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    Topic:   tech help - recording LPs

     soundtrackman
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    If there are any tech guru's out there, I can sure use some help. I'm trying to record some of my older LPs onto "wav" files in order to make CD's and I cannot get sufficient volume using the "line in" on my sound card.

    details: I have Pentium II PC, a Soundblaster Live Value sound card, running with Windows 98 and my wav editor is Cool Edit. I can record from CD's (playing on the internal CD drive) just fine. But when I run patch cords from the "line out" of my receiver to the "line in" on the sound card, I can get an audible, but very low volume signal, even with the Soundblaster mixer volume set all the way up (I'm certain the mixer settings are correct). The Windows record volume control is also all the way up and the Soundblaster is the "prefered" device for recording. I have two, probably dumb questions:

    (1) do I need ANOTHER amplifier between my receiver and the PC to boost the signal?

    (2) is there supposed to be a "line input device driver" associated with the sound card? I've noticed I have one on my PC at work, under "Control Panel / Multimedia / Devices" but there's none on the home PC

    I'm clearly out of my depth with this problem, but any help from those of you have have successfully mastered this process would sure be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Mark T.

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    posted 09-05-2001 05:30 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Are you sure you connected the cable to the "line in" and not the "mic in"?

    For most devices, you wouldn't need a separate amplifier at all, since to my knowledge, "line out/in" has a standardized "volume". Because most LP players don't have an integrated amp though, and the "original volume" of LPs is very low, you do need an amp in this case - but one amp, as you described, should certainly be enough!

    So, I don't see what's wrong, either. Just a few more tips for when it's working:

    1) Make sure the "line in" is the only input selected for recording (BTW, did you adjust the mixer settings for recording, or just those for playback!?)

    2) Depending on the quality of your receiver, the sound quality will diminish at least a bit. If your receiver is rather hissy, it might be a good idea to get a separate pre-amplifier; there are special pre-amps for connecting LP players directly to your soundcard.

    3) Don't expect too much of the sound quality. Soundblaster cards use cheap A/D-converters, and you can hear it. I once tried to record an LP to CD using my old AWE64 soundblaster, but the result sounded horrible (even my mother could hear that). But it was a cheap amp at that time, too, so with a good amp, the quality should probably be ok.

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    posted 09-05-2001 06:13 AM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    You shouldn't need another amplifier between the PC and the receiver. In fact, my Sound Blaster PCI128 records fine directly from a cassette deck or VCR.

    All I can think of is that the line record volume is set low or isn't selected. For my SB PCI128, I have to choose the input device from the recording control in the Windows mixer. It's the little checkbox below each input volume control labeled "select."

    The "line input device driver" sounds like something for a (cheap) onboard audio system. The SB Live driver should handle line input by itself.

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    posted 09-05-2001 06:25 AM PT (US)     

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    OK, so while I was pondering my response, Marian had already gotten to the point.

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    posted 09-05-2001 06:27 AM PT (US)     

     soundtrackman
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    thanks,guys. However, I am certain the "line in" is connected to the proper jack. In fact, the "microphone" jack works fine, and I have recorded with it, but of course it's in mono only. And, Marian, I've recorded some older mono LPs with excellent results, so I'd have to say I'm happy with the quality of the Soundblaster in that regard. I have also verified that all the mixer settings are correct, and that I am using the "record" volume controls. I'm telling you, this has driven me crazy for a long time, and I simply can't figure out what's wrong.

    I should mention I had the same problem with the LAST sound card, so I think it's a Windows problem, but that REALLY confuses me. Where's Bill Gates when you need him?

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    posted 09-05-2001 06:35 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by soundtrackman:
    Where's Bill Gates when you need him?

    Inventing the bugs for the next version.

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    posted 09-05-2001 07:21 AM PT (US)     

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    Here is something else to try that worked for me when I had my older sound card:

    Try setting the Line OUTPUT of your soundcard to minimum and see if this boosts your volume. Of course, you can't set it TOO low because then you can't monitor it thru your PC speakers. If that doesn't help, then it must have only worked on my sound card, a generic Yamaha OPL-SA.

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    posted 09-05-2001 03:39 PM PT (US)     
     

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