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Spicy Ramen
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The only one that I know of was the Metallica S&M cd with Micheal Kamen conducting. That stuff was awesome. Was Metallica the only band that experimented with this fusion? Interested to know if others have done it.NP: Gorillaz - funky hiphop rock fusion (this ain't no Limp Bizkit for all you kiddies out there)
posted 09-04-2001 07:09 PM PT (US) Dana Wilcox
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The Moody Blues took a very cinematic approach to their late 60's concept album, "Days of Future Passed". It combined (or rather, surrounded) a set of songs with a lush dramatic score performed by a full symphony orchestra, and was, as far as I can tell, the very first instance of such collaboration in the history of rock music.As to Gorillaz -- my 14-year-old son turned me onto them, and I was very pleased to see that he had moved past the Limp Bizkit style obscenity/loud noise/self-indulgence to something clever and substantial, highly original and musically solid. This is an impressively talented group.
posted 09-04-2001 08:14 PM PT (US) ManOfSorrows
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There was another band called "Rage" back in 1996 who did this.And since that experiment they have had orchestra with on all their albums 'cause they liked it so much.
The first album they did with an orchestra in 1996 is called "Lingua Mortis" and there they play with "Symphonic Orchestra Prague".
The thing about this CD is that the mixing sucks
It could have been soooo much better if they had someone who was better at producing and mixing.
But it's still good. Some off the tracks are just the orchestra playing (the music is still written by Rage though), and some Rage + orchestra. I could make you some mp3 samples.
[Message edited by ManOfSorrows on 09-05-2001]
posted 09-05-2001 04:33 AM PT (US) Spicy Ramen
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quote:
Originally posted by ManOfSorrows:
There was another band called "Rage" back in 1996 who did this.And since that experiment they have had orchestra with on all their albums 'cause they liked it so much.
The first album they did with an orchestra in 1996 is called "Lingua Mortis" and there they play with "Symphonic Orchestra Prague".
The thing about this CD is that the mixing sucks It could have been soooo much better if they had someone who was better at producing and mixing.
But it's still good. Some off the tracks are just the orchestra playing (the music is still written by Rage though), and some Rage + orchestra. I could make you some mp3 samples.[Message edited by ManOfSorrows on 09-05-2001]
Well I guess the reason why so few artists have tried this is that having a orchestra is very expensive. It takes loads of money to rehearse with them and the musicians(the violonist, percussionist,....) are entitled to royalty from the sales of the album. It's not that profitable from the artists prospective.
posted 09-05-2001 08:51 AM PT (US) majestyx
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If you mean taking a film score composer and marrying him up with a rock band, then yes it has happened before. In fact, Kamen has worked many times with the likes of Queen (A Kind of Magic album and the Highlander film), Guns n' Roses (November Rain) and of course, Eric Clapton.In addition, a number of film score composers were in rock bands (I use that as a generic term) prior to film composing, and have had varying degrees of success and failure. Graeme Revell, Patrick O'Hearn, James Newton Howard, Colin Towns, Jay Ferguson and even Bon Jovi's David Bryan were all in rock bands prior to writing music for film. There are plenty more I could mention but this will do.However, it only seems to work going from rock to scoring than the other way around. I can't think of many (any?) primarily film score composers who have joined or formed rock bands!
As far as a fusion of "movie score" type music or, more close to reality, classical music, this has been going on for many years and is still happening, especially in the world of progressive rock/metal. Current bands such as Labyrinth and Tobias Sammett's (of the band Edguy) Avantasia meld classical styled music and instruments with heavy metal guitar riffs with surprisingly tasteful results. Speed metal guitar god Yngwie Johann Malmsteen has always credited classical composers as his main inspiration in writing music and has released his own classical compositions.
A classic case though would be the Beatles, a band that became something completely different from what it was when they first were formed. Their compositions became so complex and so studio intensive that they could no longer tour during the second half of their career (1966-1970) since you can't really take a 40-piece orchestra on the road for nightly concerts. In fact, this was seen as a big force in breaking the band up. McCartney was the studio perfectionist while Lennon was "let's just rock'n'roll," not to mention ever diminishing roles for Ringo and George.
And as for hip-hop rock fusion, Spicy Ramen, I recommend Stuck Mojo.
posted 09-05-2001 11:23 AM PT (US) HadrianD
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E.S. Posthummus: Unearthed. It's a mixture of everything. My fave of the year
posted 09-05-2001 11:53 AM PT (US) Stephen Lister
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Hadrian, I second that. I bought it on the strength of the Planet of the Apes trailer, but actually that's now my least favourite track on the CD. I've played this album to death. Definitely the best "blind" purchase I've made in ages. And surely it's only a matter of time before someone offers these guys a scoring assignment.
posted 09-05-2001 01:12 PM PT (US) Spicy Ramen
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quote:
Originally posted by majestyx:
And as for hip-hop rock fusion, Spicy Ramen, I recommend Stuck Mojo.Cool, I'll look into finding some of their songs.
posted 09-05-2001 05:32 PM PT (US) HadrianD
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quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Lister:
Hadrian, I second that. I bought it on the strength of the Planet of the Apes trailer, but actually that's now my least favourite track on the CD. I've played this album to death. Definitely the best "blind" purchase I've made in ages. And surely it's only a matter of time before someone offers these guys a scoring assignment.Oh I didn't mean "Unearthed" the track, but was refering to the CD title. I like every track on the CD.
Also, Harry Gregson-Williams is joining up with Peter DiStefano to become Rambient with their newest CD, So Many Worlds, coming out Sept 25th. I'll have it on order soon. Should be very interesting and cool to listen to while driving
posted 09-05-2001 08:10 PM PT (US) Maestro Sartori
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Back in 1991, for MTV's Ten Year Anniversary bash, Aerosmith performed "Dream On" with Michael Kamen conducting a full orchestra behind them. The track was the one included on the song-only album from "Last Action Hero". Before that, Queensryche did "Silent Lucidity", also backed up by Kamen. Pink Floyd employed Kamen for use on "The Wall" and "The Final Cut".A note on Guns 'N Roses track, "November Rain". Axl performed all the symphonic sounds on synth.
posted 09-06-2001 07:21 AM PT (US) James
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Originally posted by Maestro Sartori:
Pink Floyd employed Kamen for use on "The Wall" and "The Final Cut".And "The Division Bell".
posted 09-06-2001 10:05 AM PT (US) majestyx
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quote:
Originally posted by Maestro Sartori:
A note on Guns 'N Roses track, "November Rain". Axl performed all the symphonic sounds on synth.Yes, you are correct. I was remembering a "similar to Aerosmith" live performance on MTV or at an awards ceremony where Kamen was conducting an orchestra for the song.
posted 09-06-2001 10:48 AM PT (US) James
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Even though I'm normally not a fan of their music, I'd also like to mention the beautiful Smashing Pumpkins song "Tonight, Tonight." I don't know who is responsible for the orchestral arrangements on that one, but I think it's wonderful.James
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