knew the pinto would explode and kill people and they did an anylsis of which would be cheaper a recall to make pintos safe OR pay money to injured and dead resluting from release of pinto

they saw it would be cheaper to pay the lawsuits and released pinto to maim and kill

8. the drug companies are altering tests to get drugs approved that was in the paper today

9. if the LEADERS and OWNERS of the society lack responsibility why shouldnt the poor victims as well

ERIC AT LEAST THESE GUYS ARE RESPONDING TO WHAT I AM SAYING

YOU ARE DOING THE TYPICAL ERIC THING AND MAKING UP STUFF I NEVER SAID

I NEVER SAID FOR ANYONE TO BE BANNED
I NEVER SAID BLACKS WERE LEFT WINGERS

ERIC YOU ARE INSANE GO AND DEBATE WITH YOURSELF

DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH STOP STALKING ME

ERIC STOP STALKING ME AND MAKING UP STUFF I NEVER SAID

ERIC JJH AND PETER K ARE NOT THAT BRIGHT BUT THEY DONT NEED HELP FROM A NIT WIT LIKE YOU